cruising costs, maintenance and price of the boat (sailboats versus motorboats)

[Vega]

I know how much custom boats cost on Europe (France, Holland). I have asked for prices
It seems they are not less expensive over there

Here a good custom 8/9T 40ft aluminium sailboat will cost about 400 000 euros, that is about 656 000 AUD. If I apply your rule it will give 800 000 AUD or about 487 000 euros. I believe that if I look for the very best quality I would have no trouble in finding 40ft custom sailboats with that price tag

[lazeyjack]

Originally Posted by Vega

I know how much custom boats cost on Europe (France, Holland). I have asked for prices
It seems they are not less expensive over there

Here a good custom 8/9T 40ft aluminium sailboat will cost about 400 000 euros, that is about 656 000 AUD. If I apply your rule it will give 800 000 AUD or about 487 000 euros. I believe that if I look for the very best quality I would have no trouble in finding 40ft custom sailboats with that price tag

it matter not abt the currancy will be 100000eu there, here 100000pacific pesos
USA etc etc

[Vega]

Lazy, I believe you will like these boats. They are simple, strong, and they are not bad sailing boats. They are made of Strongal (aluminium) and designed by JPB.

The guy that I was talking about, the one that chose to have an aluminium voyage boat without a freezer had one of those built for him.

[catmando2]

Originally Posted by Vega

Dave, give me an honest answer.

Suppose I want to buy your motorcat, fully equipped and all. Have a legitimate profit with your work and make a price that can really compensate you for your work and time.

How much?

Better be honest, otherwise you are going to have a lot of buyers .

I am not kidding you, I really am curious and not only your answer will be interesting to this thread, but it can also start a good business for you. I like your motorcat and if you can sell it for two times the price you say it costs to you, I believe you will find many future clients. You will be a wealthy man in no time .

How long's a piece of string ???

As there is nothing really like this on the market, as the owner's have no interest in selling ther home , it's a tough call to put a realistic price on her.

This style of vessel is a home for the owners, not just a weekend toy, or something to have a 4 week holiday on.

As a custom build I have not put a lot of thought as to what the masses think they would like in a boat, but have concentrated in what I want and need in a boat, so she will only appeal to a small percentage of the market.

Like you have said, she will cost a fair bit to park if left on a marina like most people do.

She'll travel to slow for a lot of people [10knot cruise] who are used and need to rush around.

She won't be set up with 4 queen size cabin's and 3 bathroom's.[but does have the space for 4 cabin layout later]

She won't have a myriad of electronic's [to fail]

She won't have lot's of shiny exotic looking timber inside, or leather lounges.

BUT

I reckon I can add a bit of this stuff later if this is what the market dictates.

I have no interest in getting back in the Boatbuilding game in OZ, overseas in Asia maybe, and this was the plan down the track when selling.

Get a team under my supervision, to paint out and line the back cabin's and put Queen size bed's in.

Convert our walk in wardrobe area into a head/shower combo.

Install some additional electronic's

Do a pretty but not necessarily functional fitout [ timber and leather ]

Re-paint.

And then sell to some cashed up bunny for heaps of $$$.

Back to the original question , How much?


I would have thought when we launch with minimul but enough electronic's inc fishfinder, Autopilot, VHF, midrange plotter,fuel flow gauges.

Oversized anchoring gear and winch.

comfortable but not flashy fitout[white polyurethane paint, minimal timber, cloth upholstery] basically a hose out interior.

Big refrigeration, and the panel's, power and batteries to run it.

Electric toilet and holding tank

Pressured water hot and cold

Big S/S gas BBQ

big computer/tv screen with computer/nav/music system


I would have thought realisticaly about 450,000 euro's or about $740,000Aud., though she'll owe me nothing remotely close to that, so I could afford to sell for less if the market dictated, without hurting.

I am just making these number's up , as I said nothing really to compare her to.

Flashy Schionning , Powerplay's etc that are 45 ft+ are selling for well over 700,000 euro new.


As for being a wealthy man in no time, we'll i've made more money in property in Australia in the last 10 years [the last 3 particlarly] , hardly cracking a sweat, than I could have made in 10 lifetimes as a boatbuilder, so i'll be taking no order's for boat's thank's.

Dave

[lazeyjack]

Originally Posted by Vega

Lazy, I believe you will like these boats. They are simple, strong, and they are not bad sailing boats. They are made of Strongal (aluminium) and designed by JPB.

The guy that I was talking about, the one that chose to have an aluminium voyage boat without a freezer had one of those built for him.

Nyet!!!
I hate those boats here is my new one

[Vega]

Originally Posted by lazeyjack

Nyet!!!
I hate those boats here is my new one

Sorry about that. They look a little bit crude to me, but on the whole I have to say I like them. And regardind 3d shape, not looking into details, they don't seem very diferent from yours

[Vega]

Originally Posted by catmando2

I would have thought realisticaly about 450,000 euro's or about $740,000Aud., though she'll owe me nothing remotely close to that, so I could afford to sell for less if the market dictated, without hurting.

...
Flashy Schionning , Powerplay's etc that are 45 ft+ are selling for well over 700,000 euro new.

As for being a wealthy man in no time, we'll i've made more money in property in Australia in the last 10 years [the last 3 particlarly] , hardly cracking a sweat, than I could have made in 10 lifetimes as a boatbuilder, so i'll be taking no order's for boat's thank's.

Dave

Thanks for your answer and I am sorry for not being able to reply sooner, but I have more work than what I can handle and no way to avoid it

If you join a rig to your boat it will cost even more. When you have said on post 289 that your boat would cost 140 000 Australian Dollars or 86 700 euros (I don’t know if you were considering electronics or not) obviously you were not considering the value (or price) of your own time.

I guess that if a guy is a talented handy man and has a poorly paid job it can make sense to build one’s own boat but if you earn more money than a boat builder, then it is just bad economics. Of course, even making no sense, economically speaking, one can have pleasure building a boat and that is a different ball game .

Your case is a special case because you have been a professional boatbuilder and not only a talented handy man, but even you say that you have earned more “money in property in Australia in the last 10 years …than I could have made in 10 lifetimes as a boatbuilder..” but I bet that if you were immersed in work building boats under pressure and working overtime, worried about clients and deliver times, you would not have the mental awareness to find and make good deals .

[lazeyjack]

Originally Posted by Vega

Thanks for your answer and I am sorry for not being able to reply sooner, but I have more work than what I can handle and no way to avoid it

If you join a rig to your boat it will cost even more. When you have said on post 289 that your boat would cost 140 000 Australian Dollars or 86 700 euros (I don’t know if you were considering electronics or not) obviously you were not considering the value (or price) of your own time.

I guess that if a guy is a talented handy man and has a poorly paid job it can make sense to build one’s own boat but if you earn more money than a boat builder, then it is just bad economics. Of course, even making no sense, economically speaking, one can have pleasure building a boat and that is a different ball game .

Your case is a special case because you have been a professional boatbuilder and not only a talented handy man, but even you say that you have earned more “money in property in Australia in the last 10 years …than I could have made in 10 lifetimes as a boatbuilder..” but I bet that if you were immersed in work building boats under pressure and working overtime, worried about clients and deliver times, you would not have the mental awareness to find and make good deals .

find a place to build a boat I will come there and do the hull, electrics, rails for 40 euros and hour, or if you find place for me to live, 30 euros)

[Vega]

Thanks Jack, but about boat prices, the Hull seems not to be a problem. I can get here a 43ft aluminium round hull for 80 000 euros. That boat when finished (electronics and all, with a good interior) is going to cost around 500 000 euros. I have money for the hull, I don't have money for the rest of it

[wellmer]

what about a cruising solution that has no need to go to a harbor or marina as it is absolute weather safe and burglar safe and never needs to be taken out of water - as suggested in (http://concretesubmarine.com) those are the mayor costs - anybody willing to explore concepts that go beyond ...
Cheers Wil

[Vega]

Originally Posted by wellmer

what about a cruising solution that has no need to go to a harbor or marina as it is absolute weather safe and burglar safe and never needs to be taken out of water - as suggested in (http://concretesubmarine.com) those are the mayor costs - anybody willing to explore concepts that go beyond ...
Cheers Wil

That's a new radical solution

By the way do you know somebody that had made extensive cruising (not distance, but time) or any link about cruising in a submarine? I would like to have a look.

[wellmer]

Originally Posted by Vega

That's a new radical solution

By the way do you know somebody that had made extensive cruising (not distance, but time) or any link about cruising in a submarine? I would like to have a look.

Hello Vega, ...yes Ben Franklin a 130 ton submarine- a cooperation of Jacques Piccard - and Grumman, made in summer 1969 a 2700 km submarine voyage in one single drift dive in Golf Stream all without engine use.

Cheers Wil

[wellmer]

here links to more info about Ben Franklin

http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/FRANKLI..._franklin.html

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=97...ll%26Ntx%3Dmod

e%2520matchall%26N%3D0%26Ns%3DHarvestDate%257c1

Cheers Wil

[Vega]

Two of the sailboats that I have considered on this thread have been recently awarded or chosen as the ideal boat by very knowledgeable people.

On post 364 I have said about the Malo 40:

“The Malo 40 Classic has a displacement of 8.6T a Loa of 12.7M, a 3.83 Beam, a 1.9 Draft and has tanks for 455L of water and 260L of fuel.
It carries 87.0 m2 of sail and has a 56hp engine.
The quality of the interior is perfect and the boat features a unique saloon table that can modify its size in a very particular way.

….these boats are solid and well built, with a very good stability and they are seaworthy boats.

About those, even if all have their special charm, the only one that is fast enough for me is the Malo. …..

I like this boat so much that if I can not find a faster one, or a nicer one with a deck saloon, it will be probably my choice.

http://www.maloyachts.se/Default.aspx?tabid=114

It seems that I am not the only one to like that boat. Cruising World magazine has chosen it as boat of the year 2007 (best midsize cruiser). They say about it:

“Summing up her feelings regarding the Malö, BOTY judge Stacey Collins said, "The minute I saw it at the dock, I thought, 'This is a boat that I can see sailing around the world in very easily.' It was rugged, great looking on the outside—pragmatic but handsome—and on the inside, sumptuous and elegant."
……
With roomy aft and forward berths, the boat would provide comfortable accommodations for two couples, he thought, and the size of the shower was impressive, as was the rotating table in the main saloon that could fold out to seat a crowd……And all agreed that the pair of chairs in the 40's saloon set the gold standard for comfort.

From a systems standpoint, it earned an "A" rating from Ed Sherman, a stickler for detail. He said, "It's a sweet-sailing boat. Everything on the boat that we tested was of maximum quality."

the judges concluded, the Malö offers true bluewater-sailing capabilities for a cruising couple"...

http://www.cruisingworld.com/article...=395&catID=687


About the Southerly 42, post 363 I have said:

....."it is almost impossible (if not impossible) to make a true deck-saloon in a boat smaller than 42ft, and manage to have a very good looking boat.

Perhaps the Southerly 42 has approached the best possible compromise between outside looks and deck-saloon interior space (that’s my wife’s preferred sailboat) but that one, at over 400 000 euros, is out of budget."

http://www.northshore.co.uk/index.ph...42rs/exterior2

Well, it looks that one of the best known sailing couples living aboard don’t have my limitations on what concerns money .

Paul and Sheryl Shard, the ones that have been making all those sail cruising movies that are popular on many cable channels, all those books and magazine articles are going to change their boat for a Southerly 42.

They have been cruising (45 000 miles) and living aboard for the last 20 years on their Classic 37 heavy displacement, self built boat. They have said about the Southerly 42:

“ After 18 years of cruising in our beloved “Two steps” we are looking for a new improved go anywhere cruiser ….the Southerly 42RST was our current odds on favorite even before we saw her at the boat show. We had sailed on a couple of Southerlies earlier and were impressed with them, but this model…looks just perfect”.