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Old 04-01-2006, 02:44 PM
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Noah's ark

Well, somebody is building the thing:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4853890.stm

From Mail & Guardian online:

Johan Huibers, from Schagen in the province of North Holland, north of Amsterdam, conceived the idea 13 years ago.

When complete, the ark will be 70m long, 9,5m wide and 12,9m high. It is being constructed in a shed at one of Huibers's businesses.
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Huibers said he bought about 1 200 pine trees to complete the project. All the work is being done on the premises.
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Huibers wants to set up a foundation to run the ark and plans to use the funds raised to build a full-scale version in a couple of years.
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"But then in all its glory: 150m long, 25m wide and 15m high. Precisely as it is written in Genesis," he said, referring to the first book of the Bible.
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Old 04-01-2006, 05:47 PM
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[ "This will speak very much to children, because it will give them something tangible to see that Noah's Ark really existed," Mr Huibers told the Associated Press news agency. ]


Not sure about the logic in that argument, but we need to target the children.......!

It is a pity so much money goes into such projects which prove nothing and are really just a bit of religious tittilation.

Having been involved in one analysis of the theoretical full sized Ark I can say that the design suffers from inherrant weakness in shear strength, all engineering analysis has shown that it would fall apart at sea. A Korean Christian engineering group is quoted by the fundamentalists as supposedly managing to calculate that it could be built using metal strapping, fasteners and some metal framing. Their calculations were never seen by anyone else.

The Ark would of course be just another biblical miracle the project itself would have been on the scale of the pyramids with the materials logistics and the sheer scale of construction, then there's the whole field of biological science to completely disagree with.....

Pity we cant just leave it as an educative allegorical tale and use the money where it would really count. Religious fundamentalism has a nasty taste these days.
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bumble bees are not supposed to be able to fly either.
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Old 04-02-2006, 12:17 AM
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...I can say that the design suffers from inherrant weakness in shear strength, all engineering analysis has shown that it would fall apart at sea....
That's exactly my concern. I've seen some news in the TV about this Ark and by what I could realize by the inside views, it looked more like a wharehouse than a ship. I'm wandering if proper structure calculations have been done in this case, precisely because of the safety of children. Will Dutch authorities allow this ark to go to water and sail, even in the canals? Maybe some of our Dutch friends in these forums knows...
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Old 04-02-2006, 12:22 AM
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Wooden stucture on barge.

Its just a wooden structure on a steel barge. As far as i know the owner has no intentions to cross open water.
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Old 04-02-2006, 12:36 AM
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dont deny or doubt your maker.If god said it will float ,,,,,it will float. (fold under a little pressure gilly ?)
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Old 04-02-2006, 12:52 AM
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Its just a wooden structure on a steel barge...
Thanks. Now I know what we are talking about.
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Old 04-02-2006, 06:37 AM
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bumble bees are not supposed to be able to fly either.
A classic blue; under classic hydrodynamics the theory was that the bumble bee wings couldn't generate enough lift given their size. Modern high speed film showed that the movement was quite different to that supposed and that they could generate enough lift after all. That urban myth was killed off long ago but still seems to have credence in some circles.

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Surely it must meet ISO rules if it's open to the public as a paying venture?
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Old 04-02-2006, 07:14 AM
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http://www.worldwideflood.com/general/ark_history.htm
plus some unorthodocs ideas on arks shape and CB
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Old 04-02-2006, 02:39 PM
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...Surely it must meet ISO rules if it's open to the public as a paying venture?
I do not know how it is in Holland.
In Spain a vessel like this should have the consideration of a passengers' ship, so to be built accordingly to some Classification Society rules and fullfill the SOLAS requirements, as well as some other national norms. As wood is not contemplated as a building material for this size of vessel, he was going to have a real headache to get the design and construction approved. Most probably in Holland happens something similar and so that's why he had to build an ark's looking like superstructure over an existing steel barge.
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I do not know how it is in Holland.
In Spain a vessel like this should have the consideration of a passengers' ship, so to be built accordingly to some Classification Society rules and fullfill the SOLAS requirements, as well as some other national norms. As wood is not contemplated as a building material for this size of vessel, he was going to have a real headache to get the design and construction approved. Most probably in Holland happens something similar and so that's why he had to build an ark's looking like superstructure over an existing steel barge.
Yes, marine safety standards are pretty much similar troughout Europe. We have some big wooden replica's sailing with passengers though, so it must be possible somehow. These boats once made it around Cape Horn and back so I don't see construction problems. Don't know how they meet fire regulations though.

Picture of trader Batavia, the original used to bring spices from Indonesia to Holland. (And rob some Spanish gold on the way )
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:13 AM
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... Don't know how they meet fire regulations though.
I've involved in the recovery and reconstruction of a 30 m long Watersupply steam wooden vessel from 1920. The owner is now carring passengers in short trips in the Galician Rķas. To comply with SOLAS we had to negotiate with the Spansh administration redundant firefighting systems. Complicated, but finally we came to an acceptable agreement.
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:25 AM
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I´m just wondering about the life rafts for elephants
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Old 04-03-2006, 04:46 PM
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That urban myth was killed off long ago but still seems to have credence in some circles.
Not according to recent programming on The Discovery Channel.
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Is it just me, but that thing isn't even scaled down properly!? Look at those dimension!
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