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What kind of site?

The only exceptions to OSHA jurisdiction in the country are listed here:
http://www.osha.gov/dep/index.html

This statement is patently wrong:
"most people dont know they only have jurisdiction on federally funded worksites or if ignorantly invited in."

They may enter, inspect and levy fines or stop work in virtually any site where paid employees are found.

They should do as well.
Wait till you have seen a few fatalities or grievous injuries in the workplace and you will understand why they are showing up.

http://www.bls.gov/iif/

 

Employee health and safety is taken seriously over here. The inspector is always in the yard and is frequently at your project with a clipboard for observations or demanding workers documents.
Serious injury...electrocution, asphyxiation, poisoning and workplace falls have dropped dramatically over the years.
The really aggressive inspector is environment protection.

 

Forget the virgins, what's up with biscuits and gravy?

 

Please show us anything at all from OSHA that bans 'fresh rough cut yellow pine' for any purpose whatsoever.

You're living in a fantasy world. In real life, you have it all wrong (as usual); OSHA was specifically created to have jurisdiction over private jobsites.

So which of those six groups do you belong to, that you can get away with 'kicking OSHA off your jobsites'?

 

You mean you never knew that biscuits and gravy is Heaven on a Plate? Especially when served alongside pork chops and eggs, with a pot of scalding hot coffee....

 

Yeah but...for eternity? I'm thinking hot dogs, shrimp and root beer maybe.

 

Well, I guess for eternity we'd have to rotate the pork chops with hamsteaks, bacon and chicken-fried steak...

But of course I was just discussing breakfast in the celestial diners. I'm sure lunch, dinner and cookouts all have their own clouds.

 

Nothing at all, if you're of a 'certain age'.

As I'm not even 60 yet, I'm not.

OTOH tomorrow a goodly supply of fresh berries, cherries and stone fruit washed down with some excellent chilled sauvignon blanc will be quite fine. I've an assortment of beers to accompany the more robust food as well.

PDW

 

Prior to boatdesign, I enjoyed and still do, studying law, theology, and economics and all are related. Years ago before there was a better understanding of law principles, i had runnins with osha. Now I'll post this and be done with osha debate. If you dont believe, that fine, some reading will find it helpful. This is just milk for babies, and further study is needed to get the meat, for the rest of you, just stick with lollipops.

Osha once came onsite and found our man using a hammer without goggles, thought about fighting it in court knowing a little at the time about legal procedure but, left it alone and accepted it as part of business and paid the $2,000.00 fine.

Years and half later they show up again, this time there is a ladder tied off, but one of the guys decides to take a shortcut and climbs down without using it. There is a $5,000-10,000 fine pending but if "we sign up " and take certain safety classes it will be significantly reduced. We take the deal. At these two occasions I was not onsite.

Classes begin and unbelievably, during the first hour the instructor tells us next time osha comes onsite - ask for a warrant - then gives us the reasons why and how to proceed. Offcourse I'm intrigued and surprised, as this knowledge would be contrary to his career and occupation

 

If you want to hammer on basics-
One abandons complete freedom of action and the disregard of effect of our actions on others at the instant we stand shoulder to shoulder with our fellow man.
That's how societies work- now and at all times prior.
We teach grade school kids this- perhaps you missed the lesson?



ON OSHA:
One may request a warrant from OSHA inspectors for entry into certain classes of property.
They will bring one if they have any indication that such a request will be made.
Further- they will be back the next day (or that afternoon) with the warrant if you forbid entry and they do not have the papers.

All sites where work is being done in 'public view', (I think is the term used),be it private property or not may be entered by OSHA officials with no permit.

I spent many years in construction and did the walk through sites with OSHA inspectors many times. They are your ally. In every case I was involved in they provided advice on how to meet safety standards and gave sufficient time to correct deficiencies. I worked on sites where the supers knew how to meet safety standards due to guidlines from their own insurance cariers and long experience with good practice in heavy construction. Both of these areas of experience are the product of the changing nature of construction where worker safety is well understood and a important goal to address from the needs of all parties. Part of this progress is due to the work of the OSHA act of the 70's.

In spite of addressing safety- I saw guys killed and crippling injuries.
Look at the numbers- its appalling how many are injured still in trades work, it used to be far worse.

In the marine industry I have never seen a OSHA inspection.
My shop is in a large yard as they go, but there are still too few employees to merit drop by's from inspectors.
That said, I have a yearly inspection from a private consultant. He simply tours the shop and give recommendations on any deficiencies found. Safety meetings are done by the larger outfits here and consultants are brought in to inform on material, good practice and tool safety issues.

A guy died a few years back on the staff of a private contractor in a yard and the outfits now require Workman's comp from all parties along with the 3mil liability insurance we all carry.

 

Month's later on a high profile jobsite, with about 15 men, I hear "osha is here", so begin walking to inspector and ask "do you have a warrant" and he replies "no but, i was passing by and just want to check for safey".

"This is not a federally funded site, without a warrant you are not allowed on these premises". He begins asking who I am, company, occupation (gave name but shouldnt have done even that) I just stick to jurisdiction issue and begin telling him he has to leave and begin escorting him to the gate while he keeps saying "Im just here for safety, just checking" and while walking, he calls his boss, and says "here talk to my boss". He begins the same type of conversation and I affirm what was spoken to his underling.

After a short walk, we arrive at the entry and he steps outside of premises and gate is shut, with him almost begging "just checking for safety". I watch him while he gets in car and continues to talk on phone. I head back and tell everyone to leave, as there were just a few hours left, and it disturbed me as I contempleted what had happened. I check around to make sure everything is still safe and leave as well.

I was expecting to be harrassed afterwards, but that was the end of it. We had several more weeks to complete work, got it done and end of story.

 

Bnti,

You are changing your previous post " they have jurisdiction to virtually any site". You are saying what the inspector was spouting " we are your friends - we are here for safety - many people die ". Now you will make the claim contrary to me "he's unsafe, a rebel, a liar - it cant be". We try to be safe and we are safe, osha or not, after we do our duty its God who directs events.

Whenever I present facts and evidence, I await for you guys to reply, then since you cant reply accordingly, you offer nonsense such as "70 virgins in heaven" avoiding the matters discussed. It might be in Scripture, "dont go casting your pearls before swine", its good advice I'll be heeding from now on.

 

I don't know what facts and evidence you've supplied. It's very hard to understand what you are talking about usually, whether it's religion or mechanics.

As I pointed out, the fact is you make no sense, one moment saying OSHA has rigid standards that produces excellent quality scaffold boards, and then you turn around and say because of OSHA's requirements only inferior products are available.

The fact is you say you can't use the good stuff for scaffolds because of OSHA, and then you turn around and say OSHA gets kicked off your sites and doesn't bother you, as you know the law. So therefore you can use anything you want for scaffold boards since you don't allow OSHA around, but then you don't because OSHA says you can't. You demolish your own arguments.

That shouldn't stop you from using it in a boat. There you would be right in saying OSHA doesn't have jurisdiction on you building a boat for yourself, but OSHA didn't ban it from being manufactured, because as you say D - 165 planks are made from it. You can order rough cut wood delivered to your door, you can call the sawyer and specify what you want. But then you probably have to surface and size it yourself which is a lot of work. Realistically, you can find what you need kiln dried and milled in the small quantities you need by picking through Home Depot stuff, or better yet other private lumberyards. I was able to obtain long lengths of clear Douglas Fir in the middle of Wisconsin by going to a laminated truss factory and buying from them.

That is not proof, that is 'hearsay'. 900 people believed in and died for Jim Jones. 1.57 billion Islamists don't believe Christ was crucified to begin with, much less arose from the dead. You can argue with them about religious 'facts'. The plain fact is, concerning supernatural events, religion is all hearsay, with no facts.

 

What?

These are "facts":

"Who OSHA Covers

Private Sector Workers

Most employees in the nation come under OSHA's jurisdiction.
OSHA covers private sector employers and employees in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and other U.S. jurisdictions either directly through Federal OSHA or through an OSHA-approved state program. State-run health and safety programs must be at least as effective as the Federal OSHA program. To find the contact information for the OSHA Federal or State Program office nearest you, see the Regional and Area Offices map.
State and Local Government Workers

Employees who work for state and local governments are not covered by Federal OSHA, but have OSH Act protections if they work in a state that has an OSHA-approved state program. Four additional states and one U.S. territory have OSHA approved plans that cover public sector employees only. This includes: Connecticut, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, and the Virgin Islands. Private sector workers in these four states and the Virgin Islands are covered by Federal OSHA.
Federal Government Workers

Federal agencies must have a safety and health program that meet the same standards as private employers. Although OSHA does not fine federal agencies, it does monitor federal agencies and responds to workers' complaints. The United States Postal Service (USPS) is covered by OSHA.
Not covered by the OSH Act:

Self-employed;
Immediate family members of farm employers that do not employ outside employees; and
Workplace Hazards regulated by another Federal agency (for example, the Mine Safety and Health Administration, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Coast Guard)."
http://www.osha.gov/workers.html


"The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 (OSH Act), 29 USC 667, affects almost every private business in the United States and U.S. territories. The act is administered by the federal Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) or an OSHA-approved state program. The original goal of the legislation was to assure employees' working conditions to be free from recognized hazards that cause or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm. The reach of its coverage is best seen by reviewing the few organizations that are exempt from the act's applicability.
OSHA Exemptions

In general, private business is covered by the OSH Act and public employees are exempt. The act does not apply to federal employees. Other exempt public sector employees include workers for state and local governments, unless the state has an occupational safety and health program approved by OSHA. Self-employed workers are also exempt, along with domestic household employees and family members working on a farm. Other organizations not affected by the act are usually covered by other federal statutes, such as nuclear energy workers, nuclear weapons manufacturers, mining companies and certain transportation jobs."
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/organizations-affected-osha-832.html

This is a falsehood:

I believe you have become confused on a point dealing with state employees who are except unless subject to federal funding in which case they are covered..


I hope you have a good day Goodwill- friends family and maybe some progress on your boat.

 

Greetings,