Designers of small wood power boats?

Are there any really good ones in the 21', CLEAVER or VERTICAL BOW design? I found 1 plan that is very close to the look I like. BUT is it a dog or a good boat? Designed by Charles D. Mower for the old MOTOR BOATING magazine of the 30's & 40's. Design name is Slicque. If any body tells me how and where to send a scan of the 2 plan sheets I will. Thanks for any help

[Raggi_Thor]

Can you post the drawings?

[lakerunner]

Richard check out this web sight . While I was researching Options 1 I stumbled onto this sight . You might find it interesting . http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Cruisers/index2.html
dont know the boat you mention but did note the Plumb/ Verticle stems on most of these designs ........ Don.

Are you serious? the picture of you shows you are 3 to 5 years old!

I will send you E mail scans, and you can post them.Thank you very much, Rich.-----------2 seat set up is what I will use. Where, will be dertermined by a finished hull, ballested to simulate machinery. Rich

Your E mail does not exist.

[Raggi_Thor]

You can mail me,

mikkelsen@mboats.no

[Raggi_Thor]

This will be a very good looking and economical boat.
Built in plywood and epoxy it may be lighter the the original.
I would do a careful weight estimate.

You read me like a Father. Now that you know how old I am. Consider the following. My then brand new, 2002 Chaparral 186 SSI (18.5' LOA ) 5.0L 220 hp has very poor off plane tracking. Can I use the SLICQUE 24 degree dead rise at frame # 5-6, all the way to the stern. I would like to use frame #6 , vertical sides, SAME SIZE and SHAPE all the way to the transom? I need the depth for safety reasons in the chops I have. I am banking that a CLEAVER BOW has a built in bow rudder when used in a CONSTANT 24 degree deep V hull. These old flat sterned boats have a nasty habit of HOOKING in choppy turns. I figure the V, the bow, and a 12" W X 24" deep rudder would make for a very sure turning and planed out running boat. Am I right or digging a hole? I do not know of a SLIQUE ever being built. Thanks for any help, Rich

[Raggi_Thor]

Sorry I don't have time to answer this completly...

Constant deadrise of 24 degrees will not make the boat very efficient in lower speeds. It's the twist in the bottom that made the old boats go relatively fast with small engines.

The deep forefoot of old designs may be an disadvantage in following seas, it sometimes feels like the boat has amind of it's own.

So (if we have to change anything) I would not use the same deadrise all the way back, but maby go from 24 to 10 or 12 degrees, and I would remove some volume in the forefoot.

Raggi Thor. Thank you for the reply. I volunteer time, money, material and effort to a antique boat museum on the Saint Lawrence River between the USA and Canada. I would like to build this boat because I like the lines and I want it to be used in the museum to teach any young school children in nearby towns the pleasure that it can give them. I maintain it, they enjoy it. I am 67 and happy kids that build and run the boats I give away are what makes me happy. Assume I build the boat with the modifications. Power is a Mercruiser 5.0 to 5.7 L 220 to 250 hp, or a engine of 305 hp and 390 lb ft of torque. The stern drive is my only choice for a teaching boat, even if I do not like it? I think YES is the honest answer? I am forced to keep a deep hull because the river has lots of traffic and 2' to 3' chop all day. Also young students can get a little wild. I want them, boys and girls, not to take water over the side and onto their bodies. That does not bring them or their parents back again. That is the reason for the constant deep V. I can alway add more engine. I can not take back a bad reputation. Thank you for any plus or minus to my thoughts.PLEASE disagree when I am wrong. Richard.

[Kazulin]

Hello Richard:
Are you talking about Clayton New York?
Beautiful place and what a great way to teach youth about boats.
Let me know if I could be of any assistance because I will be an hour and a half away from that area as of April.
All the best,
Tony
kazulin@axion.net

I am at Clayton, NY. Hang around the Antique Boat Museum during the summer months. I do volunteer for projects and events. Love all the people in the area, a real time warp compared to NJ. Wife is active there also. Canada is a neat country. Fort Henry and the Military College are outstanding. We are lucky to be there. We will arrive May 1 thru 5. Call the museum, leave a #, will call back when we get up there. Medication working. Gananocque has a terrific resturant on the water by the Chaparral dealer, Gordon Marine.

[Raggi_Thor]

Regarding the deadrise...
A constant 24 degrees will make the boat less stable at rest and in moderate speeds. The "deep V" is not really suited for rivers, I think. I am sure this has been discussed many times in this forum. The stability at rest is a constant problem for offshore fishing boats.

If you take the frame with 24 degrees deadrise and extend that shape all the way to the stern, you will either have added a lot of volume deep down or you will have made the hull very narrow in the waterline. Do you picture this? It's hard to explain with words. Take a look at the body plan that you have and compare underwater areas of the original design and the new one.

On the other hand, your engine may be larger and heavier than the original. In the drawings you scanned, the deadrise is almost zero at the stern. You may want more than that, but not as much as 24 degrees, I think.

If I have the time, I will do some calculations next week. Happy Weekend!
A 3D model for calculations will also give you the unfolded shape of the topsides and bottom panels, if that's interesting.

Raggi Thor. Thank you for all the help I asked of you. It has helped me to better understand the limitations of the boats hull. I will now proceed with the project. Thank you very much, Richard Petersen