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Old 08-27-2006, 05:30 PM
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Need Chinese Junk Hull Boat Plans

I have been searching for chinese junk hull boat plans and am having little success. The specific plans I am looking for are:

1. under 30 foot length.
2. historically accurate.
3. I am looking for plans that would show if the Chinese used more utilitarian design than the western.

I keep getting the same results regardless of whether I search in google, msn, yahoo, etc.

If there are any resources out there that anyone can send my way, I would be more than appreciative.

You can email me directly at:
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:24 PM
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There some stuff on junk of that size in this thread. I think you need to have a modern hull and use junk rig to be more effecient.

Can Chinese Junk actually circumnavigate?
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Old 08-28-2006, 07:45 AM
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Here are a few sites that might be of use.

I got this one thro Fay Marine's site
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/

I met Paul Fay when he visited Ireland earlier this year, in his very impressive 40' Junk rigged steel schooner that he'd built himself. A bit bigger than your requirements, but if you want to drool ...
http://uk.geocities.com/faymarine@btinternet.com/ti.htm
His main site is www.faymarine.com

He mentioned about a Junk Rig society. They organise events to take people out on trial sailing junk rigs. Don't know any more about them, but you might find it in the above links.
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Old 08-28-2006, 05:52 PM
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ah now paddy what u want a junk when u can have a hooker
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Old 08-28-2006, 09:35 PM
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this site has some links
http://axelnelson.com/skepp/junk.htm

this site has some models and history of use
http://www.tara.bz/index.asp?page=category&id=2
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:47 PM
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I was curious if there were more places for junk plans for boats build in wood. I am trying to plan out my retirement home.

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Old 03-20-2011, 04:40 AM
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Try searching this site or google - Jonque de Plaisance. Not strictly authentic but has a 9m version and up to 16.5m.
Correction - they now have a 26m version.
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Old 03-20-2011, 09:43 AM
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Try searching this site or google - Jonque de Plaisance. Not strictly authentic but has a 9m version and up to 16.5m.
Correction - they now have a 26m version.
Alex:

Thanks!!
I have checked this site. so far they have been my favorite. I was looking at the 12.5 m design. The owner and business manager of the site, Catherine Le Forestier has been very gracious about answering all my questions. Her father Dmitri is the naval architect. She speaks both English and French as do I so she will answer my emails in both as well. :lol
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Old 03-20-2011, 08:01 PM
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You need to specify an era. If not, it is like saying you want a European sailing vessel. They evolved and changed a lot through the centuries.
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Old 03-20-2011, 08:53 PM
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Definitely check out the "Can the Junk Circumnavigate" thread. I just posted a couple links there. One is for a book named "Sail and Sweep." The author worked in China and documented many of the remaining junks and models that were present in museums.

And Gonzo is very correct. It is quite common to call anything with a junk rig on it a sailing junk, but there are big differences between a junk that was designed to primarily sail up and down the large rivers of China, those that traded along the coastal cities, those that were warships, and those that traded with other countries, possibly as far as East Africa. All would be called a Junk.

The book named above is very historical. Another book you may consider is "Chinese Junks and Other Native Craft." You may try searching for the different types of Junks as well. For example, a Sampan is a Junk type boat that is about as utilitarian as they come.

This website explains some of the differences:

http://www1.chinaculture.org/created...tent_69875.htm
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Try the San Francisco National Maritime Museum. One of their curators researched and with a crew of volunteers built the GRACE QUAN, a very authentic Chinese SF bay shrimper, and could possibly point you toward plans and building methods. The book "Hummel Hummel" is quite educational about how well even a small fishing junk can do on long voyages, as its author bought one and crossed the Pacific in the late 1930s. Junk building bears little resemblance to western methods. A traditional junk builder uses his axe for almost everything, is not bothered by gaping seams, edge nails or uses clever iron staples to secure planking, and generally has his own successful ways to build a strong, long-lasting vessel. "Chu-nam", a caulking compound of oil, lime and chopped up fishnets, hardens into a tenacious filler that takes care of the rough seams. Little paint is used, but lots of oil, and some of the old "Big Eye Chickens" were said to be 100 years old in the 1970s. The Foochow pole junk in the first photo is a good example.
Allen Farrell, a British Columbia boat designer and builder, gave us the gorgeous, fast sailing 40 foot CHINA CLOUD, and her plans are available I think. She much resembles the photo of the junk on the beach, on a quite smaller scale. She was edge-fastened strip built on heavy floors, a few bulkheads, and the common Canadian wide, thin bent frames. He built her on the beach, without electricity, in 2 1/2 years. I don't have a photo as I'm on the road on a job but when I get home I'll see what I can find.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:12 AM
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I think that I found what I was looking for.

the skipper of the junk Duma sent me the site jonquedeplaisance.net... I think that I will pursue that one.

Thanks to all!!

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Old 03-21-2011, 09:31 AM
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The JDP boats are an interesting compromise but I would hesitate to call them junks. More like a western hull adapted to junk rig, and nicely done too. Few junks have a keel and most have a hoisting rudder that hangs well below the bottom when sailing.
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:13 AM
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The JDP boats are an interesting compromise but I would hesitate to call them junks. More like a western hull adapted to junk rig, and nicely done too. Few junks have a keel and most have a hoisting rudder that hangs well below the bottom when sailing.
Bataan:

Point well taken. Someone sent me a post regarding the "sand junk" or San chuan.

This is what I am looking for as it will be my retirement home. A junk hull that is capable of circumnavigation. A junk hull that is 12-14 meter in length. And of course, it has to have junk sails. I would prefer wood, but I am comfortable building in metal.

Or. if I can find a junk like I have seen on this forum, a lorcha would be a good second choice more for sentimental reasons and the fact that I do speak Portuguese.

If you all can tell, I am tired of being what Capt. Fatty Goodlander calls, "a dirt dweller."

If anyone can point me in the right direction for some plans or help me noodle out what I am seeking by prompting me to think a bit more, I would be most grateful.

Fernao
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:50 AM
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Fernao,

You may have better luck contacting model makers. There was one that was posting here some months back and here is a link to another:

http://www.tara.bz/index.asp?page=category&id=2

They are scaling down from plans. Examining some of these models would help you. Most junks were built by tradition and eye, not detailed plans.
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