Doomsday boat.

[Frosty]

Mighty big words there Running cloud, you had better return with food as hungry mouths are not fed for free. Id start making that deisel and a stil too if I were you.

Something to light the lamps and a drink of alcohol will make a rich man. I will trade better than hunting. I will live many moons and have many children.

Better to be needed than be needy.

[FAST FRED]

Savages are savages because like animals they have no concept of tomorrow..

Roaming mobs would soon be out of ammo, and after eating the weak , will soon be out of food.

A boat that has just 3 months endurance would be most likely to survive.

Esp as much of the third world would hardly notice , a simple agrarian life would hardly be changed.

No Benetaon T shirts to trade for , only re runs on TV, otherwise all the same.

And with "Globalbaloney Warming", whom will care if the water is 1/8 inch higher in FL in 200 years?

FF

[mydauphin]

Sounds like Waterworld again, and we all thought it was a bad movie.

[BATAAN]

Waterworld sucked because of female lead. Bad Guy was perfect, Kid was good, Costner was OK, girl was mis-cast. 3 secrets to directing a film, casting casting casting.
But the concept of floating communities, desperately trying to maintain a sustainable ecosystem, was quite interesting.
BERTIE is easily capable of carrying 90 days of food and water for 6 people with rationing, so I guess that's my 'social armageddon' hole card until things stabilize. But for a bad nuke contamination scenario, where do you go? Fallout maps would be nice, but if the nuke problem comes from weapons use and not another stupid reactor accident, the communications infrastructure might not be there to tell us the contaminated areas to avoid.
One thing I don't see mentioned here and that is respiratory protection. Chernobyl downwinders showed that just keeping the dust out of your lungs made a great difference in exposure and respirators and gas masks were quickly sold out and unobtainable. Same would seem to apply to bacterial weapon use, keep it out of your lungs.
So maybe one of the most important survival 'gadgets' on your boat is that old paint respirator.
Human survival needs in the order of priority; air to breathe, body heat (shelter, clothing), water, food. The last two have always been what we squabble over and seem to want to monopolize and hoard as a species, so that would not change if times were very difficult.

[mydauphin]

Actually not that hard. Create a water scrubber in your dorado boxes. Use sea water to clean air coming into boat radioactive particles will flush down. But you have to stay inside because of radiation anyway until a couple rains flush the air. Shield cabin with metal lining to cut out alpha and beta particles. Keep doors and windows closed. Problem becomes radioactive food and water afterward. Wish I could get geiger counter that works at a good price.

[BATAAN]

I don't have Dorade boxes because they are piss-poor at passing air, which is what a ventilator is all about, so have 6" cowls that can be closed or covered. But only in the world of a drawing board is a boat air tight and able to keep radioactive airborne particles out and would a water scrubber clean the air in a Dorade box. And a metal lining will help with weak radiation but it does not keep particles out. Just add a metal lining sounds so easy. Make a floating air tight shelter out of lead and we'll be fine. Radioactive contamination is a problem because you can't get away from it. Much is heavy particles which drop out of the air in a couple of weeks, but some is lighter and stays breathable for months. Humans are so incredibly arrogant and stupid to think we can economically make nuke plants actually work without thinking through long term problems, like spent fuel storage, or how to deal with another Fukushima or Chernobyl. And our A-weapons are coming back to bite our butts if any of our sworn stateless enemies get hold of one. Governments seem pretty good at keeping theirs from detonating so far, but with so many crazies drooling over the power of leveling an 'enemy' city, and so many weapons in other countries, it seems hard to avoid forever.

[DStaal]

Which was why I recommended heading south in that case: The circumpolar currents (both air and water) would offer some protection once you got to the other side of them. Then you can wait a few months for most of the fallout to settle.

Of course, that means you have to find a way to survive in Antarctica for those few months, and even afterwards the contamination will have spread over a large area. Most of the food sources will probably be contaminated, and will in fact tend to concentrate it further. But there's no real way around that; a Geiger counter will help you pick less-contaminated food batches, and depending on what happened you may just be able to stay away from contaminated areas, but that's all relative, and dependent on exactly what happened.

[mydauphin]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

I don't have Dorade boxes because they are piss-poor at passing air, which is what a ventilator is all about, so have 6" cowls that can be closed or covered. But only in the world of a drawing board is a boat air tight and able to keep radioactive airborne particles out and would a water scrubber clean the air in a Dorade box. And a metal lining will help with weak radiation but it does not keep particles out. Just add a metal lining sounds so easy. Make a floating air tight shelter out of lead and we'll be fine. Radioactive contamination is a problem because you can't get away from it. Much is heavy particles which drop out of the air in a couple of weeks, but some is lighter and stays breathable for months. Humans are so incredibly arrogant and stupid to think we can economically make nuke plants actually work without thinking through long term problems, like spent fuel storage, or how to deal with another Fukushima or Chernobyl. And our A-weapons are coming back to bite our butts if any of our sworn stateless enemies get hold of one. Governments seem pretty good at keeping theirs from detonating so far, but with so many crazies drooling over the power of leveling an 'enemy' city, and so many weapons in other countries, it seems hard to avoid forever.

So what your going to do give up.

[Frosty]

Water world was for kids or some one that had never seen a boat, I laughed till my head actually fell off completely when I saw a 250,000 ton tanker with big holes in the side about 2 feet off the water line to put oars through.

[whitepointer23]

how did you put your head back on.

[Frosty]

I didnt --you wont believe this but I grew another.

A Pakistani walks into the Doctors with a parrot on his head. The doctor looks at the parrot and says "how long have you had that?"

The Parrot said " well it started as a black head on my foot"

[Boston]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

Waterworld sucked because of female lead. Bad Guy was perfect, Kid was good, Costner was OK, girl was mis-cast. 3 secrets to directing a film, casting casting casting.
But the concept of floating communities, desperately trying to maintain a sustainable ecosystem, was quite interesting.
BERTIE is easily capable of carrying 90 days of food and water for 6 people with rationing, so I guess that's my 'social armageddon' hole card until things stabilize. But for a bad nuke contamination scenario, where do you go? Fallout maps would be nice, but if the nuke problem comes from weapons use and not another stupid reactor accident, the communications infrastructure might not be there to tell us the contaminated areas to avoid.
One thing I don't see mentioned here and that is respiratory protection. Chernobyl downwinders showed that just keeping the dust out of your lungs made a great difference in exposure and respirators and gas masks were quickly sold out and unobtainable. Same would seem to apply to bacterial weapon use, keep it out of your lungs.
So maybe one of the most important survival 'gadgets' on your boat is that old paint respirator.
Human survival needs in the order of priority; air to breathe, body heat (shelter, clothing), water, food. The last two have always been what we squabble over and seem to want to monopolize and hoard as a species, so that would not change if times were very difficult.

Costner was terrible in that movie. Not sue why some actors do so well in some situations and so poorly in others but damn, he sucked in that flick. Interesting you mention the leading lady. I completely agree she was miscast. Although my take on casting is hardly as experienced as your own. I'm just a viewer, never did have much to do with movies. Although I do know several film producers, we don't discuss work much.

I'd have thought someone would have a consultant team working on any movie throughout its production to help prevent multi million dollar flops like that was. Anyway good call on the casting.

[FAST FRED]

"Governments seem pretty good at keeping theirs from detonating so far, but with so many crazies drooling over the power of leveling an 'enemy' city, and so many weapons in other countries, it seems hard to avoid forever".

Much more likely is N Korea or Iran popping a nuke 100-150 miles up.

Line of sight , would destroy all the electronics in view.

No comm , no electric think 1850 again , tho in 1850 it was the norm , not a surprise.

As sextant , calibrated time piece and set of tables might be nice on board.

FF

[CatBuilder]

Originally Posted by FAST FRED

"Governments seem pretty good at keeping theirs from detonating so far, but with so many crazies drooling over the power of leveling an 'enemy' city, and so many weapons in other countries, it seems hard to avoid forever".

Much more likely is N Korea or Iran popping a nuke 100-150 miles up.

Line of sight , would destroy all the electronics in view.

No comm , no electric think 1850 again , tho in 1850 it was the norm , not a surprise.

As sextant , calibrated time piece and set of tables might be nice on board.

FF

Bummer about not being able to cook when the boat's propane solenoid fries, about not being able to motor when the control circuits fry and not having any more food when the refrigerator controls fry too.

You'd need a lot more than nav gear.

Floating coffin in that scenario.

[Frosty]

Thats why you dont want common rail injection on a boat, Will engine manufacturers wise up and take note.

Ille over haul an olde one before I buy a computerized black box engine