Design brief for anti-whaling vessel?

[Raggi_Thor]

And please don't hurt them while your try to save them!

[FAST FRED]

"The question of the degree of intelligence in whales have also been debated, primarily by opponents of commercial whaling, because some claim that the whale's intelligence is on par with man ".

If whales were as bright as an ant they would have simply crushed whale boats 500 years ago .

Kick a Fire Ant mound , they all go to war with the kicker.

Whales ignore the slow death of their fellows?

Not too bright to me.

FF

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by FAST FRED

"The question of the degree of intelligence in whales have also been debated, primarily by opponents of commercial whaling, because some claim that the whale's intelligence is on par with man ".

If whales were as bright as an ant they would have simply crushed whale boats 500 years ago .

Kick a Fire Ant mound , they all go to war with the kicker.

Whales ignore the slow death of their fellows?

Not too bright to me.

FF

For all their intelligence, whales are fatalists knowing that with flippers they can't hold the tools necessary to save their brothers and sisters.

[rugludallur]

You are actually comparing apples and oranges, because all ants in a colony share the same DNA and reproductive system while each whale has it's individual DNA. Because all ants in a colony share the same DNA and reproductive system they can in some ways be treated as a single organism.

What you are describing is a prisoners dilemma, while it is clearly in the interest of the whale species for an individual to sacrifice itself to save the other it is not in the interest of that particular whale.

Originally Posted by FAST FRED

"The question of the degree of intelligence in whales have also been debated, primarily by opponents of commercial whaling, because some claim that the whale's intelligence is on par with man ".

If whales were as bright as an ant they would have simply crushed whale boats 500 years ago .

Kick a Fire Ant mound , they all go to war with the kicker.

Whales ignore the slow death of their fellows?

Not too bright to me.

FF

[FAST FRED]

"What you are describing is a prisoners dilemma, while it is clearly in the interest of the whale species for an individual to sacrifice itself to save the other it is not in the interest of that particular whale."


Simply jumping on a row boat would not put the whale at much risk.

Whaling was started in rowed open boats , it would have ENDED with the first few flattenings.

Now we have Governments financing whaling fleets , and huge customer demand.

Sort of hard to stop a ball rolling.


FF

[wardd]

all creatures have the intelligence they need to survive under their normal circumstances

we have gone that one step further and have the intelligence to destroy ourselves

i wonder who has the better quality of intelligence ?

[Anytec1210]

Seems like we have ended quite far from the original subject here. What would make a good Whale-hunter-hunter vessel?.

Perhaps we also can skipp all that solar power stuff and keep it to the real business.

My contribution is the Oberon. Fast (top at 28kn) and with a quite good range. A tool that you use quite efficient to disturb the whaling fleet even if I´m not sure about their ice performance.

Wow! That has to be one of the coolest-looking boats I have ever seen (not the paint). Something wud have to be done about waves hitting those forward-raked windows when the bow buries (a dodger in front) or very strong glass (probably at Richard's reccommendation). That boat looks designed to not get slowed down by head-seas - and that makes the windows additionally vulnerable. No place for a chopper on that, tho.
...I give up - I culdn't find that boat online. Can you post link for us to learn more?

Originally Posted by mark775

Wow! That has to be one of the coolest-looking boats I have ever seen (not the paint). Something wud have to be done about waves hitting those forward-raked windows when the bow buries (a dodger in front) or very strong glass (probably at Richard's reccommendation). That boat looks designed to not get slowed down by head-seas - and that makes the windows additionally vulnerable. No place for a chopper on that, tho.
...I give up - I culdn't find that boat online. Can you post link for us to learn more?

Damen yards Holland, Axe bow concept.

They dont dive the nose that much, Mark.

And they would make very poor performers in ice breaking. Ramming is the worst tactique in that business. But for a whale hunter hunter, thats no issue. The whaling boats are not better capable to operate in severe ice conditions than this vessel.

Regards
Richard

[Raggi_Thor]

And here you have the x-bow, with helicopter deck...

[Anytec1210]

Well I was trying to get back to the original question " what would the required attributes be of an effective purpose designed anti-whaling vessel?"

In this thread everything from solar power to the size of deer’s has been discussed but not that!! I would really like to hear some views on that. Not because I have any preset opinions for or against these activities, but for fun of hearing what kind of hardware some of you would put your funds in to if you where in Paul Watson’s shoes.

As said – I’ll go for the Sea Axe. Not to expensive. Fast with long range capabilities. Handles rough sea and able to carry a chopper and RIB’s. I would not like to hit ice with that, but I’m sure I would be able to be a serious pain in the but for the whaling fleet.

[wardd]

Originally Posted by Raggi_Thor

And here you have the x-bow, with helicopter deck...

kinda looks like it's capsized.

i saw some videos online of it passing a conventional ship in heavy seas, looked impressive

[wardd]

Originally Posted by Anytec1210

Well I was trying to get back to the original question " what would the required attributes be of an effective purpose designed anti-whaling vessel?"

In this thread everything from solar power to the size of deer’s has been discussed but not that!! I would really like to hear some views on that. Not because I have any preset opinions for or against these activities, but for fun of hearing what kind of hardware some of you would put your funds in to if you where in Paul Watson’s shoes.

As said – I’ll go for the Sea Axe. Not to expensive. Fast with long range capabilities. Handles rough sea and able to carry a chopper and RIB’s. I would not like to hit ice with that, but I’m sure I would be able to be a serious pain in the but for the whaling fleet.

armored hull, underwater bow ram

[tspeer]

Originally Posted by Anytec1210

Well I was trying to get back to the original question " what would the required attributes be of an effective purpose designed anti-whaling vessel?"

Wrong question. You should be asking, "What are the attributes of an anti-whaling system?"

You don't want a single ship. You need a pair of ships. With an anchor chain/cable stretched between them, ready for quick release. Run down either side of the whaling vessel, chain slides along the vessel's bottom, and wraps around the prop. Vessel neutralized, nobody gets hurt. No need to put any ships directly in harm's way.

Depending on how tight you can make the chain so it doesn't hang too deeply, the boats can be far enough apart to make it difficult to evade without a large course change on the part of the whaling vessel - which is valuable in its own right. Put buoys on the chain to support its own weight so it doesn't have to be taut at all, in which case it could be quite long indeed. Use the chain as a movable barrier between vessel and whale, and you've accomplished the goal without any damage to anybody. With the right tactics, such as positioning ahead of the whaler so the whaling vessel is the overtaking vessel or approaching from starboard, you could even arrange it so you have the COLREGS on your side.

I don't think you need a purpose-designed ship at all. Just a pair of trawlers would have all the gear necessary for the job.

[mydauphin]

Originally Posted by tspeer

Wrong question. You should be asking, "What are the attributes of an anti-whaling system?"

You don't want a single ship. You need a pair of ships. With an anchor chain/cable stretched between them, ready for quick release. Run down either side of the whaling vessel, chain slides along the vessel's bottom, and wraps around the prop. Vessel neutralized, nobody gets hurt. No need to put any ships directly in harm's way.

I don't think you need a purpose-designed ship at all. Just a pair of trawlers would have all the gear necessary for the job.

Cool, but you need ships that can do about 30 knots, those Japanese ships are built with fast hulls and lots of horsepower like a destroyer. You wont catch them with a 20 knot boat.