Enjoy Survival in disaster

[enjoysurvival]

hi,

first point . agree ,common sense. but not too close to a damaged vessel , as everyone knows , would damage the raft.
second point. agree . Does it apply to all sea players ? Why were you so sick in these six days ? Did you and your team diagnose the reason ? and to improve the device ,design and supplies to minimise these sickness ? What are the conclusions ?
third point , agree , that's why I am requesting boat designers to design somthing to ensure ( maximise the chance ) the stuff to be stayed close to the raft.
fourth point , agree ,(repeat as 1st)
fifth point , agree , join the course is necessary , do you have any statistics how many of general sea players join such courses ?Reading is also necessary , not mutually exclusive. ( I know yours "don't read the book" means "not just reading books"....join real training...right ? )As mentioned before , I have never been into the raft.
sixth point , about worries . In my case , I take many situations into consideration.Not anxiety. I think my preparation is good with extra equipments , water and food to be saved , Don't concentrate on my mp3 and computers , concentrate to the equippments !

[Kay9]

Look. Start Here :http://www.answers.com/topic/survival-at-sea?cat=health

Then here: http://www.uscgboating.org/command/initiative.htm

Then here: http://www.fishresearch.org/Articles...quirements.asp

Now here: https://myeporia.eporia.com/resource...ng%20flyer.pdf

Finally read this: http://www.imo.org/Conventions/conte...257&doc_id=647

Now when your done with all of that. Im more then willing to answer any questions you might have.

[marshmat]

Nice links, Kay9. No substitute for a training course but it's the essentials in a nutshell (and enough to scare one into taking survival training before heading out on the ocean).

[safewalrus]

Couple of points 'enjoyerself' Second point, yes it was analysed, in depth (no pun intended) they were part of ongoing trials into Sea Survival by the Royal Navy (you may have heard of them), several reasons really, the raft flexes with the flow of water, a twenty man raft is designed for twenty men; not less! it's primarily the ballast thing, but also of course it's the warmth thing huddle together keeps you warm (good for moral as well probably THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE WILL TO LIVE AND GOOD MORAL without that your dead!

There were further trials carried out some years later off Iceland which are now the basics of raft survival! (well worth getting hold of those reports and reading them) And funnily enough one of the main factors is not to get into the bloody thing unless YOU HAVE TO! I cannot stress that enough!

the tropics are a different set up but much of what I said still holds!


Incidentally I realise what your after, quite a few 'weird types' indulge in it - they even make TV programs about it! Minimalistic camping and solo canoeing expeditions etc spring to mind, the sort of things that 'Special Forces' do for recreational purposes - just remember those guys go through very severe and specialist training to get to where they are! Also it is wise to remember that these sort of foolhardy activities can (and do) go wrong (I'm thinking of a certain Australian and a ray). Also remember that those activities generally have lots of backup, not to far away (some don't but that's the beauty of it) but remember thats not survival as we are talking about here! SURVIVAL is about when it's you against death, when it's all gone wrong and unless your very 'switched on' or lucky there is only one outcome! The fish don't go hungry!! From what we've seen so far unfortunately your not up to it! But there is hope your asking the questions NOW before you take the risk, just please pay attention to the answers, we're not kidding even if you are!!


And if it all goes to **** we can't come and pull you out and say I told you so...

[gww25]

Another good book to get a hold of besides the one by Sigler is the one by Dougal Robertson. I think it's called the 'Voyage of the Lucette' but anyway search for Robertson-raft etc. Much about raft survial came about as the result of their experience but like other have said the 'raft' is the absolute last ditch option if you can't stay with the boat for one reason or another.

[GTO]

The Robertson's book is "Survive the Savage Sea". It can be obtained from the publisher, Sheridan House. They started out with an old life raft they received free from another cruiser, and their dinghy. After some days the raft fell apart and they all moved into the dinghy. In many ways they were much better off.

After reading that book and two others, the Butler's "66 Days Adrift" and Callahan's "Adrift: 76 Days Lost at Sea",a dinghy seems preferable over a life raft. A manual water maker would top the list of must carry equipment too.

I'm thinking Enjoy's ideas might be getting a little bit distorted by the English translation - maybe, I hope. Reading those three stories certainly highlights just how much the proper survival gear could enhance your chance of living long enough to be rescued. At least he is trying to figure this out before he hits the water. From stories I've read, many people never give the worst case event any significant thought or planning. Maybe experience will help Enjoy "refine" his survival package.

[DanishBagger]

I don't think much is lost in translation. He has made it clear that it should be an enjoyable experiance. Yes, just an experience to tell his sons, not survival. And the way he envisions making it enjoyable is by wanting to listen to his iPod, taking pictures and write blogs (well, apparently blogs) on his brought computer. According to him, people who don't have fun while fighting to survive, are plain idiots. Because in a survival situation (still according to him), there is no need to fight for your survival as long as you are optimistic, and are enjoying yourself.

Apparently, he thinks that he just have to have a postive mindset, then it's all scout camp from there.

[Guillermo]

"The time to get into a life raft, is when your right foot is already wet, and you have to step up into the raft with your left." (Mark Fry dixit)

Some other interesting reading:
http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTR...c=GetTRDoc.pdf
http://www.ussailing.org/safety/ISAF/usliferaftreg.asp
http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/self.htm

SOLAS requirements state that the following equipment be aboard each raft:
1 Heaving line
1 Floating knife
1 Bailer
2 Sponges
2 Sea anchors
2 Floating paddles
1 Relief valve stopper kit
1 Label (contents)

If you're staying relatively close to shore, you will most likely need a SOLAS "B Pack" for coastal use, which mandates the addition of the following equipment:
3 Hand flares
2 Rocket signals
2 Smoke signals

If you venture offshore, you need the SOLAS "A Pack," which adds the following:
3 Can openers
1 Graduated drinking cup
1 Fishing kit
6 Hand flares
1 Food provisions for each person
4 Rocket signals
2 Smoke signals
1 Dozen 125 ml water rations per person
1 Repair kit
1 Pump
1 Repair plug set
1 Safety scissors
1 Sea-sickness bag per person
1 First-aid kit
2 Thermal protective aids
1 Whistle
1 Raft ID tube
1 Signaling mirror
1 Waterproof flashlight with spare bulb
1 Life-saving signal set


Some other useful items:
- 406 MHz EPIRB
- Handheld VHF radio
- Handheld GPS
- Strobe light
- Extra batteries
- Hand water maker
- Dye markers
- Compass
- Chemical light sticks
- Sunscreen
- Lip balm
- Life jackets (well, you're supposed to be wearing them, but just in case)
- Swiss army knife
- Extra clothing
- Duct tape
- Gloves
- Zip-lock bags

(Not mp3 here )

Cheers.

[westlawn5554X]

i need a girl in the list ... would help.

[Guillermo]

What for...?

[westlawn5554X]

The floating ballon in girls form... real survival kit...

1. help u float in water
2. Help u clam down nerves
3. Help u overcome inmates problem
4. Help you feel complete
5. Snoring aid kit
6. Proable pillow
7. Good for lap sleeping
8. Help you... understand right?
9. Etc... Etc...

I know walrus have suggested this item as christmas present but I am broke and they doesnt sell it in my country...

[DanishBagger]

Originally Posted by westlawn5554X

The floating ballon in girls form... real survival kit...
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I know walrus have suggested this item as christmas present but I am broke and they doesnt sell it in my country...

You can propably get one from ebay – only slightly used