Coast Guard Fleet fiascos

[brian eiland]

BILLIONS LATER
Four years after the Coast Guard began an effort to replace nearly its
entire fleet of ships, planes and helicopters, the modernization program
heralded as a model of government innovation is foundering. The initial
venture - converting rusting 110-foot patrol boats, the workhorses of the
Coast Guard, into more versatile 123-foot cutters - has been canceled after
hull cracks and engine failures made the first eight boats unseaworthy.
Plans to build a new class of 147-foot ships with an innovative hull have
been halted after the design was found to be flawed. And the first completed
new ship - a $564 million behemoth christened last month - has structural
weaknesses that some Coast Guard engineers believe may threaten its safety
and limit its life span, unless costly repairs are made.

The problems have helped swell the costs of the fleet-building program to a
projected $24 billion, from $17 billion, and delayed the arrival of any new
ships or aircraft. That has compromised the Coast Guard's ability to fulfill
its mission, which greatly expanded after the 2001 attacks to include
guarding the nation's shores against terrorists. The service has been forced
to cut back on patrols and, at times, ignore tips from other federal
agencies about drug smugglers. The difficulties will only grow more acute in
the next few years as old boats fail and replacements are not ready.

Eric Lipton, New York Time, full story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/09/us/09ship.html


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Brian noted: There have been a number of occassions where a link to a newspaper article 'disappears' after a time , so I thought it might be prudent to post the article as well. I once tried to get a proposal for a multihulled coastal vessel before the Coast Guard when they were replacing their 82s with the 87s, but their response was it was unproven technology, even while they were in successful use in Australia.

Failure to Navigate

Billions Later, Plan to Remake the Coast Guard Fleet Stumbles
By ERIC LIPTON
WASHINGTON, Dec. 8 — Four years after the Coast Guard began an effort to replace nearly its entire fleet of ships, planes and helicopters, the modernization program heralded as a model of government innovation is foundering.

The initial venture — converting rusting 110-foot patrol boats, the workhorses of the Coast Guard, into more versatile 123-foot cutters — has been canceled after hull cracks and engine failures made the first eight boats unseaworthy.

Plans to build a new class of 147-foot ships with an innovative hull have been halted after the design was found to be flawed.

And the first completed new ship — a $564 million behemoth christened last month — has structural weaknesses that some Coast Guard engineers believe may threaten its safety and limit its life span, unless costly repairs are made.

The problems have helped swell the costs of the fleet-building program to a projected $24 billion, from $17 billion, and delayed the arrival of any new ships or aircraft.

That has compromised the Coast Guard’s ability to fulfill its mission, which greatly expanded after the 2001 attacks to include guarding the nation’s shores against terrorists. The service has been forced to cut back on patrols and, at times, ignore tips from other federal agencies about drug smugglers. The difficulties will only grow more acute in the next few years as old boats fail and replacements are not ready.

Adm. Thad W. Allen, who took over as Coast Guard commandant in May, acknowledged that the program had been troubled and said that he had begun to address the problems. “You will see changes shortly in the Coast Guard in our acquisition organization,” Admiral Allen said. “It will be significantly different than we have done in the past.”

The modernization effort was a bold experiment, called Deepwater, to build the equivalent of a modest navy — 91 new ships, 124 small boats, 195 new or rebuilt helicopters and planes and 49 unmanned aerial vehicles.

Instead of doing it piecemeal, the Coast Guard decided to package everything, in hopes that the fleet would be better integrated and its multibillion price would command attention from a Congress and White House traditionally more focused on other military branches. And instead of managing the project itself, the Coast Guard hired Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, two of the nation’s largest military contractors, to plan, supervise and deliver the new vessels and helicopters.

Many retired Coast Guard officials, former company executives and government auditors fault that privatization model, saying it allowed the contractors at times to put their interests ahead of the Guard’s.

“This is the fleecing of America,” said Anthony D’Armiento, a systems engineer who has worked for Northrop and the Coast Guard on the project. “It is the worst contract arrangement I’ve seen in all my 20 plus years in naval engineering.”

Insufficient oversight by the Coast Guard resulted in the service buying some equipment it did not want and ignoring repeated warnings from its own engineers that the boats and ships were poorly designed and perhaps unsafe, the agency acknowledged. The Deepwater program’s few Congressional skeptics were outmatched by lawmakers who became enthusiastic supporters, mobilized by an aggressive lobbying campaign financed by Lockheed and Northrop.

And the contractors failed to fulfill their obligation to make sure the government got the best price, frequently steering work to their subsidiaries or business partners instead of competitors, according to government auditors and people affiliated with the program.

Even some of the smaller Deepwater projects raise questions about management. The radios placed in small, open boats were not waterproof and immediately shorted out, for example. Electronics equipment costing millions of dollars is still being installed in the new cutter, even though it will be ripped out because the Coast Guard does not want it. An order of eight small, inflatable boats cost an extra half-million dollars because the purchase passed through four layers of contractors.

For the Department of Homeland Security, which took over responsibility for the Coast Guard in 2003, Deepwater joins its already long list of troubled programs, including its airport checkpoint measures, its biodefense efforts and its widely condemned handling of the response to Hurricane Katrina.

The Homeland Security Department’s inspector general has warned that the department cannot repeat this experience as it begins a $7 billion plan to tighten the border. The department is taking a similar management approach with that plan, relying on the Boeing Corporation to develop, supervise and execute the strategy.

Spokesmen for Northrop and Lockheed, and the partnership they formed to run Deepwater, declined repeated requests for interviews, saying they would leave it to the Coast Guard to discuss the project. The companies also declined to respond to written questions.

Admiral Allen said the Coast Guard engineers and procurement staff team would now play a much larger role in overseeing the project in an effort to rein in its private sector partners, adding that the mistakes made were unacceptable.

“Our people are demoralized by it, they don’t deserve it, and it really impedes our ability to execute our mission,” he said.

Early Warnings

On a clear, calm morning in Key West, Fla., one day last month — perfect weather for running drugs and migrants — six of the eight converted Coast Guard patrol boats were broken down or out of service. Their crews had little to do but shine the ships’ already gleaming bells and clean its guns.

The Deepwater plan called for transforming the 110-foot boats into larger, more versatile cutters with rebuilt hulls, new communications and surveillance gear and a 13-foot extension to make room for a small boat launch ramp.

Even before the refurbishing began in 2003, though, Coast Guard engineers expressed doubts that the boats could bear the extra weight the changes would impose. “You could have buckling of the structure of the ship,” Chris Cleary, of the Engineering Logistics Center at the Coast Guard, said he recalls pointing out. But Bollinger Shipyards, a business partner of Northrop and Lockheed, insisted the conversion would succeed.

As the work got under way, the Coast Guard provided only limited oversight. It did not fill dozens of its seats on joint management teams set up for the project. And the Coast Guard assigned seven inspectors to monitor the work, compared with 20 on a similar-size job.

“In theory, we were going drive a 110-foot cutter up to the pier, drop it off and come back in 34 weeks to pick up a 123-foot cutter,” said Lt. Benjamin Fleming, the Coast Guard’s representative at the shipyard in Lockport, La. “We were putting a lot of trust and faith in our partners.”

Michael De Kort, a former Lockheed project manager, said the results quickly became apparent.

The VHF radio on the small launch would be exposed to the elements but was not waterproof, Mr. De Kort said. The classified communications equipment had not been properly shielded to protect messages from eavesdropping. Cameras intended to provide 360-degree surveillance had two large blind spots.

Mr. De Kort said he had repeatedly warned his Lockheed supervisors of the problems, but was rebuffed. “We have an approved design and we aren’t going to change it,” Mr. De Kort said he was told. He was later laid off from the company. Lockheed officials declined to comment.

In September 2004, more serious flaws in the boat conversion program became obvious after the first one, the Matagorda, was launched. As it traveled in relatively heavy seas from Key West to Miami, large cracks appeared in the hull and deck.

Giant steel straps that looked like Band-Aids were affixed to the side of the boats, and the vessels were barred from venturing out in rough water. But cracks and bulges continued to scar the Matagorda and other converted ships, followed by a series of mechanical problems.

Bollinger, it turned out, had overestimated how much stress the modified boats could handle, a miscalculation it cannot fully explain. “The computer broke for some reason,” said T. R. Hamlin, a senior Bollinger manager. “Whether it was a power surge or something, who knows?” The cursory oversight by the Coast Guard meant the mistake was not caught in time.

After spending about $100 million on the first eight boats, the Coast Guard suspended the conversion plan. Last week, Admiral Allen ordered the boats taken out of service, citing concerns about crew safety.

Facing a shortage of patrol boats, the contractors and the Coast Guard decided to speed development of a larger ship, the Fast Response Cutter. The hull was to be built from glass-reinforced plastic, known as a composite, something never tried on a large American military ship.

While acknowledging that it might cost much more to build the 58 planned cutters with composite hulls instead of steel, Northrop and Lockheed claimed the boats would last longer and require less maintenance, saving money over the long run.

Coast Guard engineers again were doubtful that Northrop’s design would work, citing concerns about weight, hull shape and fuel consumption. The Coast Guard also found inconsistencies in the cost data Northrop used to justify the new hull.

One former Northrop executive said the company was pushing the plan not because it was in the best interest of the Coast Guard, but because Northrop had just spent $64 million to turn its shipyard in Gulfport, Miss., into the country’s first large-scale composite hull manufacturing plant for military ships.

“It was a pure business decision,” said the former executive, who disagreed with the plan and would speak only anonymously for fear of retribution. “And it was the wrong one.”

That became clear when a scale model of the Fast Response Cutter was placed in a tank of water — and flunked the test. After three years and $38 million, Northrop Grumman’s plan was suspended.

Financial Aid

The Coast Guard recognized from the start that it might need help financing a project as big as Deepwater, and that was part of the reason it turned to Lockheed and Northrop.

“They have armies of lobbyists, they can help get dollars to get the job done,” explained Jim McEntire, a retired captain who had served as a senior Coast Guard budget official. “The White House and Congress listen to big industrial concerns.”

That assistance would prove valuable. Just months after the contract was awarded in June 2002 through a competitive bidding process, the Coast Guard began to study whether the $17 billion Deepwater budget would be inadequate, given additional costs for antiterrorism equipment. In 2005, the service informed Congress that the program would cost $24 billion over 20 years and that the annual allocation would need to double, to $1 billion.

By then, though, the patrol boat conversion had been halted. Deepwater’s costs were ballooning, but the Coast Guard was having a hard time explaining exactly how it would spend more money. Government auditors were starting to churn out reports warning of serious management weaknesses.

That record disturbed some members of Congress. In May 2005, the House Appropriations Committee slashed the program’s annual budget request nearly in half to register its frustration.

At a hearing two months later, Representative Harold Rogers, a Kentucky Republican who oversees the Homeland Security budget, instructed the Coast Guard to fix its problems and restrain costs. “You simply took the most expensive, all-inclusive Cadillac Seville and we’re going to have to, with our limited funds, fit you into something a bit more appropriate,” Mr. Rogers said. “I hope it’s more than a Chevrolet.”

To fight back, the Coast Guard and contractors relied on Congressional allies, led by Senator Olympia J. Snowe, Republican of Maine, Representative Frank A. LoBiondo, Republican of New Jersey, and Representative Gene Taylor, Democrat of Mississippi.

Mr. Taylor and Mr. LoBiondo had formed a group called the Congressional Coast Guard Caucus. It began in the late 1990s with 4 members and today has more than 75.

The enthusiasm of the three leaders for the Deepwater project was not simply about meeting the Coast Guard’s needs. Maine is home to Bath Iron Works, a major ship builder that Ms. Snowe said might benefit from increased Deepwater spending. While that was a factor, she said it was not her primary motivation.

Ms. Snowe and Mr. LoBiondo, the leaders of the Senate and House panels that oversee the Coast Guard, said they pushed for more spending only after the service’s leaders reassured them during hearings that they were addressing the program’s problems. They both also said they were convinced that the Coast Guard desperately needed Deepwater because its helicopter engines were routinely breaking down and the hulls of old ships were failing.

“We don’t want to waste money; we don’t want ineffective programs,” Ms. Snowe said in an interview. “At the same time, we can’t allow the Coast Guard to languish.”

Mr. Taylor’s district is home to Northrop Grumman’s shipyard in Pascagoula, Miss., which is building the Coast Guard’s largest ship, and Northrop and its employees are one of his biggest sources of campaign contributions. He worked along with two key Republicans in Mississippi — Senator Trent Lott, whose father was once a pipe fitter at the Pascagoula shipyard, and Senator Thad Cochran, the chairman of the Senate appropriations committee — to win more money.

Mr. LoBiondo’s district is home to the Coast Guard’s national training center, and Lockheed Martin built its Deepwater equipment testing center just outside his district. He is also one of the top Congressional recipients of Lockheed contributions.

The contractors ran advertisements aimed at lawmakers in Washington publications, delivering ominous messages about the need to stop terrorists before they reach American shores. The Navy League, a nonprofit group partly financed by Lockheed and Northrop, orchestrated telephone calls, letters and visits to lawmakers, reminding them that hundreds of contractors across the country were already working as suppliers on the project.

And the Coast Guard got an important boost when it was widely praised for its helicopter rescues after Hurricane Katrina.

The lobbying effort paid off. In September 2005, Congress agreed to increase the annual financing for Deepwater to nearly $1 billion.

Late Scramble

If there was a single ship that could prove to skeptics that the Coast Guard and its contractors could get the job done right, it would be the National Security Cutter, a ship unlike anything the Coast Guard had ever built. Bigger than any existing cutter, it was more like a warship, designed to patrol with Navy vessels.

It would carry sophisticated weapons systems, surveillance equipment, a helicopter and two unmanned aerial vehicles, all vital in its effort to intercept boats suspected of carrying terrorists, drug dealers or illegal immigrants. It was designed to monitor 56,000 square miles a day, an area four times as large as that covered by any other Coast Guard ship.

Because the ship was so expensive — each was expected to cost about $300 million — the Coast Guard decided to build only 8 to replace its fleet of 12 large cutters.

There was just one catch. Even before the cutter began taking form at the Pascagoula shipyard on the Gulf of Mexico, familiar problems cropped up.

The Coast Guard’s engineers believed the design proposed by Northrop and Lockheed had serious structural flaws that could result in the hull collapsing or premature cracking of the hull and deck, according to Mr. Cleary and his boss, Rubin Sheinberg, chief of the Coast Guard’s naval architecture branch.

When they alerted the contractors and Coast Guard officials, they were largely brushed off, the men said. In March 2004, their supervisor protested, saying the Coast Guard should delay construction.

“Significant problems persist with the structural design,” Rear Adm. Erroll M. Brown wrote to the Deepwater project director. “Several of these problems compromise the safety and the viability of the hull, possibly resulting in structural failure and unacceptable hull vibration.”

The Coast Guard decided to move ahead anyway, figuring it would be less disruptive to fix any problems later. As the shipbuilding progressed, other Coast Guard officials began to openly complain that some decisions by the contractors appeared to be motivated by a drive to increase profits, not to best serve the Coast Guard.

Lockheed, for example, ordered computerized consoles for the ship that it had developed for a Navy aircraft carrier. But they were too big for the cutter, said Jay A. Creech, a retired Coast Guard captain working as a contractor on Deepwater.

A consultant hired by the Coast Guard to review Northrop and Lockheed’s purchasing decisions found that of $210 million worth of contracts awarded in 2004, just 30 percent involved a formal competitive process. Northrop in particular was faulted for failing to aggressively seek bids to ensure the best price.

Northrop and Lockheed “lack the independence needed to make objective decisions in the best interests of the Coast Guard,” an August 2006 report by the Homeland Security inspector general said.

Others say that giving the contractors so much authority was a mistake from the start. “A contractor with a profit motive is never a trusted agent,” said Joe Ryan, a Coast Guard consultant who has helped with the Deepwater project. “They are the vendor, and they are selling you something.”

Problems began to accumulate elsewhere. In Texas, a prototype of the unmanned aerial vehicle that was to be placed on the ship’s deck crashed this year. After the crash, the project, by Bell Helicopter, also faced a money crunch and was put on hold, pushing delivery back to at least 2013, six years after the first national security cutter is scheduled for active duty. Without the two aerial vehicles, the cutter’s surveillance range is reduced by more than half.

By the time the ship was christened last month, its price had grown to $564 million, nearly twice its original cost. (The average price for the eight ships is expected to be $431 million.) And by then, Coast Guard officials had conceded that the ship had structural flaws. Navy experts had evaluated the ship and confirmed many of the earlier warnings.

Admiral Allen said he had been given assurances that the ship was not at risk of a catastrophic hull failure and would not pose a safety threat to its crew. But the Coast Guard has decided to make structural modifications to the vessel and require design changes for the third cutter. Work is too far along to change course on the second cutter.

Four years into the Deepwater project, the Coast Guard, according to its original plan, was supposed to have 26 new or rebuilt ships, 12 new planes and 8 unmanned vehicles, but none are available. Now, officials are scrambling to find an off-the-shelf design for a new cutter and make modest repairs to keep their aging patrol boats operable.

“We don’t have the ships we need, and we don’t have a way to get them anytime soon,” said Representative David R. Obey, Democrat of Wisconsin, who will take over the House Appropriations Committee next month. “It’s inexcusable.”

The Coast Guard, which would not disclose the management fees it has paid Northrop and Lockheed, is renegotiating the contract to ensure that the companies honor a commitment to open the work to competition and deliver what they promise.

And Admiral Allen and other Coast Guard officials say the Coast Guard’s engineers are being given more power to supervise the work. Admiral Allen is also creating a division to oversee the procurement and maintenance of its ships and airplanes. “That is the main gap that needs to be closed,” he said.

The Deepwater experiment, one contracting expert said, underscores the need for the Coast Guard to be a smart buyer, even if it has hired high-priced advice.

“The government still needs to be in there so they know what decisions are being made and if the decisions are in their best interest,” said Michele Mackin, an assistant director at the Government Accountability Office. “It is still their money. And they are going to be flying the planes and running the ships.”

[messabout]

I was a Coastie in the distant past. I still maintain some pride in having served, and more pride in the Coast Guard itself. As much as I love 'em they have disappointed me in this fiasco. The Coast guard has some very competant and experienced naval architects and engineers. They dropped the ball on this one. Or is this a result of political maneuvering ?

The Coast Guard has been underfunded since its inception by Alexander Hamilton. The navy gets the big bucks and the coasties get hand me downs that the navy doesnt use anymore. Ask me about working on junk three inch fifties (deck guns) that were navy throwaways. This bit of business was an ill advised political method for getting respectable equipment competant to do the assigned job.

The whole defense contracting business is characterized by exhorbitant prices, cost over runs, and too often, outright fraud. The Washington beaureaucrats do not seem to know about, or care about fundamental admonitions like Caveat Emptor !

I am hurt because the Coast guard , these days, has a mission that goes well beyond painting bouys, and polishing fresnel lenses in lighthouses. Our national security is in question here, and my guys are going to be chastised for lack of oversight on this project and lack of ability to fulfil their responsibility for want of adequate equipment. Meanwhile fat cats at Northrup, Lockheed, Halliburton, KBR and others will prosper. Her's hoping that some of the executive class perpetrators of those companies will drown for want of Coast Guard rescue capability. Semper Paratus

[Kay9]

I too was in the Cg for 6 years in the late 70s to mid 80s. Back then and even long before then the CG seemed to know that thier best ship was the Whale catcher hull. Modertly fast, great seakeeping and long range. Not comfortable, not pretty, not sleek like a DD or a modern frigate, but oh so very very usefull. Most of the MEC's ( medium endurance cutters ) I served on had less then 12' draft giveing them access to the places pirates like to hide.

The CG and before the RMCS, was never meant to be the Navy. The CGs job has allways been to hunt down and catch the civil bad guys of the sea, and the CG should build thier ships with this goal in mind, not the goal of staying in step with a naval task force. If the CG is running with the Navy then just use the Navy. A Coast Guard Cutter works alone and independantly on the high seas. The Coast Guard dose not project US naval might, nor should it. If you cant do the 3 basic sea going jobs of the US Coast Guard, off the cutter you are buying then you have wasted your money. ( Law enforcement, AtoN, life saving ).

However with all of that said, I know whithout a doubt that the men and women of the USCG will take the present ships that are being built, and creatively use them to preform the unbelievable with the unusable, that is truly the legacy of the USCG, and it is the reason people like myself, have such a fierce pride for having served in the CG. It was never about the equipment. It has ALLWAYS been about the people.

You have to go out but you dont have to come back.
Semper Paratus.

[brian eiland]

Originally Posted by messabout

They dropped the ball on this one. Or is this a result of political maneuvering ?

The whole defense contracting business is characterized by exhorbitant prices, cost over runs, and too often, outright fraud. The Washington beaureaucrats do not seem to know about, or care about fundamental admonitions like Caveat Emptor !

Meanwhile fat cats at Northrup, Lockheed, Halliburton, KBR and others will prosper. Here's hoping that some of the executive class perpetrators of those companies will drown for want of Coast Guard rescue capability. Semper Paratus

You are exactly right Messabout. These defense contractors have grown into the monster that Eisenhower warned us about as he was leaving office:

President Dwight Eisenhower, January 17, 1961

My fellow Americans, this evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen. We have been compelled to create a permanent armament industry of vast proportions. Three-and-a-half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. The total influence, economic, political, even spiritual, is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development, yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

I wanted to post this message for two reasons. First, I have always felt the Coast Guard got the 'short end' as well.

Secondly, when are we Americans going to wake up to the fact that our military-industrial complex has gotten totally out of hand and we need new controls on the situation!! There's a revolving door down here in Washington DC that permits the Congressmen and their staff to 'retire' into a sweet heart job with the military contractors and turn around to help influence the new Congressmen into more military spending. It has developed into a whole life of its own, that not even Congress can track, as the Defense Dept no longer must document their spending, and no one is allowed to audit them.

I don't think there is one single defense contract that has been bid at 'its real projected cost' (all are under-bid to get the project and the work), and not one of them is completed at the bid price!!

This is all catching up with us very quickly. We've got tons of 4-5 years of worn out Iraq equipment to replace, along with some VERY expensive new projects that are running 2.5-3 times over-budget, and a lot of other totally wasteful spending not even on the radar.

And the same companies are in charge that just screwed up a simple little low-tech ship project !!!

[kach22i]

By the time the ship was christened last month, its price had grown to $564 million, nearly twice its original cost.

And they bust when you take off the wrapping, just great.

A consultant hired by the Coast Guard to review Northrop and Lockheed’s purchasing decisions found that of $210 million worth of contracts awarded in 2004, just 30 percent involved a formal competitive process. Northrop in particular was faulted for failing to aggressively seek bids to ensure the best price.

Somebody has greasy palms I bet.

[longliner45]

lets focus on the real problem,,,,its not the coast guard,,its the polititions who provide the funding for them ,,when they arent too busy with thier own pork barral projects,,,if more people would slow down and study for a moment and see the real problem,,,this thread would be called govt fiascos,,,,,,,the boys in the field are fantastic,,,,,,,,longliner

[Tim B]

Surely this is a good example of why the RNLI have got it right. They spend time and money researching, designing and testing each new boat in house, then phase it in gradually, after a considerable sea trial.

Everybody knows its pretty silly just to update the whole fleet all at once. especially if it's a big fleet.

Cheers,

Tim B.

[Frosty]

What you need is a President--No President a proper one, not an ex movie star, or a baffoon that runs round the office with his pants round his ankles, or a man that cant say nuclear and didnt even have a passport. Jeeess.

[FAST FRED]

"The whole defense contracting business is characterized by exhorbitant prices, cost over runs, and too often, outright fraud. The Washington beaureaucrats do not seem to know about, or care about fundamental admonitions like Caveat Emptor !"

Attempting to correct this is why Rumsfeld was so hated and was finally fired.

Since WW1 the politicos have considered ca$h to their district far more important than "national security".

This is why we have hundreds of old useless bases never being closed, useless weapon systems , and choices for aircraft that are dumb, unless you have to be re-elected where the trash is built.

The military DOES NOT get to select the weapons systems , politicos DO!

IF the SEC D cant stop it , without being fire , no one can.

But it is far less the fault of the weapons builders than the elected scum from each "I want mine " district.

FF

[Crag Cay]

RNLI have got it right

The RNLI actually has a very mixed record on developing new vessels. It wasn't so long ago that it was totally entrenched in the 'active self righting' mind set that comdemned many crews to spend hours stood out in appalling weather, in slow open boats, years after viable alternatives had been available. (www.wellslifeboat.org/silver.htm)

In the end the only way they could move forward was to buy a design from the US CoastGuard. And after decades of service, many of these same 44 ft boats have now been moved on to New Zealand where they continue to save lives.

The RNLI is lucky in that it is very well funded by voluntary subsciption and has total control over it's own 'mission profile'. But still, like many big organisations, change and adapting to new realities (use of hover craft, jet boats, higher speed crafts, professional stations, etc) doesn't always come easily to it. Ironically, for an organisation that is happy to operate in a 'high risk' environment at sea, it is sometimes hampered by the biggest risk of all; that of making a humiliating mistake that would lose them public support.

*******
As an aside, it always tickles me to see the pride and loyalty that exists in the Republic of Ireland for the RNLI lifeboats they operate. Years after independence, there's nowhere that I've seen with more pride and suport for the 'Royal' National Lifeboat Institution than on the west coast of the Republic.

[PI Design]

I think defence contracting is a really massive challenge for the US over the next 50 years. Examples of poor project management are by no means unique to the US, virtually every major UK defence project of recent years has been massively overspent. The differnce is that UK projects are peanuts compared to US ones, so that a 30% overspend is much more manageable (even if still undesirable). Couple this with the fact that UK defence projects have alays had a budget whereas I think I'm right in saying that the Joint Strike Fighter was the first US project ever to have a predefined budget! The US culture seems to be to throw money at the project to develop the biggest, most advanced solution around. When Russia was the enemy that was okay, 'cos they had less money and ran out first. Now that he enemy is terrorists, who use $5 explosives to fight with, the asymmetry in budgets is massive. Spending billions to fight this threat looks uneconomical, OVERspending by billions looks impossible to sustain. Your defence budgets and overspends make our problems pale into insignificance, yet, per head, you are not really any wealthier as a nation. Public attitude will swiftly turn against such profligacy, but changing the mindset of an industry that's had it so good for so long will be extremely difficult.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by longliner45

lets focus on the real problem,,,,its not the coast guard,,its the polititions who provide the funding for them

Good point, so who is at the helm?

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by PI Design

The US culture seems to be to throw money at the project to develop the biggest, most advanced solution around. When Russia was the enemy that was okay, 'cos they had less money and ran out first. Now that he enemy is terrorists, who use $5 explosives to fight with, the asymmetry in budgets is massive.

Excellent point, but I don't see an easy fix. We need to fix this, lives are at stake and the CG can't perform it's mission now..

[PI Design]

My personal opinion is that more much smaller craft is a better bet than fewer bigger ones, in the current climate. Sure, you still need some Offshore Patrol Vessels or Economic Exclusion Zone vessels, but I was interested to note the intention to increase one class from 110ft to 123ft. In my view, that is wrong. For the same price, you could have several smaller boats, which are still more than capable of performing most tasks, can cover a wider geogprahic area and have (through sheer numbers) greater redundancy. The asymmetry is also reduced.

Short term fix? Not sure there is one... it's going to be long struggle.

[brian eiland]

Originally Posted by FAST FRED

Attempting to correct this is why Rumsfeld was so hated and was finally fired.FF

Well I can't agree with that statement. Rumsfield was so hated due to his conduct of this war.

His adminstrative capabilities were very good, and his goals to streamline the Def Dept were good. He just got sidetracked with this admin's goal to go to war. And he was primarily influenced by Cheney, his good buddy. The two of them conspired against the wisdom of Colin Powell who 'overshadowed' Cheney when the two of them worked at DOD under Bush senior.
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