The perfect Passagemaker IV, Equipment

A bit meager the poll, just 15 voters only.

But interesting to see, that we have only one here who needs a sternthruster. But 11 vote for having a bus system installed. As interesting that just 6 need AC in all quarters but 7 are fine with less.

More voters?

[srimes]

Many times people won't vote because they either don't know or don't care. And I think that's usually a good thing so they don't dilute the votes of those who have formed stronger opinions (just look at efforts like MTV's "Rock the Vote" and what that's got us).

Seeing how popular these "Perfect Passagemaker" threads are, I'm guessing that many don't know enough to make a choice. Like me. Now, hold up more boat pictures and I can point to the one that makes me go "OOOO, Pretty!" like the 1st poll .

Originally Posted by srimes

Many times people won't vote because they either don't know or don't care. And I think that's usually a good thing so they don't dilute the votes of those who have formed stronger opinions (just look at efforts like MTV's "Rock the Vote" and what that's got us).
Seeing how popular these "Perfect Passagemaker" threads are, I'm guessing that many don't know enough to make a choice. Like me. Now, hold up more boat pictures and I can point to the one that makes me go "OOOO, Pretty!" like the 1st poll .

Good point, though I have no clue about MTV´s polls, I don´t waste my time with TV.

But posting fancy pictures of the equipment might be not the solution too.?



the Navnet 3D control panel.
http://www.furunousa.com/products/pr...ction+Displays

[mydauphin]

A lot depends on the type of cruising people do. I person who does not dock a lot, may not need a stern thruster. A person in the tropics like me needs a AC in every room because I will faint if I have to work in engine room in 95 degree weather. I don't need a heater much, only may be 2 weeks out of year in bathroom. Haven't had a water heater so far this year, will need one in December. So everything is relative to type of crusing and location.

[Landlubber]

...yes, and no...the "perfect" passagemaker would have those pieces of gear on board for when it is making passage in areas that require that sort of gear....

[Brian@BNE]

Ok, I took the prod and voted. Hope I don't distort expert opinions

I think most items are straightforward for a pragmatic cruiser. Those wanting all the bling but weekend/occasional week aboard only, gin-palaces and other look-how-rich-I-am boats, are a completely different market segment anyway.

Originally Posted by Brian@BNE

Ok, I took the prod and voted. Hope I don't distort expert opinions
I think most items are straightforward for a pragmatic cruiser. Those wanting all the bling but weekend/occasional week aboard only, gin-palaces and other look-how-rich-I-am boats, are a completely different market segment anyway.

Brian,
you are aware of these specifications?

The perfect Passagemaker? (style within this genre)

[Brian@BNE]

Richard, yes I've followed all the threads with great interest. I might have expressed myself poorly above. What I am trying to say is that commercial vessel specs are about right, a few extra luxuries are OK, but some things are not really needed and might just be extra maintenance in the long run.

So, integrated bridge system not needed. Shouting in port is for the great unwashed masses. Aircon in sleeping areas only - anyone who lives in the tropics would say this. Lukewarm beer is only for the Brits. Paravanes work. Seamanship instead of sternthruster.

I've saved your trawler spec list. Now I'm onto saving pennies to be able to ante up.

Love the threads. I'd desperately like to think your 20m lower limit for a serious passagemaker could be squeezed down to 17m - for Tad's PML 56. But I keep looking at that GA for it and thinking I'd like more... So its getting to the point of 'like' versus 'need', with budget probably going to rule anyway.

Originally Posted by Brian@BNE

Love the threads. I'd desperately like to think your 20m lower limit for a serious passagemaker could be squeezed down to 17m - for Tad's PML 56. But I keep looking at that GA for it and thinking I'd like more... So its getting to the point of 'like' versus 'need', with budget probably going to rule anyway.

Thanks Brian,

the last 3m I would say are not the drama. I said it often enough, empty hull costs nothing. The trouble is, that all boaters start to think about the next gimmick they could install in these additional spaces. Just skimp on that, and you have the speed, the economy, the better behaviour, all for very few pennies.
And I said on another thread, a decent 20m boat with room like a 14 -15m craft could be done at about half to 60% of the Trawler I mentioned above.
Of course with several items less.

Regards
Richard

[Brian@BNE]

I think I'll have to forget the passagemaking, and use available space for the must-have stuff, plus the odd gimmick, and forgo some range. Having a 'coastal cruiser' will be fine most of the time, and island hopping slower speed cruise will still get to a lot of places anyway.

[Ad Hoc]

What about an EPRIB...liferaft etc.??

Or too obvious?

Originally Posted by Ad Hoc

What about an EPRIB...liferaft etc.??

Or too obvious?

Much too

but specified here:

The perfect Passagemaker? (style within this genre)

two each!

[dskira]

Originally Posted by apex1

Much too

but specified here:

The perfect Passagemaker? (style within this genre)

two each!

Also it will be a great help to have a hawse pipe on the stern with an anchor ready to be used.
The windlass which can be smaller than the fore one, can be hidden under a grating.
The passerelle can be used mediterranean fashion the crew boarding on top of the grating. Of course I will use this system only on a double ended style.

A boarding ladder also in the side, with a door in the bulwark.
Daniel

[mydauphin]

Originally Posted by dskira

Also it will be a great help to have a hawse pipe on the stern with an anchor ready to be used.
The windlass which can be smaller than the fore one, can be hidden under a grating.
The passerelle can be used mediterranean fashion the crew boarding on top of the grating. Of course I will use this system only on a double ended style.

A boarding ladder also in the side, with a door in the bulwark.
Daniel

Excellent points - I can't believe this is not standard equipment in most larger boats.

Originally Posted by dskira

Also it will be a great help to have a hawse pipe on the stern with an anchor ready to be used.
The windlass which can be smaller than the fore one, can be hidden under a grating.
The passerelle can be used mediterranean fashion the crew boarding on top of the grating. Of course I will use this system only on a double ended style.

A boarding ladder also in the side, with a door in the bulwark.
Daniel

Both standard Daniel! I specified the stern anchor and the hydraulic passerelle in the post linked above! And the stern windlass is a vertical capstan type, which can be used for mooring (docking) also. That is a great help when docking stern to, as it is common in most marinas.
The boarding ladder/platform is planned on both sides. If there is only one (as it was the case on one of my own boats), you have difficulties boarding the tender when moored with the ladder towards the pier.

Regards
Richard