Islander - Seagoer

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by kolosanka, May 6, 2010.

  1. EKMadrigal
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    EKMadrigal Elizabeth Madrigal

    Would love to follow your progress

    Hi Kolosanka,

    I'm the grandniece of Captain Harry Pidgeon and would really love to follow your progress while you plan and build your "Islander". You can email me at elizabeth@captainharrypidgeon.org and visit my website, http://captainharrypidgeon.org.

    For anyone else interested in my Uncle Harry, or who has any details or family stories from older relatives, please share with me. I am researching for a book about the rest of his life - he did very well covering his adventures - and would love to have more personal details that are not public knowledge.

    Also, for those of you who are interested, Harry was an amazing photographer, and a 1560+ collection of his glass negatives is archived at the University of California Riverside's Museum of Photography. You can go directly to their site, but it might be easier to go to mine as it is a little cumbersome to find it you don't have good instructions. The museum has let me use some of the photos on my site, so enjoy and the link instructions to there are exact!

    Best regards to all the sailors on here,
    Elizabeth Madrigal
     
  2. hoytedow
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    Welcome to the forum, Elizabeth.
     
  3. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Hi Elizabeth,

    Thanks for the info and welcome here . . . . ! !

    And thanks for your nice website about Harry Pidgeon :)

    Good Luck!
    Angel
     
  4. frank smith
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    I think you can get plans at Mystic Seaport in Connecticut .
     
  5. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    I already looked there at the C. D. Mower Collection. The 25.25' Sea Bird is there but I didn't see the 34' Seagoer/Islander neither the 38'(?) Naiad.

    But I think it's worth a better search at Mystic Seaport and Mystic Seaport Library - (Kolosanka, go ahead and tell us :))

    And I do think they have the book ‘‘How to Build a Cruising Yawl’’ as well as al editons of Rudder Magazine, not all them are online yet but copies are for sale. They are also for sale here, the original price was 25 cents . . . . :cool:

    About the 38'(?) Naiad, I saw that this link says she is 38' and that she's in the 1931 editon of the book ‘‘How to Build a Cruising Yawl’’ (30 pages) and that the link to the 1934 editon (32 pages) doesn't metion her. I can't look into the books there though.

    Elizabeth, do you have or are you aware of any building plans of the Islander? And do you have the book ‘‘How to Build a Cruising Yawl’’? (see post#14)

    Good Luck!
    Angel
     
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  6. frank smith
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    Seagoer yawl, 3-masted Goeller, Fred W., Jr.

    can be found at Mystic
     
  7. kolosanka
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    thanks guys for your answers.. I found the 3 masted seagoer as well, thx to you angelique.. Some of this links I found earlier, but thx anyway.. I don't have any new infos.. What will be good is, to find something like ISBN for the booklet How to build a cruising yawl from that days :D There must be a copy of that somewhere..
     
  8. frank smith
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    All of these boat that I have seen in pictures look to be down quite far .
    They are light disp. and would be improved by using modern building techniques. a little more free board wouldn't hurt either , IMO .
     
  9. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Try the one in post#14 and tell us . . . . :)

    Cheers!
    Angel
     
  10. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Yes, found it mentioned several times - ‘‘Seagoer yawl, 3-masted, 34' - Goeller, Fred W., Jr.’’ - but only that bit of text, no specs or drawings. If you found specs and/or drawings please give a link. As it is a three master and a different designer it could be a different boat with the same name.

    About the ‘3-masted yawl’, I guess Rudder Magzine is right, but I tought a yawl was only 2-masted. :confused: - - Can somebody enlighten me :idea: ? ?

    I found this info in this bolg.

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    ‘‘ Details of ‘Islander’
    Class Seagoer class yawl designed by Frederick William Goeller, Jr.
    LOA 34’
    LWL 27’ 6”
    Beam 10’ 10”
    Tonnage 12
    Sail Area, sq ft 635
    Rig Gaff Yawl
    Construction Wood: Oak, Douglas Fir and Oregon Pine ’’

    Don't know if the info in this blog ‘‘designed by Frederick William Goeller, Jr’’ is correct but it's a 2-masted yawl - not 3.

    Cheers!
    Angel
     
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  11. frank smith
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    Doug fir and Oregon pine are the same . The disp. would be about 12500 LB .
    Perhaps the bowsprit is considered a spar ?

    Frank
     
  12. apex1

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    You are right.

    Yawls are 2 masted! (in fact 1 1/2 to be correct)
     
  13. frank smith
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    Are you saying that Rudder and Mystic Seaport are wrong?
    Surley you are wrong .

    Frank
     
  14. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Only way to know that is to ask Rudder Magazine or Mystic Seaport Museum what they mean by ‘‘3-masted yawl’’. Who is going to do that . . . ? ?

    Cheers!
    Angel
     

  15. apex1

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    Do you have access to the internet???

    If so, try to make sensible use of it before you contradict:!:
     
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