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Old 06-29-2014, 09:21 PM
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Here's my pick, I sailed quite a bit on this one.
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Old 07-08-2014, 06:33 AM
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M/Y Atalanta Amsterdam

This vessel's image was recently posted over on another subject thread
http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/199382-post114.html
Motor Sailers by Philip Rhodes & John Alden-atalanta-amsterdam.jpg

She sure might have made a nice looking motorsailer
http://www.charterworld.com/index.ht...yatalanta-1601

http://www.superyachts.com/motor-yac...9/atalanta.htm

http://www.internationalyachtcharter...ntaamsterdam83
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:45 AM
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I live in Avon Lake Ohio. My home port is Lorainl Ohio , Spitzer Marinas. Gypsy is alive and well and getting better each year as she is refitted here in Lorain Ohio. Was talking with the owner/sister yesterday. Will post pics as soon as I figure out how to on this site. They don't make it easy.
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Old 11-06-2015, 02:42 PM
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Welcome to the forums.

Look forward to seeing the photos. Posting on this site is relatively easy, ...but you may have to wait until you have made X-number of postings, I think?...I don't recall for sure if this is a rule on this forum??

If you go down below the posting text box, you should find a 'manage attachments'. Click on that and choose the images from your computer you want to post. It will add them as attachments at the end of your text message.

Also there is a 'paperclip image' in posting message that will allow you to post images within the text you are submitting, and at full size.

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Old 01-22-2016, 12:24 PM
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Hello all good to see this thread is still alive and well. I'm sure we all have our opinions of what a good motor sailor should be and dependent of each persons needs, if they were to find it, that would be the best motor sailor for that individual. That said, permit me to share my perfect motor sailor wit you all.

Pedigree:
I'll start with what I didn't know until well after I had purchased her. Stella Maris (current name) was built way back in 1075 for Neil Tillotson; the then owner of John Alden Yacht's. Once the lines were put to paper the hull was built at another Tilitoson business called Pearson, yes Pearson became TPI inc., the T. in TPI is for Tillitson. Finally there had to be one more acquisition to complete this very unique vessel so of course Tillitson went for Hodgdon Brothers in Bothbay Maine. Yes, it's true, H.B. became a business of Tillitoson's for a number of years and was acquired to perform all the interior craftsmanship (and what craftsmanship it was) on Mr. T's Yacht then named Explorer. "WOW" came to mind every time I ran into another bit of information regarding Stella's design and build.

Biased opinions:
Born and raised in Miami, back in 64, and currently toting a 100 ton Master Captains license I can tell you I have owned more than 16 boats and operated more than I can count. With this understanding, I've come to see that a true motor sailor (like the newer modern versions) need sail as well as motor and do each as efficiently without compromising the other. So, Stella falls in the, "they almost got it right" for a 1975 design. Forgetting about the motoring because the 250 Hp Cat moves her along at 7 knots at 1000 rpm... (when the bottom is clean...lol). Have a need to enter a outgoing channel that rips at 5 knots.... no worries you can still make speed over ground at 7 knots (top end 12) by throttling up. Furthermore, if you are savvy about prop walking her in turns as I am you can manage her in tighter quarter's than most would even dare to try and you even have a newly installed Bow thruster as insurance.

Returning to the sail aspect, she has a nice sail plan for a motor sailor, albeit it is a short aspect rig; great for the none opening 56ft height bridge around my parts. None the less she will point to wind at just under 43 degrees when you trim her proper, sadly she will crab along due to her shallow draft full length keel while doing so. Fall off to anything more the 48 degrees and she's a joy to sail a bit more and she actually will start to leave other sailboats behind; especially in heavier winds. Don't believe me, well I have raced her in regattas and done well and coming up Feb 10th I'll be racing in the Miami to Cuba regatta... Imagine that a MS in a regatta...lol. Let them go hardcore wet, beat up and tired... I'll go remote control, carpeted, warm, dry and rested; if I get a third or better in class all the better.


Cons:
Yes every boat has them, and Stella has them, if your doesn't you don't use it or will find them when you really start to use it. Stella first of all is TOOOOO large. Everything about her is exponentially costly, which you all understand, enough said. Stella's LOA is 68ft, although the draft plans denote 61.5ft as I think they use the LOD? Her beam, no issue, but informative is 16 ft and she weigh's in at a hefty 88000 lbs. She is built for longer distance blue water passages, which I used to do, but no longer applies so, she has outgrown that need as well.

Ill chime in later as I do like this posting; Motor-sailors are the wave of the future since the mid 80's, just taking every one too long to transition.
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Old 01-22-2016, 01:28 PM
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Welcome back Capgil.

I went back to a few of your earlier postings and found that you had a website with lots of photos, so I thought I might make a link to your site.
http://www.stellamarischarters.com/

...like that clipper bow
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Old 01-22-2016, 02:25 PM
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Thanks Brian, I'm a great sailor, terrible compotor man....lol. Didn't think about a link.. Glad to be back. The restoration pages on that charter site are quite interesting for anyone interested in some what not to do's... smile. As for chartering, never did that, couldn't get myself to have a bunch of strangers sticking gum or cigarette butt in places I would find later.

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Hello Brian,

I have admired what my wife disrespectfully refers to as the 'green boat' based in Italy for many years. The penny has finally dropped.... is she a Virginia Reel 44? Seven steel yachts were made however this one is of mahogany by a boatyard near Genoa in 1964. She has twin engines (recent 100hp each) and a raised foredeck. Massive cockpit behind the open wheelhouse all at the same deck level without a game fishing lower cockpit right aft. I'm quietly confident she's a previously unpublicised sister?

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Old 05-26-2016, 10:27 AM
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After Arthur Stoner had used Virginia Reel for about four years, he decided he wanted a larger version of the boat. Phil Rhodes and his organization drafted plans for an offshore fishing cruiser that measured 65 feet 1 inch overall, 59 feet on the waterline, with a beam of 17 feet 2 1/2 inches and a draft of 5 feet. In many respects this boat, also named Virginia Reel, was similar to the 44-footer, except she was larger, roomier, and more comfortable. This satisfied Stoner’s request that the new boat be as close as possible to the first one in every way except size. She was built of steel by the Amsterdam shipyard G. DeVriesLentsch, and was launched in 1960.

The main difference between this boat and her predecessor is that she has an elaborate pilothouse, the deckhouse is much roomier and has a U-shaped galley (better for offshore work), and there is another stateroom and another head. A nice feature is the sliding partition between the off-center guest stateroom and the passageway, which allows a large, open cabin when there are no guests aboard but provides privacy when the stateroom is occupied. The heads are arranged so that no guest or crew need ever use the owner’s head, and even the W.C. in the fo’c’s’le is enclosed.

She, too, has a fishing cockpit aft with fighting chairs and a sunken bait box, but unlike her smaller sister, she has a curved taffrail in way of each chair to provide a good foot brace for fighting the big ones. She has a hinged transom door for boating fish, and it folds down in a manner that forms a step and lower platform that is also handy for swimming and dinghy boarding. (Incidentally, there are davits for ward that can handle a Boston Whaler.) Her functionalism for fishing is capped off by her spreader mounted lookout stations, from which fish can be spotted.

The second Virginia Reel is not as good a sailer as is the first, and she probably could be considered to be a powerboat with steadying sails. But even so, her longer waterline and greater sail area (887 square feet) make her faster than her little sister on a broad reach in fresh winds. In conjunction with bilge keels, her sails have an excellent steadying effect on the boat’s motion.

A fair amount of efficiency in the sail plan is traded off for ease of handling. The mainsail is boomless so that it need not be manhandled when taking it in. The original plans show that the main was brailed to the mast, but later it was set on a roller-furling drum mounted a couple of feet abaft the mast. This leaves a wide gap between the luff and mast, but it helps assure that the sail will not bang against the spar when it is furled. The jib likewise is roller furled.

Arthur Stoner evidently was pleased with both of his Virginia Reels, especially the larger version. Some of his comments to Phil Rhodes about the latter include: “A wonderful boat — superb at sea. Everyone comments about the spaciousness. . . and comfort. They all say it is the last word in an offshore fishing boat. This is practically perfection.”

I just found a better image of the layout plan for the larger Virginia Reel design.
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Old 05-26-2016, 10:30 AM
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Hello Brian,

I have admired what my wife disrespectfully refers to as the 'green boat' based in Italy for many years. The penny has finally dropped.... is she a Virginia Reel 44?
Richard
She is not the 44,...more likely a version of the 65.
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I think that almost every "sailboat" manufactured in the last four decades is a motorsailor. They reach the same or more speed under power than under sail.
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Old 05-26-2016, 10:49 AM
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She is not the 44,...more likely a version of the 65.
That's no 65', appears to be the 44' with a hard dodger added. As an additional note Richard (Dick) O. Davis was the designer who created the Virginia Reels, as well as other "Rhodes" motorsailers, the 64' La Belle Sole, 98' Fei Seen, and the 122' Sea Star are Davis projects. Davis also designed all the "William Hand" motorsailers.
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Hi Tad, Sea Star (oringinally built for Laurance Rockefeller in 1966) renamed Sea Joy and based in Greece. There are very few photos, this is the only (dated) reference I could find; http://astro.temple.edu/~bstavis/pr/sea-star.htm

Brian, the Italian VR is 44' not 65'. The distinctive bow profile, raised fore deck, superstructure and even hull ports are too similar to be a coincidence. I'm more surprised that a wooden version seems to have been built under the radar of historians as even Mystic Seaport only seem to be aware of the seven steel versions.

I roughly calculated her mast to be 40' off the deck which limits her sailing ability, in fact the owner didn't even have for's'l, using her as a motor cruiser - the boom was tied down on the wheelhouse top.

I considered buying her in 2012 but as good as she is a compromise between sail and power, that is also her weakness, she has the running expenses of 2x 100hp diesels and the compromised accommodation of a 1954 designed yacht... try explaining that to your wife who seems to think we can afford an Oyster!

Is Virginia Reel 65' still active?
Edit: to answer my own question, in March 2014 she was reported in La Paz, Baja with a retired couple living on board.

I took the below pictures of the VR44 back in 2012:
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Old 05-27-2016, 08:35 AM
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She is not the 44,...more likely a version of the 65.
Pardon me for that mistake,...I looked to briefly.
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