gaff cutter

[peter radclyffe]

i should have corrected it when i wrote the steering is comparitively useless, its not, its less effective, the steering still works,
well the market may have to be regatta circuits, & summer cruising which is what a lot of people do anyway, as there are very few if any new classics around, there are hybrid spirit of profit classics, lol, but thats another thing, & everywhere i look i see very few classics authentically restored, this boat is ok to sail round the world

[BATAAN]

Watching these beautiful big girls in action all together at some Med regatta must be a super thrill. Congrats on yr work on Lulworth and others, preserving the skills through renewing the fabric built so long ago. This has been called the 'restoration of the century' by more than one magazine.
May these relics of a gilded age always come back from the dead generation after generation, as they are absolute educations in what is possible by smart people with tools.

[BATAAN]

Here's a much more humble cutter, built around 1922 for R. H. Swann, designed by Bevil Warington-Smyth after the SW England fishing types, but slimmer and with outside ballast. She was quite well known for speed, sailing 136 miles from Helford to Poole Bar in 24 hours and 10 minutes. Not bad for 25.7 ft LWL.
MARIE MICHON was built by a fishboat builder, so was quite plain but very strong. Her deck was flush, giving a feeling of a much larger boat, at the cost of 5 foot headroom below.
If I ever sell BERTIE, this is a boat I'd really like to build.

[gunship]

Just a question that's been nagging me for forever: since waterline length is preferable for speed reasons, if you're doing a e.g. 17m boat, why make the waterline 10-11ish? (stern overhang). ??

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by gunship

Just a question that's been nagging me for forever: since waterline length is preferable for speed reasons, if you're doing a e.g. 17m boat, why make the waterline 10-11ish? (stern overhang). ??

I'm just guessing here, but it may have to do with reserve buoyancy.

[gunship]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

I'm just guessing here, but it may have to do with reserve buoyancy.

Hmm, that makes some sense, since pushing the stern down just a few inches/centimetres would increase buoyancy enormously.

[peter radclyffe]

& er let me think now, well yes beauty, thats part of it & er, ah yes, controversy

[peter radclyffe]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

Here's a much more humble cutter, built around 1922 for R. H. Swann, designed by Bevil Warington-Smyth after the SW England fishing types, but slimmer and with outside ballast. She was quite well known for speed, sailing 136 miles from Helford to Poole Bar in 24 hours and 10 minutes. Not bad for 25.7 ft LWL.
MARIE MICHON was built by a fishboat builder, so was quite plain but very strong. Her deck was flush, giving a feeling of a much larger boat, at the cost of 5 foot headroom below.
If I ever sell BERTIE, this is a boat I'd really like to build.

have you followed peter sibleys thread on wbf where he is designing a boat based on marie michon, a beautiful boat

[peter radclyffe]

thanks to all those who p m'd me, i wasnt sure if it was m c a, now i know it needs a stabilty booklet & has to come under r c d

[peter radclyffe]

one reason why people like old yachts is because a lot of the work looks like it was made by hand, even tho' they used hand moulding planes & spindle moulders,
where today it looks like it is routered which is fine for modern designs,
but when some yards repair old boats they throw the closest router bits at it, cos they dont know & they really dont care, so it changes,
then some people think thats original, when its not,
the whole delicate beautiful original effect is lost

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by gunship

since waterline length is preferable for speed reasons, if you're doing a e.g. 17m boat, why make the waterline 10-11ish? (stern overhang). ??

Becouse... Racing rules were built so that the LWL was measured in rest. Heeling and speed increases that length and so boat gets "unrated" advantage compared to another boat with same LWL but without overhangs. So in other words it made your 11ish boat to a much longer one, not the way you thought..

[peter radclyffe]

Originally Posted by Boston

oh make fun of me go ahead



my dream boat is now for sale and at the reduced rate of $250,000

should be able to afford it in about a hundred years or so

as far as gaff rigged cutters go, well, I'm kinda stuck on the clipper bow of the New England style lobster smacks



hell I even found a Morris original in ruins but relatively complete for all of $1500, but restoring her would have been a trick.

ok enough of that and lets get on with this most excellent of threads and leave off my retirement build for somewhere it belongs

cheers and best wishes
B

well im sure you can afford more than i, are you going for a lobster smack now or a motor yacht

[peter radclyffe]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

Obviously it's more work/cost to cast, fit and bolt a lead keel. On SF bay we had a Spitsgatter (sp?) come into the yard floating on its side as the iron keel had fallen off in deep water. The boat was 40 years old so I had to make a very accurate pattern, get it cast at the foundry, finish drilling the cored holes (cast iron) and make Aquamet keel bolts. A pain but it got done. A much smaller boat and job than that under discussion. Peter, the pictures you show of the composite built yacht take my breath away. That's fine!
This is a fun design thread, my question is what is the market for a vessel of limited fine weather use of such large size and cost in today's economy?

this is rare , were they iron bolts

[larry larisky]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

Here's a much more humble cutter, built around 1922 for R. H. Swann, designed by Bevil Warington-Smyth after the SW England fishing types, but slimmer and with outside ballast. She was quite well known for speed, sailing 136 miles from Helford to Poole Bar in 24 hours and 10 minutes. Not bad for 25.7 ft LWL.
MARIE MICHON was built by a fishboat builder, so was quite plain but very strong. Her deck was flush, giving a feeling of a much larger boat, at the cost of 5 foot headroom below.
If I ever sell BERTIE, this is a boat I'd really like to build.

what a beauty bataan. 5 foot is ok i don't think it is a problem. less will be.
you can do a lot seated, and it is the safest way to cook by the way, if the cooking utensils are well arranged for that. as for the head, well seated.
passing the pants or undressing can be a chore, but ok under the skylight.

[NoEyeDeer]

Originally Posted by peter radclyffe

its less work to have a wood keel, no moving, fairing, fitting, fastening the lead keel or making false keels or making special bolts fishplates, angle washers, etc

Fair enough. I'm sure it'll be a lovely boat.