Delta and Bugel Anchors

[JCaprani]

Originally Posted by gonzo

So is digging a ditch. The technology of a shovel is the result of thousands of years of development. Do you work for free? Can I come over and take the food from your pantry? You claim the right to take what others worked for, are you being as generous with your own things?

Maybe we just see things a different way. Almost all people who can work do, and without the labour and effort of all or most, none can survive. I know, now I sound like a communist right?

Well I promise I'm not, just think that we all have a common debt to one another and in particular to the countless generations whose knowledge and work we have inherited simply through the good luck of being born after them.

Unless all are doing well, no-one is really well. 'I've got mine' is not a useful long-term gameplan.

I have worked for free for almost 9 months last year in return for learning new skills and knowledge. I'm going to do 6 months work unpaid in January, though I will get a bed and 3 square for that time. Once that is done I will crew (probably for free) on a boat for the opportunity to do some long distance sailing to remote places.

I have almost nothing except my toolkit and am happy to give my time for opportunities to do new or exciting things. Money is a poor reward for hours of your life that come only once. There are other ways for people to live, collaborate and trade beyond a protectionist market system.

If you call over before I leave I'll gladly give you a bacon sandwich and a cup of tea, we can chat some more.

I think it's time to close this thread soon, gone too far OT.

[gonzo]

If you learned skills and knowledge, your work was not for free. That is what I and thousands of other tradesmen did to learn. It is not so common any more. Unfortunately, it is causing many skills to disappear.

[Submarine Tom]

John,

I'm not deliberately misunderstanding you.

I am quite sure you are either to stubborn or too cheap to pay a miniscule amount of money for a set of plans that will save your buddy a huge freight bill ($$$). It seems simple to me.

Let us know how it works out.

-Tom

[sabahcat]

Originally Posted by JCaprani

Hello All,

A friend of mine is in a part of the world where many mass produced consurmer goods are not readily available. So, he wants to have the local smiths fabricate him a 25kg anchor. Does anyone have a set of patterns / plans / technical drawings suitable for one-off manufacture of a Delta or Bugel?

All the best,

John Caprani

There are plans (sort of) out there for other comparable arguably better anchors.

[BATAAN]

After making your new anchor, find a firm sand beach and tow it behind a truck and see how far it takes to dig into hard sand. You'll be educated.

[JCaprani]

Originally Posted by Submarine Tom

I am quite sure you are either to stubborn or too cheap to pay a miniscule amount of money for a set of plans that will save your buddy a huge freight bill ($$$). It seems simple to me.

Actually, there is a third option: too poor! If I had spare money to spend, I would happily pay a designer, if such a thing as a sole trader anchor designer actually exists.

Rather, I would suspect that items like anchors are mostly sold by specialist sub-companies of large industrial concerns, to which I feel no ethical obligations.

Anyway, thanks for those who've helped and given solid advice. I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread as it's gone way OT and taken up about more than an hour of my day!

[ancient kayaker]

Nice pictures of various types of anchor in Wikipedia with explanations of their principles of operation. Draw your friend's attention to it and let him run with the idea if he wants. In many parts of the World there are skilled craftsmen who can copy virtually anything.

However, please acknowledge the value of the mental effort that goes into invention, it's the principle thing that distinguishes us from animals. And once you have recognized that, you will see the violation of other people's intellectual rights in its true light, as the theft of something of value. If the design of a good anchor is of no value, why do you want it? I spent my entire working life generating intellectual property for my employers . . .

[gonzo]

The specialist sub-companies of large industrial concerns provide jobs for millions of people and feed their families. If it was up to you, they would lose their livelihood. What is your justification to have no ethical obligation? You sound like the typical egoist that believes the rules are for others and they have no obligation to the rest of society.