Just for Fun, Design Yor Apocalypse Vessel

Sounds like PolitMath to me - A monkey with a pocket calculator is still a monkey, But a Monkey with TWO calculators is a Politician.

 

I think he is saying the mean is 788 thousand not 100 thousand.
He doesn't give us the statistics to check the mean.
pretty obvious he isn't claiming 788 is the mean of 100, being 8 times larger.

His point is doctors and medical facilities are downplaying, attempting to marginalize the problem. They are lying to us.
They are covering their arse.


My point wasn't to hammer the med profession.
My point was don't panic about a few cases of ebola in Africa.
Falling in the bath presents a greater statistical risk.


One of the reasons medical treatment in the US is so expensive, is the huge malpractice insurance premiums that clinics, hospitals, doctors have to pay.
could it be the premiums are so high because the insurance company knows their risk is so high?

 

And it's really strange that the plague meaning is a 20th century construction.
In other words, your explanation is a myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_a_Ring_o'_Roses

 

I was watching a film the other day about a poor family in what looked like southeast Asia. They lived on this small decrepit boat, and had to try to catch fish and pick wild plants like lotus roots and bamboo shoots.

With their little boat, they could move on if their neighbors were unfriendly.

When you think about the millions who subsist like this, the biggest Apocalypse is probably living in poverty.

 

Back to the topic: a "vessel" for surviving a bad time for you and your family AND a way to avoid too much official interest in the meantime.

A platform ... like those used for deep sea drilling. Possibly a reconditioned smaller platform being retired. These are large and roomy, can handle rough weather, and while their location is known they can be relatively remote. In keeping with my previous idea, I'd prefer to anchor mind over a known deposit of methane hydrate, or a shallower methane seep if the methane could be gathered up without incurring environmentalist wrath or government regulation in the meantime: hey, free fuel. Such a platform would then be like a giant shanty.

Less expensive than a private island.

Now, the genius idea to make folks want to leave you alone in the meantime....

You could, several times a year, run a camp for immersion language studies ... in Klingon. We are talking costumes, Sci-Fi swords, nerds, and "He's dateless, Krang." jokes from all the locals.

That or "Bond Villain Chic" where the strange location is part of the motif.

In both cases larger mini subs could be an integral aspect of the fun, in the former instance they would substitute for your Klingon deep space cruisers.

Either way: eccentric tending towards harmless loon rather than prepper armed to the teeth and therefore unstable/dangerous and to be harassed is the way to escape ... well, constant government attention.

 

If you want a big sub and aren't into Trek you could also make use of the classic 1960s Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea (you'd have to be a many-times-billionaire to use the 1990s SeaQuest design and I kinda doubt anyone would think someone could be that much a fanboy of that show) design or maybe a non-Disney Nautilus design. Or, if you are into Trek, a large D9, ST:NG Bird of Prey, or what have you. Even a platform styled after DS9.

Eccentric and nerdy can be played up as harmless IMHO.

Edit: now that I think about it, a DS9 styled platform might be cool. The ring would be supported by the three towers which, below the waterline, would be more or less conventional ocean platform design. Probably need to have an oculus ring at the top though ... but it could provide a sweet spot to put a rotating restaurant in a really large platform.

 

If you want to live on an oil or gas production platform offshore, I'd expect there would be numerous abandoned ones in the event of societal collapse. With producing wells.
You do understand, I hope, that these are complicated and hazardous machines requiring years of training to operate.
Casually opening a valve could kill you quick.

 

I'm not really talking about an operating oil platform still brimming with associated gear. And if, in the context of this thread, people have been mentioning subs needing nuclear engineers then I'm guessing some divers and a few specialists wouldn't be a big deal to our hypothetical millionaires.

And, yes, I'm aware that their ballasting systems are complex. But no more so than other things mentioned in this thread.

 

We are Building an off the Grid Boat out of Wooden Pallets

Hi

My name is mike. I am building two 10 meter boats. One is made from pallets and the other from old car tires. Most posts I have seen have been down on using pallets for sail boats but our project is about using what we have in a post industrial world and these materials are what we have.

We are building the ships at a location in Berlin Germany that is getting gentrified and the cool collective called Yaam let us build the ships there and use their discarded materials as they moved to another spot around the corner.

We are using the concept of the ancient practice of waddle and daub and applying it to these materials. We are building these virtually with NO TOOLS except for the random saw or screw where absolutely needed.

We welcome positive feedback and suggestions please and we will be posting daily progress to the boat forums and our web page ...www.banksterattack.com/boatbuildingprogress.html

If you are interested in our overall project(converting unused shipping freighter, boats into transatlantic floating hotels and farms) please check out our site. Www.banksterattack.com

Lastly, any contribution as far as anything ( advise, sponsors for materials, endorsements, donations on our site, referrals to captains that would like to participate, etc etc) would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and we look forward to your participation.

 

What a fun project, but very badly doomed to failure.

"waddle" ( you mean wattle ) and daub is indeed ancient, but not for boats. Its not even that easy to use effectively for houses, where it is used a lot.

Just be aware, that many marine authorities will charge you for the cost of removing rubbish from coastal areas when the boats sink and become eyesores.

 

The problem with you, Ray, is that you're so *negative*. I, personally, think what they're attempting is a marvellous exercise in human creativity. I wish them every success in their endeavors and hope they recruit a lot of like-minded people to participate in their first voyage.

PDW

 

Omigod PDW, you are so *right*. Here I was, not thinking of the Darwinian implications of discouraging these creative individuals.

I am going to sit in the naughty corner right now !!!

 

"What a fun project, but very badly doomed to failure.

"waddle" ( you mean wattle ) and daub is indeed ancient, but not for boats. Its not even that easy to use effectively for houses, where it is used a lot."

First off, I own a house built by this method that has been standing where it was built for 250 years and it's still there whereas the concrete eyesores of "modern progress" were blown away by multiple force 5 hurricanes in the Caribbean.

Second off, my grandfather showed me how to build WADDLE(indigenous spelling) and Daub and he sailed back and forth to the Caribbean on his own boat of such construction without incident so obviously your interaction with this technique in any form is not real world. Perhaps this will help: These constructions use concepts made popular by Buckminster Fuller

"Just be aware, that many marine authorities will charge you for the cost of removing rubbish from coastal areas when the boats sink and become eyesores."

Lastly, just be informed, we already demoed this to marine authorities. They are the ones that set us up the build site BY THE WATER. I will add the gentleman responsible is a licensed ship captain and has offered to lend his 50 years plus of sailing to the launch. I am happy to say he gets it. There will be no sinking.


I, personally, think what they're attempting is a marvellous exercise in human creativity. I wish them every success in their endeavors and hope they recruit a lot of like-minded people to participate in their first voyage.

Thank you for the well wishes. I posted here to find positive feedback and get valuable input because while I know somethings I will not pretend to know it all.
As per the thread title, we are making this boats out of what is available on hand. After any collapse history shows you either get creative our you may not survive

 

Well, I hate to be the one to tell you, but...

this is not a ship...



and tires don't float, they sink...
Throw one in the water in the background and see what happens.



Listen to Mr. Mackey.

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As he's talking about using 2 part foam, I did a quick (back of beermat) calc and got an average tyre needing 2 cubic foot,

He's got about 50 tyres in the photo

so 100 cf of the 2 pound / cubic foot foam is already almost a thousand bucks...

I reckon the hull will need to be 3 to 4 times that for the 10m proposed...

GOP is looking better ?