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[Chris Ostlind]

Originally Posted by FAST FRED

If it were up to me , every employer would serve 30 days per illegal employee in the Greybar Hotel.

And in that sentence lies the real issue which to this point nobody has bothered to address. It's all about the employers and it's not about the illegal workers at all. I touched on this when I mentioned the issue of profits over convictions. I also side-swiped the argument when I mentioned that Republican businessmen regularly urge Bush to lay-off immigration issues so they can run their companies. What I'd really like to see, Fred, is a campaign being led by you, in public, that addresses that very reality regarding the Greybar Hotel. Are you just going to complain, or are you actually going to put your butt on the line about the issue?

If it weren't for the fact that business owners of our nation regularly sought out increased profits through the work efforts of undocumented people, there wouldn't be an on-going problem. Focus your wrath on those who create the demand in the first place. The fact that you don't address the typically white guy source of the issue says everything about the brown people bigotry aspects of the complaint. Or, are you suggesting that their color and language has nothing to do with the issue?

Sam, the argument has been proven. I can't help it if you choose to not see that reality. If you want a solution, then stop trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Solutions can be gained through many avenues. Not just the one that suits your existing mindset.

Fred... you said this, "It is true they flood in for JOBS , the legal immigrants of the past came here to become AMERICANS , citizens. They took low paying jobs as that’s all their skill set could get."

My grandfather, who was a house painter and paperhanger, came here in 1910 from Sweden, as there was not enough work for him in his homeland. He saw the journey as one of economic opportunity. The process of becoming a citizen was second or third on his list of objective reasons for being here.

The huge flood of Irish immigrants at the turn of the 19th century made the journey because there was a wide-spread famine in their country and with it, dwindling jobs that allowed them to make a proper living. (not to mention British oppression for the Catholics) The realities for immigration are as varied as there are individuals. I suggest you pick another flatly stated opinion that better reflects the issues surrounding immigration.

I guess you guys should open your eyes to the real issues on the ground with all this and while you are doing so, ask yourselves this developed question... Why does anyone leave their homeland, travel great distances through amazing hardship, risk the wrath of the law upon arrival and suffer through all the inevitable living condition compromises if it was not about having a better opportunity?

We hear a lot of blabber about how this nation was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs; that this is the fundamental basis of our Constitution and our rule of law. If the people of this nation really want to demonstrate their Christian hearts and not several layers of suspicion and hatefulness, they'd be doing something quite differently regarding the immigration issue.

And one last parting shot to consider and as long as we are talking about border crossing issues... We have been going at the War on Drugs for what now, 30 years or so? Has any dent whatsoever been put into the flow of illicit drugs into this country in all that time? Or has it, in fact, actually gotten worse?

Let's see now, ten times the death rate and resultant impact on emergency rooms and hospitals (since you mentioned it), ten times (or more) the attributable criminal ramifications and most importantly... a hundred times the cash flow issues with no appreciable financial benefit save for the firms who do the laundering of the ill-gotten cash. You want a bogeyman? That one makes a whole lot more sense to me than going after people who are actually contributing to our economic position. If you can't stop drugs from coming, how do you ever expect to stop human beings with a dream for a better economic life? Talk amongst yourselves and remember the principals of your Christian upbringing.

Come on guys, get a clue, here. This issue with illegal aliens is driven by fear of a group of people who are different from the typical, white American. I saw the same thing happen in SoCal right after the end of the Vietnam War when thousands of refugees came pouring into Orange County, CA. Folks stood along the streets waving placards saying, "They're stealing our jobs, ruining our emergency rooms" etc., etc. None of which was ultimately true. They were simply out-hustling us on our own turf. Something like we did, originally, to the Indians when Europeans first arrived on these shores. It’s that “pendulum swinging back” thing, it would seem.

Guys... it's all about your fear. When you get to the bottom of that issue, you'll be able to get a whole bunch of really satisfying solutions.

[roeslerjd]

I am going to have to agree with Chris on this issue. If it wasn’t for the illegal immigrants in the US you would be paying a whole lot more for everything you buy. They do the crappy jobs for crappy wages. Sure an American born citizen would do that same job… but not for anywhere near the price the illegal will. So if you are willing to pay at least double for EVERYTHING you buy then complain away.

Just think that everything you do has some underpaid illegal immigrant doing the grunt work… replace that with a born in America citizen and you are looking at huge cost increases for the smallest services. And I seriously doubt you want to pay $12 for fries and a burger at McDonalds.

And another thing I noticed that Fast Fred said… “They took low paying jobs as that’s all their skill set could get.” While that is true for some of the immigrants entering the country there are those that have skills far greater then yours. The reason they take the crappy jobs is because of all the red tape that exists in the so called land of opportunity. There are thousands of Doctors, Architects, and other professionals from all over the world in the US with a large portion of them working as burger flippers because they government wont recognize their degree’s.


P.S. - And for those of you that might think I have no right to talk about things in developed nations because I live in a developing nation you would be mistake. I just recently moved here from Canada, so I have more then adequate knowledge of how things are in Developed Nations.

[longliner45]

no we wouldnt be paying more! just that there would be less multi million dollar bonuses for ,,(ceos)

[roeslerjd]

Originally Posted by longliner45

no we wouldnt be paying more! just that there would be less multi million dollar bonuses for ,,(ceos)

Those ceos would rather raise prices then take a cut to their bonus... Someone has to pay for the increased wages and it isn't going to be them. They are just as greedy as the rest of America, take as much as you can for as little work as you can get away with.

[messabout]

Alright you guys. You protagonists have something to say but this is not the appropriate venue. The several of you are writing with passion and apparent erudition. We have a lot more serious issues to deal with than the matters at hand in this contest. So chill. Tell you what.....Lets all meet somewhere and I'll buy the beer, but only if we argue about boats. Boats! Not sociology or politics.

Gene

[longliner45]

no one is forcing anyone to click on to this thread,,,longliner

[ted655]

2 main things have happened, maybe 3.
First, Technoligy, mainly electronics & modern materials have taken the "feel" of a boat and turned it into a interactine video game.
Swcond, I just watched 10 top megayachts featured on TV. EVERY single one stressed the size of the accomodations and "How you never know your on a boat". How they had everything a expensive hotel has.
Third, People no longer actually GO anywhere on a yacht. They "fly in", stay for a event or meeting then fly back. Few actually travel from point to point in a boat. The whole world has been video taped and put on DVDs. There is no mystery in the world. Nothing to explore.
So.... big box boats bob in cookkie-cutter marinas all round the world. Exotic destinations are either too dangerious to visit or too accessible.
A true traveling, responsive, seaworthy boat is no longer needed and more importantly... no longer in fasion. Anyone look at a new Rolls lately? Heard of a new castle being built? Yachts that actually have bluewater purpose have gone the same way.

[SamSam]

Originally Posted by Sean Herron

MEGA YACHT
Where did the romance and individuality go - when did the IKEA boat catch on and why - there is history and style in what we do - from NAVY to garage builder - has Bill Gates and the proprietors of AutoCad limited the minds of one of the oldest design professions - say us and the odd chair maker and the shoe cobbler who sings old German anthems...

I say - dig out your lead ducks, your planimeters, your Danish ship curves and splines and fight back...

.

Perhaps the principles that apply to what makes a boat seaworthy are simple and have pretty much been figured out for a long time. So all that's really left is for numerous designers to beat a dead horse to death over the details of style, which for commercial purposes has to continually evolve at an MTV pace. If that becomes too difficult, the principles of seaworthiness can be compromised, which will expand the possibilities of style and put the designer/company back into the game.
Perhaps buyers have no clue about what is or isn't good about a boats seaworthiness and construction, but have their ideas on what looks good and so naturally, for the most part, that is what gets built. As far as mega-yachts go, ego seems to be the ruling factor. Cost and size are the main specifications, more of each are better.
Hand drawn plans are wonderfull things. Before too long they will be curiosities, I think. With all the abilities, crafts, knowledge etc. that have been turned over to/taken over by computers and machines, it seems most eggs have been put in one basket and if that basket is lost, progress will be set back decades if not centuries.
I've seen all kinds of computer 'concept' designs posted on this site. They remind me of airbrushed centerfolds for the most part, or stills from an animated movie. Colored air. Can anyone post a little bit of what a CAD generates as far as what working construction drawings look like? Sam

[SamSam]

Originally Posted by Sean Herron

At this posting - and on this day - against this year - I have learned that it is not worth fighting against the 'Self Plumping Peacocks' or the 'Barking Walruses' that you want to take on...

Mind that my capitalization within qoutes are do to a hope that these titles will become common vocabulary within the English language and its own inherent trades vocabulary...

The Washington Post, maybe, had a contest on the best new words created in 2006. Under the category of a new word created with the change of one letter in an old word, is one I think may become common in the English language...

Ignoranus- someone who is not only stupid but is also an *******.

This is not meant FOR anyone, just FYI. Sam

[longliner45]

SAMSAM that is so wrong ,,,yet so right ,,,and pretty cool

[SamSam]

Sean,
here you go.. Sam

ANNUAL NEOLOGISM CONTEST

Once again, The Washington Post has published the winning submissions to its yearly contest, in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for common words. The winners are:


1. Coffee (n.) the person upon whom one coughs.

2. Flabbergasted (adj.) appalled over how much weight you have gained.

3. Abdicate (v.) to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.

4. Esplanade (v.) to attempt an explanation while drunk.

5. Willy-nilly (adj.) impotent.

6. Negligent (adj.) describes a condition in which you absent-mindedly answer the door in your nightgown.

7. Lymph (v.) to walk with a lisp.

8. Gargoyle (n.) olive-flavored mouthwash.

9. Flatulence (n.) emergency vehicle that picks you up after you are run over by a steamroller.

10. Balderdash (n.) a rapidly receding hairline.

11. Testicle (n.) a humorous question on an exam.

12. Rectitude (n.) the formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.

13. Pokemon (n) a Rastafarian proctologist.

14. Oyster (n.) a person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddishisms.

15. Frisbeetarianism (n.) (back by popular demand): The belief that, when you die, your Soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.

16. Circumvent (n.) an opening in the front of boxer shorts worn by Jewish men.

************************************************** *

The Washington Post's Style Invitational once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are this year's winners:

1. Bozone (n.) The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.

2. Cashtration (n.) The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period.

3. Giraffiti (n) Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.

4. Sarchasm (n) The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

5 . Inoculatte (v) To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

6. Hipatitis (n) Terminal coolness.

7. Osteopornosis (n) A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)

8. Karmageddon (n) It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer.

9. Decafalon (n.) The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.

10. Glibido (v) All talk and no action.

11. Dopeler effect (n) The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

12. Arachnoleptic fit (n.) The frantic dance performed just after you've accidentally walked through a spider web.

13. Beelzebug (n.) Satan in the form of a mosquito that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.

14. Caterpallor (n.) The color you turn after finding half a grub in the
fruit you're eating.

And the pick of the literature:

15. Ignoranus (n): A person who's both stupid and an *******.

[SamSam]

Originally Posted by Sean Herron

Hello...

There is marketability here...

I would lay out 25 USD for an IGNORANUS badge - sorry that is British and Canadian spelling (Ignoraneous) ...

I think you should pursue this and market same...

They could be like SOG badges for the poor sots like me - market it man...

No cut to the the SOGS - I know you know where I live...

Cheers...

God - I do not want to go back - but I will...

SH.

The start of an empire...

http://www.badgeaminit.com/?gclid=CI...FRFXUAod_UTF2w

Too big for a button but it would fit on a T-shirt...

"Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Start a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

Ah yes.Tomorrow. Maybe the alarm clock will sound better in 2007. Sam

[Frosty]

I dont care how much money you have or dont have.

To put youreslf through such torment at the thought of going to work?

SH you sound and write like a very inteligent man, cant you get another job?

A friend of mine died of cancer a few weeks back.

This is your only life( yeah yeah you know this I know) but its true.

When you get to the big gates they/he wont say 'oh dear youve had a bad time here have another 10 years--and try and make a better go of it will you'

Personally I love it when a door slams in my face then I have to go find a new door, and you know? Its usually better--simply because it couldnt be worse.

Most people I know are much more inteligent than I,--but I will not be unhappy ,---I just will not.

Today is the first day of the rest of your life.