Affordable seaworthy cruiser

Yeah Apex I do believe all the clueless newbies around may have taken their toll on your sense of humor. Sometimes I get the all confused. Soon goodwill will want the boat solar powered and use recycle lithium batteries. Have another beer to relax.

 

I could not disagree more. To say that of someone with 5130 posts is totally mistaken. To spend that amount of time addressing other people's problems is to be commended.

Apex is usually the first of the professionals to chip in with sound advice on a wide range of topics. It is only in the last couple of days that his frustration has boiled over.

Apex's mistake was not to stick to his reply on page 1, and get drawn back into the thread. See below.

To draw an analogy, if this was a house design forum and someone came on saying they were going to build a 10 story building but it was apparent that they had no grasp of soil mechanics, were unable to calculate steel beams or timber joists. Had no knowledge of fire protection and means of escape in the event of a fire and is unwilling to take advice from experienced engineers and architects, many different members are going to get irritable.

After 289 posts what has been achieved?

 

Proof that birth control is needed sometimes...

 

It is closer to exhaustion than exasperation, Will.
And you are right, I too should have done like you did, give up.

So, then:

over and out

Richard

 

Are you suggesting a dory?

 

Greetings,

Diwebb, thanks for the advice, will chew on it. The thought of recutting was considered, just wasnt sure if that would be the way to go, definetly could lower sailplan as other similar designs are low aspect sails.

Apex, even though you are exhausting its a pleasure to know you and you will still be my buddy.

Peace.

 

You wanted

I would change to

1.)As minimal a draft as possible
2.)4 people for up to a two week vacation
3.)Minimize marinas
4.)Capable of coastal cruising Lake Erie and the Erie canal in good weather
5.)Simple to build between $35k and $50k
6.)Sail power with outboard assist
7.)4 crew with a reasonable degree of comfort anchoring out.
8.)Want an unusual boat with Noah's Ark proportional dimensions.

Even then I would choose a different design.

 

There are many OTS (off the shelf) 30 - 35 ft used sailboats in the $12,000 price range , most complete with diesel engines.


Any would suit your purpose and would offer the easiest chance of not loosing 100% of the "investment" in a Freak boat.

If you simply want to freak folks out a really unique dink, (the fellow with the beach chair on 2 chunks of foam might sell it) or something similar might get you noticed.

Although the draft would be deeper than you desire , the dink would expand your cruising area. Not many places a rational boat like a 13 ft B Whaler cant visit.

Another advantage is 2-5 years of hard work saved , you could leave on your adventure the day the boat is bought.

Bon Voyage!!

FF

 

I keep telling people to adopt a used boat, it is professionally designed, cheaper and better all around. I find more free boats than I can handle... Then you just repower, rewire and re-rig. It is still a big job but alot less than starting from scratch. You can spend your time customizing it, not figuring if your deck and sides are straight or if your transom is going to fall off.

 

Hey Goodwill, this is a proper boat to do what you want. I guess what look at the name. http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...rency=USD&access=Public&listing_id=11784&url=

 

One beneficial side effect of Fast Fred's suggestion is that this thread could end now and not last another 2-5 years

 

Ha ha - but we all need someone to rag on.

 

Greetings,

Diwebb, Not much information available about Sumner. Do you think the box keel drawn would be sufficient? Would really like to keep draft no more than 2'-4". Bilge keels are not appealing, they are much more complicated to design and fit. Gaffs are good, what would you use for the mast.

Fast Fred, cheap used boats are available, but long, narrow, and shoal draft are hard to find, btw not trying to freak people out, once jubilee is built it will look good.

Peace.

 

"but long, narrow, and shoal draft are hard to find"

Herrishoff suggests the boats draft needs to be 1/7 the lwl , or you will need a center board. A 28 ft lwl is only 4 ft. no centerboard.


In our cruising the use of a dink ( our 90/90 boat draws 4.6 ft ) has proven to work better than trying to bring the boat to the up river attraction.

Many interesting places are up a river , that may or may not be set with navigation markers, or have a current.

Far easier to run 20 -40 miles in knee deep water with a 3K current in a good dink , than to drag your home to visit.

Life is a compromise , having a seaworthy , sea kindly cruising home is far more important than knee deep water exploring.

FF

 

Greetings,

If thinking about a used boat, first choice would be the MacGregor 65 racing version, its one of the finest fiberglass boats of alltime.

Mydauphin, in Scriptures jubilee is the fiftheth year when all debts are forgiven, if America went by that standard, it wouldnt be in the trouble its in today.

FastFred, Beebe had a above/under formula for how much hull should be in the water for seaworthiness, later on this was proven to be incorrect. With Heresshoff's formula that would make jubilee over 6', the M65 with 5' draft proves that is not necessary. Good point about the dink.