Parachute Anchors, Para-Anchor, Sea Anchor

[brian eiland]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

.."The time to get into a life raft, is when your right foot is already wet, and you have to step up into the raft with your left."
Could it be applied to this case?

Well it certainly doesn't look as though the boat was sinking or sank. So abandoning an unballasted vessel (no lead weight) for a flimsy liferaft should take on a new definition, possibly??

[brian eiland]

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this might be useful info for para-anchore systems

[Frosty]

Para anchors are usable only once. I thought about this after someone explained this to me.

You get into a storm, you get the anchor out in 30kts across the deck, you manage to get it in.

You have a reasonably good night and it increases to 50KTS.

It then drop next day to 20kts! Ok so far?

You decide to get on your way, how can you drag in a para anchor when your pulling at it. You have 100x LOA and a para anchor with tons of water.

You would have to wait till it was calm to do this with man and wife.
So to get on your way you cut it loose.

[brian eiland]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Para anchors are usable only once

Trip Line:
Used to help in deflation and recovery of the para-anchor. Trip lines vary in length from 50 to 100 feet on typical vessels, and up to 1,000 feet for those with deep drafts and high freeboards.

Retrieval Float:
The last float marking the tail end of the Trip Line. The Benefit: High degree of visibility allows a skipper to easily motor toward the retrieval float to capture the trip line. Large enough to prevent the para-anchor from sinking too deep under the water when anchor rode is slack

Maybe go read a few websites:
http://www.paraanchor.com/info.rigsystem.html

http://www.paraanchors.com.au/page6.htm

http://www.para-anchor.com/news.bluewater.html

http://creativemarine.com/newprodct/...h/paratech.htm

[Frosty]

Yes a trip line but its still reall rough but you have decided to be on your way expecting it to improve. You would need a 100 x loa trip line too then!! and winch it in as the boat is till hard on the chute. Some one needs to drive well and someone needs to haul in and some one needs to stand at the front to see what happening.

You would have to which it in faster that the boat can fall back on it -or drive into it.

As I say not easy on a pitching deck with nausia and a bad nights sleep and after an hour or two its easier to cut it loose.

I dont do links -I don't have speedy connection but Im repeating actuall experiences. I know what its supposed to do and in ten KTS it looks easy by the guy that made it. But when its your first time in lousy conditions it very easy to come to a quick desicion. You can buy another or carry 2.

[Brent Swain]

Beware that some surplus parachutes, altho shiny and loooking like Nylon, are cotton. I tried one and it lasted less than an hour.
Mooring from the bow always results in a sloop shearing around , drastically increasing the loads and chafe on lines. Mooring from a stern quarter is much safer and more comfortable. Using chain for the first couple of feet from the boat eliminates chafe.
You put yourself at much greater risk abandoning ship than you would have staying with her.
Friends in the Queen's Birthday Storm off New Zealand used a galerider of the stern quarter and kept shortening the rode to stop it from fouling the skeg. When they had shortened it to 80 ft it worked far better and needed no further tending. They had no major problems .
Brent

[brian eiland]

Originally Posted by Brent Swain

Beware that some surplus parachutes, altho shiny and loooking like Nylon, are cotton. I tried one and it lasted less than an hour.

Are you sure it was a parachute? I could only think that might have been a WWll product when a shortage of rayon/nylon might have forced the issue. Shouldn't be using ANYTHING this old.

Mooring from the bow always results in a sloop shearing around , drastically increasing the loads and chafe on lines.

Sloops do tend to 'sail around' their bow deployed anchors, as their bare mast CE is ahead of their CLR. But this is usually more of a problem with shoreside anchorage rather than big wind storms at sea.

Most bow deployed sea anchors try to utilize a bridle arrangement to keep the bow headed into the seaway, and chafe with this bridle is certainly a problem. (multiple points)

A ketch, or a yawl, or an aft mounted radar mast might help prevent some 'shearing around'.

[Brent Swain]

Shearing around is just as much a problem when lying to a sea anchor from the bow as lying to an anchor, as the dynamics are the same, as has been pointed out.
Brent

[BLACKIE]

Larry Pardey is a strong advocate of chute anchoring. His book "Storm Tactics" ( I think) tells all. He gave a copy to my son when we met him and Lin at Horta just before they wrong-wayed Cape Horn in ? '02? They are gods.

[BLACKIE]

Me again. Finally found my first post (after reading everyone else's). Larry Pardey used his rig more than once in 70 kts. His trails from the bow, but is hauled back by a line to a cockpit winch with a BIG sheave where it joins the bow line. He lets a bit of bow line out now and again to freshen the nip. The aim is to achieve dead downwind drift with the boat about 45 degrees into the seas. This produces a slick to weather which causes waves to break before reaching the boat. He told me he winched it all in in surges afterwards. (Don't know if he uses trip line or not. They tend to get twisted around the rode.) By the time ur taking it in the line is under far less strain, right Frosty? I wouldn't cut mine away. What's the rush?

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by BLACKIE

What's the rush?

Lee shore, bank, shipping line etc..

[brian eiland]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

Lee shore, bank, shipping line etc..

Its surprising how little drift occurs under sea anchor, unless you are in an area of significant current, in which case you are at the mercy of that current.

[BLACKIE]

It seems a bit of drift is required to produce the slick-- typically less than 2 knots, tho.
TeddyDiver? Those are considerations for sure, but surely there would be an hour or two to recover this expensive piece of equiptment? If not-- well, bad luck. If conditions are so bad and the lee shore so close one will be in for it anyway trying to claw off.

[Stutts]

Wouldn't a sea anchor work well with a cat? The bridle from two hulls would work a lot better in keeping the boat into the wind than a mono-hull.