Cheap efficient wooden boat design - Cambodia

[Alik]

There was FPR longtail program funded by international funds, just after Tsunami disaster. Seems like failed project, the boats were much lighter, less seaworthy and less safe.

I understand that FPR will come one day for fishing boats here because cost of wood is increasing. But this will require changes for whole system of building/operation, not just change of boat design

Alik, that was a bit "diplomatic" hähh?
And yes, or no?

[Alik]

Just read this, see what people say in comments about FRP fishing boats:
http://www.scandasia.com/viewNews.ph...6&coun_code=th

We designed that yellow rescue boat, by the way. It was completed and is in service despite all problems with funding.

Jahh, I see
Oversupply of boats
It has been reported in Thai media that there has been an excess supply of 24,000 new longtail boats while the total loss in the whole ******* region was only 4,700 fishing boats. This enormous focus on fishing boats aid exploded as a result of the extensive public attention to tragedy in the fishing village of Baan Nam Khem in Phang Nga.
But Lisbeth and Morten does not recognize this problem in the Krabi area. They did, however, notice how dockyard owners profitted on construction of overpriced boats and they have heard rumours – which cannot be verified – that boats distributed from authorities were first and foremost given to personal friends.
“We said no to support the Governor to build new boats as the price on construction went up a lot,” says Lisbeth.
Along the way they have also personally come across some Thais who tried to fool them; non-boat owners who came to them claiming they had lost their boats.
“My observation - and the reason why we focused on Krabi - is that it got a lot less of attention. Fewer knew of Krabi and it did not have the same large numbers in loss of life but a lot more in material,” explains Morten.
Created 2007-01-12

[peterAustralia]

to Alik,

well lots in this thread have tried to help, we all seem to get a bit of a brush off (perhaps a too harsh a term). Now I will admit that it is being done in a most polite way, and in no way have you been rude. But what I am getting at, is if our ideas are no good, do you have some better ideas of your own? Do the people in Cambodia have any ideas that they have discussed with you.

It is ok to throw stones.. but what are your idea,, you must have some

[petethai]

Originally Posted by Gannet

http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/y5649e/y5649e00.htm

.................. third world nations

it is a little offending .....


(i am from first world nation)

[Ilan Voyager]

Originally Posted by peterAustralia

I will bite

A new Sampan
but made of wood frames and plywood, can coated with epoxy.

Plywood and epoxy is not a good idea in Cambodia; out of reach...

The basic idea is to use the local materials and skills. That means also to depend the least possible on imported supplies. That means also that the introduction of new techniques must be accepted by the comunity, and these techniques must be adapted to the technological environment.

To be clear for example a computer driven gas engine has not use; too expensive fuel and engine impossible to fix without a computer and special tooling. But a all iron slow diesel (like the Indian listeroids) using "cheap" lubricant, and able to burn some crude vegetable oil mixed to the diesel fuel is a blessing in a small village. Easy to maintain, easy to use on a grinder, or a pump, or an alternator simply by changing the belts.

The small Chinese diesel engines can be very useful on a boat. You'll be surprised by the weight that can be carried on a boat at 3 knots with 10 HP on a river.

As I have seen in West Africa, the main need is correct quality tooling: for example a 12V 1/2" drill is precious, it can run on a car battery, so even simple good bits...a lot of things can be made with strong files... A drill which costs 60 bucks in the States will cost around 125 in Senegal; imagine that your income is 3 bucks a day and that your saving capacity is close to zero. Can you afford the drill? No. Or a such drill can change a life...

[Cutimo]

hey
firstly thanks everyone for your help so far, our report is coming along nicely. You have given us many areas on which to research, but we still need to go into more detail.
There are a few areas that are causing concern.
. we can not find any prices for wood in Cambodia, details of any wood vendors/sellers would be highly usefull.
. we can't find a good sampan design. Once we find a fairly simple and accurate design we will look at a few ways to maybe modify it so that it will not be as susceptible to storms.
. we also need a good and reliable source for engines we can use. Once we find them, we can look at prices and availiability. We will also be able to look at fitting them to the boats. This is going to be the most pricey part of the boat, so it is essential that it is reliable, clean and cheap.

Any reference sites or sources are helpfull, we are looking at almost everything that we are given

Thanks