Kitchen designer looking at boat design

[saltlife]

Hi all
I am a kitchen designer mainly but design many items but only two boat interiors. The web site is great and the boat designs are fantastic.
Question though why don't sailing catermerans have a sun bed over the davits ? please find photos of last boat I designed and fitted I'd love some feed back on them.

[gonzo]

What size catamaran are you talking about that has davits?

Hello Salty,

cannot comment on taste, but the cabinet rail is not proper executed. The gap is too wide (on the right side too), and the right part is wider (higher) than the left.
Looks like made by a carpenter, not boatbuilder.

Regards
Richard

[Asleep Helmsman]

The joinery is certainly questionable, but I would hesitate to criticize book matched plywood. That would certainly depend on the application, and the wood species. Certainly it is much better than rotary sliced. And lastly almost all of the best pieces of wood end up as veneer of some kind or another, since about 32 times as much pretty wood can be had from the same piece of lumber.
So the old adage of solid wood cabinetry is VERY outdated.
I would be careful about making a comparison between boat builders and woodworkers. There are some pretty austere standards for architectural millwork.

Originally Posted by Asleep Helmsman

I would be careful about making a comparison between boat builders and woodworkers. There are some pretty austere standards for architectural millwork.

That was´nt a comparison. The average carpenter / woodworker just works to far lower standards than the average boatbuilder, that´s it. Over the decades I employed several carpenters, they ALL had to go after some days, not one was able or willing to work to boatbuilding standards, but all claimed to know much about woodworking.
When I need top class cabinetry for a Hotel project, I make it in my yards.

PAR

I do´nt miss the "exits" here, that looks like being just a decorative part to hide the AC installation and back the seating. There will be hardly a crumb on it.

Regards
Richard

Originally Posted by PAR

Richard, what if there is a crumb or worse, heaven forbid a beer gets spilled? I'd rather clean up a soggy sole then have a cushion that smells like beer for the rest of it's life (have you ever tried to clean foam?).

Haha,

yes, I know what you mean, and I was it myself spilling the wine (red wine).


Concur on the rest of the post too.

[Landlubber]

....it all looks like it is done in a Chinese yard.....in fact I would have put money on it. (I spent 3.5 years there just recently).

[frank smith]

Originally Posted by apex1

Hello Salty,

cannot comment on taste, but the cabinet rail is not proper executed. The gap is too wide (on the right side too), and the right part is wider (higher) than the left.
Looks like made by a carpenter, not boatbuilder.

Regards
Richard

Richard , you look marvelous.

[saltlife]

THanks for your posts. I thought this site was about boat design not about old frats having a rant about the merits of solid timber or the lack of a dip in the fiddle to brush your crumbs off. Don't eat your biscuits over the counter tops. Problem solved. I am neither a boatbuilder or a carpenter. I am a kitchen designer and fitter. I cant talk about boat builders but I do know that kitchen fitters have to work to fine tolerances becuase unlike boat builders and carpenters they cant hide their mistkes under 10 coats of varnish.

[Asleep Helmsman]

Originally Posted by saltlife

THanks for your posts. I thought this site was about boat design not about old frats having a rant about the merits of solid timber or the lack of a dip in the fiddle to brush your crumbs off. Don't eat your biscuits over the counter tops. Problem solved. I am neither a boatbuilder or a carpenter. I am a kitchen designer and fitter. I cant talk about boat builders but I do know that kitchen fitters have to work to fine tolerances becuase unlike boat builders and carpenters they cant hide their mistkes under 10 coats of varnish.

I agree. Way to much arrogance exist in this world. I've done both for many years and at the top there is no difference. And book matched or not is a matter of taste, not quality.

That looks to have some coats of varnish, and it's "neither a boatbuilder NOR a carpenter" if you want to get pissy about honest criticism. I thought the guys were tough on you but YOU ASKED. What do you want them to do, take it easy on you and let you continue building at that level?
I don't think it's arrogance, at all. The guy is thinking about doing this for a living and that'll NEVER fly. I have a workboat, and I wouldn't accept those joints. When one has a fiddle, there has to be a place to wipe clean. In this case, which is trying to accentuate the curvature and is a PERFECT place to display the best joints you've ever done, the "exit" (the proper name for this in English escapes me) should have been back against the bulkhead. The bookmatching always looked wrong to me, but not knowing...I would have done it, too (I wouldn't in the future).
Is that a galvenized louver on the AC?

Originally Posted by saltlife

old frats having a rant about the merits of solid timber

Hmm,

there was no rant as far as I have seen!

But when you do´nt like critical input from experts in boatbuilding, why do you ask them?

Have you ever heard the name "Oster" in your industry? Even they, building to the highest available quality, agree that they cannot compete with boatbuilders.

[Asleep Helmsman]

Although, I would think twice about putting a cushion on top of a cabinet.

[frank smith]

Saltlife, welcome . I hope you stick around , dont mind the nit picking , it goes with the territory . Most of the guys here have made it on their own in some way,and have little patience for those that cannot stand by their own work or opinion. A certain person has broken my balls since I got here, but I have open ears for good info., and let the rest roll off my back.
Have fun.

Frank

[RHP]

Its not nit picking - if you´re paying top buck for a catamaran (show me a cheap one...) you expect both good design AND proper levels of fit out. All the lads have done is pointed out issues which they as designers and marine industry professionals would take issue with if it was their project which seems fair enough to me.