Concepts for Self-righting Aluminum Center Console

[Submarine Tom]

Originally Posted by ratrace2

Mark775:

Driving through that stuff with a boat that big is an "art form".....

I don't think--I don't know--if you could teach that to someone who don't "get it" in the first place.

I was just thinking, could you imagine building that kind of capactiy it the average sportfisherman?? Cobo, Viking, Witicar, Viceum, Luhrs?

What do you think would happen? Would we be any better off for it??

Ah, no.

I concur. No.
There are things one can do to make them better sea boats, to be sure but everything is a trade-off. For example, Bayliners are a great boat...for the right use (protected water). They have more features per dollar. Step up a bit to boats you talk about and you can venture further out. They are doing things like not putting windows up front, using better adhesives to glue cap to hull and insuring that screws actually bite into something. They are learning through experience what breaks and making it a little stronger. But if they redesign to make a sportfisherman a sea boat, it will be expensive, they will not be what people want, and the thing will only need these features once in a blue moon. Ten, or twenty, years with a fleet of boats not needing to take a wave like that and the next generation of boats will have more parsley and less beef.
Lets say a charter boat can take a hit like that. It would be expensive to build. It would be slow or very expensive to power. It would not be very accomodating. It would be ugly, cold, hot, clammy, loud, have little fishing space, and the charter would have to pay more for it. Remember, the guys on that boat (47'? New to me) are strapped in and may not survive. Avoid the situation and the need for such a boat evaporates.
The short answer is "no".

[ratrace2]

How about just bringing those sportfiermen up to just 50% of the capacity of a boat like the "Morro Bay"?

Don't forget to factor in lower insurance cost, lower loss of life, longer service life, more stable platform to refit, greater public reputation as a "safe" boat.

5 good reasons.

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by ratrace2

How about just bringing those sportfiermen up to just 50% of the capacity

There's allways been some better and safer boats but, just becouse the reasons Mark stated, they remain as "some" and quite rare compared to the mainstream..

The boat is named the "Morro Bay"? I thought that was the place about which you were talking. I'm way off, anyway, I was thinking of Depot Bay. Subchapter "T" boats, "T-Boats", for short, are about what you are talking about at 50% more seaworthy than a typical production boat. People don't pay more to get on a "T-boat" - they actually pay less on a per-person basis.
It's a sick world but indulge me here. Many accidents happened because people were making money carrying people to Cuba, or wherever, way back when (I don't want to research specifics) on damned-near anything that floated. Congress passed laws to save lives and the "Inspected" boat was born. Lawyers bleated because they lost their right-offs and their doctor clients lost their right-offs. An exemption was made whereby it is perfectly satisfactory to kill six people (the six-pac) but to carry a seventh, a boat has to be inspected (an involved process, including construction). Today, that is subchapter "T" of the Code of Federal Regulations. Congress looked like they were doing something, tax right-offs continued and people continue to die, but usuallly not in as large of numbers.
I hesitate to say this but a well found six-pac can be a better boat than a poorly kept inspected boat. A single big difference that seperates is that non-inspected boats don't have freeing ports and watertight decks, as a rule. They should.

[wardd]

couldnt you hag the boat under something like the Hindenburg?

[ratrace2]

I looked and found the "reall Morro bay".


I think you were right "mark775"

[ratrace2]

Originally Posted by wardd

couldnt you hag the boat under something like the Hindenburg?

OK, you get to do the stablity calc's for the boat. OK, ........Drop and give me 50.

I want you to go knock on the door . . . .and say. . .there were no survivors of the boat (bla..bla...bla). Mr/Mrs.....

Your son/daughters are lost at sea. . . . ..

[ratrace2]

Originally Posted by mark775

The boat is named the "Morro Bay"? I thought that was the place about which you were talking. I'm way off, anyway, I was thinking of Depot Bay. Subchapter "T" boats, "T-Boats", for short, are about what you are talking about at 50% more seaworthy than a typical production boat. People don't pay more to get on a "T-boat" - they actually pay less on a per-person basis.
It's a sick world but indulge me here. Many accidents happened because people were making money carrying people to Cuba, or wherever, way back when (I don't want to research specifics) on damned-near anything that floated. Congress passed laws to save lives and the "Inspected" boat was born. Lawyers bleated because they lost their right-offs and their doctor clients lost their right-offs. An exemption was made whereby it is perfectly satisfactory to kill six people (the six-pac) but to carry a seventh, a boat has to be inspected (an involved process, including construction). Today, that is subchapter "T" of the Code of Federal Regulations. Congress looked like they were doing something, tax right-offs continued and people continue to die, but usuallly not in as large of numbers.
I hesitate to say this but a well found six-pac can be a better boat than a poorly kept inspected boat. A single big difference that seperates is that non-inspected boats don't have freeing ports and watertight decks, as a rule. They should.

Right, got'ya. sure. "it is a sick world"
. . . .so right you are. .. ..

[TeddyDiver]

Found again the "lost" vid of the (now forbidden I think) boat practicies in the Morro Bay.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF_6gPlbf54&NR=1