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Old 06-23-2011, 09:33 AM
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A problem with hydrofoils is getting a displacement style sailboat hull up to sufficient speed to create enough lift with the hydroplanes to raise the hull out of the water so it can build up speed . . . it doesn't really matter for a movie but there is an expressed concern here for realism.
Hence the jet turbine powerplant and keel-less hull...

A few small well-placed microcomputer-controlled rockets (or even waterjets) with yaw sensors (gyroscopes again!) can give it a little extra boost if needed...

will need gyroscope sensors on the hydrofoils too, for maximum angle-of-attack efficiency at all hull attitudes, complete with an auto-feedback system...
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Old 06-23-2011, 10:18 AM
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Thank you all very much, some really good ideas here, and I'll be following up. To be clear, it doesn't have to be the Cambria, it just has to look similarly:

Chapter II – The Ghosts and Spooks of Great Neck

“MMMF! LOOK AT THAT,” SAID BUD, wiping his mouth with the back of his hand and pointing with his beer bottle. Kendide looked out into the ruby light brushed in broad strokes across the dark blue canvas of the sky and sparking in crimson flashes on the gently cresting, navy waters of Long Island Sound, and at first could only pick out the sentry pole at the end of the Berenstein pier with its glowing cap of green light. Finally his gaze found the sailing yacht with its three bellied sails blushing carmine in the light, its blackly gleaming, impossibly beautiful bows plowing up bits of fiery froth as it bore in on the dock.

And later in the first part:


A warming breeze of the rising sun caressed his cheek, washing the dank smell of dew-decked forest from his nostrils with a salty draft of Sound sea air: Kendide stopped for a moment and looked out over the scrub of forest soil that gradually blended into a short strip of rocky, muddy beach, watching as the fog thinned into gauzy curtains, through which emerged the dazzling blue waters, the burnt-gray dock, and —its bows gleaming blackly in the dawning sunlight as if they were carved of jet— the gently bobbing beauty of the Golden Hyena. He stood a still moment, looking at the sailing yacht with it trim lines, its bulging sails neatly furled along its bowlines and boom: the ship’s prow lifted and fell, and for a childish instant it seemed as if the curtains of fog were parting just so the sparkling little craft could nod invitingly so, just to Kendide.

So for aesthetic reasons, I need the boat to look as it does - it can be something other than a Cambria, and yes, it can be a customized sailer of some other brand; but the reader must be fooled -just as our the characters- as to the hidden capabilities of the boat until the final, climactic action scene of Empire, the first novel in the series. The boat will appear at least throughout the second novel, Mother Earth, and maybe through all four in the series - I've just begun the research for the second, so I won't even be working on the plot for some months...

Again, thank you all very much.

Michael Sol
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:13 AM
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James Bond stealth boat Sea Shadow (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Navy-away.html) is up for sale but no takers. Not even M16.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:23 AM
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I am with frosty keep the costs down and remember most of these images are virtual today so keep it that way ( inside some bloody chip )
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:42 PM
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I vote for the hydro foil lift , folding out of the deck, bow T foil and 2 foils on either side of the cockpit.

Getting power into the water would be done by a keel scoop and water jet ,
or by a shaft extending out of the transom for an Arninson drive.

Which ever would work , the Arnenson is a surface drive that could easily chop up a shark , or a bad guy.

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Old 06-23-2011, 06:39 PM
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Well as far as i'm concerned it can't be done regardless of how much money you throw at it so why not just play the scene for what it is a futureistic vessel that is of an advanced top secret design with the ability to morph using : Water ballast--telescopic masts-- hydrolically controlled foil equipped, waterjet driven pontoons that fit into hull indentations. IE They fit into their negative forms built into the hull. That way when they extend out there are no hull openings to leak. How does it work --simple--push a button, the masts and all top hamper retract into themselves, compressed air blows the water ballast and the keel retracts, meanwhile while all this is occuring the pontoons are extending out of their respective hull co-coons-- The gas powered turbines kick in driving the water jet propulsion units contained within --Acceleration occurs lifting the whole she bang up on the foils-- Hold on to your hats we're into hyper mode.
And that my friends is as good as it gets in terms of the realms of possibilities--Take it or leave it thats the limit of my nautical engineering-- Geo.

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Old 06-23-2011, 07:00 PM
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Thank you, I've found Q

Thank you all so much, I've found Q (or maybe three of them), so while I will still be avidly reading this post, we've got the team that will actually be working on The Golden Hyena.

Again, I can't tell you all how grateful I am....

Michael Sol
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:35 PM
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But--every bond film has a boat in it and some unusually capable car.

But what does he do when hes finished with them --he just walks away from it as the camera pans back and we see him jump into bed with a slut from hell, (Lucky bastard) while mis Funnyfany in London is trying to get him on the phone.

I think he should have a secret elevator to the moon where he meets Dr evil his nemesis and then he finds out that Dr Evil has a better lift to Mars and then the story starts to get good.

He could have a strange moon dog with 2 heads or something, --Im actually quite fed up with the evil guy stroking a pussy all the time,--you don't see ole Bond messing with pussy.

Sounds like a good book though,--one of those that when you put it down you can't pick it up again.
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Old 06-24-2011, 06:55 AM
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There's that dry English humor of my ancestors that still pops it's head after some 400 plus years on these Newfoundland shores---Frosty i'm "knocked up" humorlessly in the morning by the recall of some of your posts--tis refeshing me lad---- Jarge

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Old 06-24-2011, 07:23 AM
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I will not purport to be a writer, boat designer, or even tell you that I've played one on TV, but I do have an idea to toss out.

Most folks aren't familiar with water-borne craft design, let alone aircraft design. Might I suggest a craft using a combination of the technologies?

I realize you're after the romance of the typical single-hull sailing yacht, but how about altering it to a catamaran, or even trimaran design. This would give you the ability to have a combination power or sailing yacht, with a quite stable hull design. Now, toss in the gas turbines, and give the hull the ability to stretch it's beam to the point of growing wings.
What I'm thinking of is wing-in-ground effect flight. This should give you the 50-knot speed you're after, but still offer the romance of a sailing yacht, but with a somewhat modern slant to it.

Just an offering from my shoulder-mounted vacuum chamber

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What I'm thinking of is wing-in-ground effect flight. This should give you the 50-knot speed you're after, but still offer the romance of a sailing yacht, but with a somewhat modern slant to it.
Roger has some good ideas.

Might as well put SES and Hovercraft on the table too, if willing to consider WIG's.
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Old 06-24-2011, 01:47 PM
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Rite, somehow i dont realy see james sailing
A mix of waterworlds tri with a more futuristic but eastatic smoker
Morph would convince me better, but iff our man was really sailing a boat
As mentioned i imagine for work it would carry some special dingys
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Old 06-24-2011, 01:59 PM
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Ah, ya gotta love fiction, and friction!

I can see it all now, sipping wine, rubbing against a lovely mermaid, flip a switch, the testosterone gushes and you're doing 50 knots!!

Yeeeehaaaaaa... hey, where'd that tuna go?

-Tom
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Old 06-24-2011, 03:38 PM
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I suspect significant amounts of text already exist which is based on the boat layout given in the first post. Checking and reworking to ensure the details are consistent after a layout change, and good enough to satisfy a pernickety pubisher as well as a large readership, is tricky and time-consuming; I can vouch for that after many decades writing proposals.
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