PLASTIC BAGS and our WATER WORLD

[Maxim Projet]

Originally Posted by lazeyjack

i,m listening, I think he makes a lot of sense
Much, I would,nt believe a word wriiten by that woman from the reef
I have never seen or heard of a dolphin doing himself in by eating a bag, too smart

Hello lazeyjack!

Don Burke (of Burke's Backyard fame) and an environmental scientist (can't recall his name) did a survey of all reported cases of dolphins choking on plastic. It was about 10 worldwide over the last 10 years and "about" three in the last few years. I used "About" because not all cases were autopsied, and it wasn't clear that the plastic was indeed the cause of death in all cases.

Burke's take on recycling has also really irritated some green groups in Australia. In short, his argument revolves around the total energy costs of recycling. Carting plastic and glass to recycling depots, and then to the process plants, and then to places that actually use the recycled produce, is only beneficial if there is an energy saving at the end.

If heavy glass has to be transported over great distances by diesel-burning trucks (eg Mt Isa to Brisbane), the benefits might not be as great as first imagined. On the other hand, taking old beer bottles straight back to the brewery might be useful; similarly if you can get Coke bottles back to the bottler direct.

The ultimate benefit of recycling plastic is even trickier to calculate. Especially if it is put on ships that take the stuff to India.

[Maxim Projet]

Originally Posted by longliner45

Im real sorry for you ,your probably an ok dude ,,,,,but get some help...longliner

No help needed. I can handle your illiterate bullcrap without assistance.

[lazeyjack]

True, in germany where I spend an awful lot of time, you pay for the crate and the bottle, you then get the refund when you take the bottles back ,
That way the beaches, roadsides are free of crap
I would like to see a totel ban on plastic packaging, just for aesthetic reasons alone
Anyways I am sure the Japs, and other Asians slaughter more dolphins than plastic bags do, by a factor of a million to one
i know this post makes no sense at all,wanders all over, but my mind is elsewhere

[bntii]

Ok- So I'll jump in with out even reading the thread

Trash often = habitat in the marine world

that said I don't really want to see all this crap floating around in mid ocean even if the little fishes are having a party hanging out in it.

[the1much]

Don Burke is an idiot,,,,,he's just like the extreme greenies, just the oposite side of the coin,,,,,how come noone is saying anything about the E.P.A. study?,, see i knew everyone would say crap about the "reef woman" so thats why the epa site is next.....they did their own study,,,,,so are they a bunch of greenies lying bout what they SAW and RECORDED? they say THEY have witnessed 17 dolphin deaths by TRASH BAGS.,,,,who's doing the studies your quoting numbers from? donny? hahaha ,,,,well guys,,,unlike your "significant others" denying what we're all doing isnt gonna make it go away.and all you want to keep it on plastic BAGS,,,,well lets go all plastics,,,,only "about 3 " deaths then?,,,,,haha that 3 number is funny,,,,cause old donny could only find 3 dolphins,,,,,,or does he get his numbers from a satalite? does anyone facter in ( and yes it can be mathematically done) deaths not found,,or found by fishermen and just chucked overboard?,,,,its funny ya all say that greenies go overboard,,,old donny is about as simple as most of the idiot extreme greenies,,,,,,,,,why dont ya quote some REAL scientific studies?,,,,that EPA is full of em,,,,,,with REAL numbers,,,,,and the reef womans stuff i quoted,,, comes from SEA WORLD web site,,,,,,,their probably green idiots too huh?

[longliner45]

ouch ,,,,got dinged for a personal attack on max,,,thought I was the one being attact .no skin off my ass , ,what the fact is I always sign my name to negative points,,ask lazy...or anyone else.

[masalai]

I agree Longie, - - - It is not the points but the feeling someone who lacks any intestinal fortitude to type in a logical reason for the "displeasure" and to put their name/avatar to it.... - - Sadly this cretinous behaviour is becoming all to frequent....

That is why I have been advocating for the removal of the capacity to give NEGATIVE POINTS and promote the concept of posting in "open forum" any expressions of displeasure and request an edit of that part which seems to attract "offence", - - less rules to encourage better behaviour...

[longliner45]

yea massi ,its really not the point thing ,I really dont give it much stock ,some guys like gilly and lazy and many others par ect ect put much knowledge into my hands,and others ,,the point system failed to recognize their deeds,but I am a man of my word,I strive for that ,and have always steped up and said how I feel ,thats why I used lazy for and example ,we had our differacnes and sorted them out ,.but I always atleast let him or anyone else know were Im coming from,but what I cant see is ,someone giving me negative points ,when I didnt attack max,,he came from left field ,not knowing anything about me ,and gave me a ration of ****....go figure

[masalai]

A sad situation that I feel could be stamped out if we could persuade Jeff, and if it was possible to implement. another way would be to internally identify all those who post favourably or against. at least it would inhibit some who seem to have difficulty in anger management, honesty, and effective communication skills.... This net is remarkably free and open, with good participant tolerance and understanding, just spoiled by a few....

When I get frustrated, I seem to loose effective communication skills without resorting to "less acceptable adjectives" and very colourful descriptions - but none of the words are excluded from most modern dictionaries....?

[longliner45]

yea massi ,,I am finally allowed to have customer contact again ,,after only 2yrs

[the1much]

hahahaa longerz,,,,,when i was managing the bigass warehouse for family dollar,, we had a truckers lounge that had a window between me and the truckers,,,,1 of em got mouthy 1 night,,, said,,"its a good thing you got that window protecting ya",,,i got up walked out of the office ( this warehouse was 4 city blocks big) ,,the dispatch jus shook her head,,,,trucker said "what?" ,,,she said,,," dumb@ss,, that there to protect YOU",, just as i walked through the "truckers entrance",,hehe

[Frosty]

Absalutely --it is the inability to question the deductor as to Why.

Some deduct because they dont agree,--hey thats not a deductable reason.

Rudness is considered a deductable reason but isnt anonimous deducting rude?

Im not quite sure what the points say anyway. Does a man with lots of points strike you as being mannered then? intelligent perhaps? or just writes well? helpfull? ----- Does it matter.

[masalai]

Nup, - - - but when "pontificating", it helps the argument to sound authoritative and articulate... Hopefully it also lulls the phantom poster into a sense of false security.....? by ducking and hiding for a while?

Hopefully, it is simple to disable the "negative points" and to ensure the poster is identified as is done in normal posts... Or make the negative points apply to the poster who will wonder who is "cross with him"

I try to offer a solution to issues and problems that confront me

[Frosty]

I think there may be a few names that when posting Jeff just sigh's and lets them get on with it.

I strongly suspect that I may be one of them.

[longliner45]

no frosty,,,,,,when you post ,,jeff just take another pill ,,longliner