6.5m mini cruising sail boat

[philsail]

hello every one, (im new here)
what do you think of this boat?
I want to build a small sailboat in the philippines and got plans of this boat. this is going to be my fist boat building project, so i have actually no idea of boat design and building. :-) but the will and skill (hopefully) to do it.

did i choos the right plans?
thanx for any comment's and advices...

[Raggi_Thor]

The boat loks nice and easy to build.
I suppose you got a detailed explanation along with the plans.
It looks like the topsides and bottom are "developable" surfaces. That migth save you some time if these areas can be covered with large panels. You might find some inspiration at Dudley Dix' web,
http://www.dixdesign.com/radply.htm
http://www.dixdesign.com/didi26kit3.htm

[philsail]

thank you replying.
that's the problem. the detailed explanation for this plans are only in russian available. :-) but the plans are realy good and detaild so i guess its realistic to build it without explanations. as you said i also can study the builders notes of dix and other projects.
the plans are from a russian boat designer. check out his page.. (unfortunately only in russian. just click around)
main http://www.yakutia.ru/%7Eigor/
his projects http://www.yakutia.ru/%7Eigor/pro.html

What do you think of the waterlines of this boat?
(stability, hullspeed, planing ability.....)

[mistral]

philsail, take a look at this boat, little bit smaller than Cavalier; it'a a Dudley Dix's TLC19 development called IDEA19, plans are available in italian but i can translate them in english without any problem and assure a full online help for any further doubt; the link is http://www.nautikit.com/idea19.htm
the plans includes building specifications for monolithic GRP, sadwiched GRP, and wooden strip plank building; it's a quite new boat, several plans haver been sold from March 'til now; and the first boat will be launched at the end of March 2005 in Italy, Adriatic Sea; a CNC cut kit is also avalaible from a shipyard located in Northern italy, just 4-5 hours of highway from your home; in the same shipyard you can see the almost completed boat.

fair wind
Mistral

[Raggi_Thor]

Or look at our new Backman 18, design by Hans Backman :-)
www.mboats.no/B18/backman_18.htm (Norwegian)
www.backmanboats.com/drawing.html (English)

[mistral]

great looking this Bachman18, very sporty and very light!! Have you got any snapshot or video?? sandwiched or monolithic GRP building???
she have a cat rig, isn'it? Why not to have a sloop rig with a small jib??
I'm curious!!

Mistral

[Raggi_Thor]

smile :-)
The designer is working on the rig just now. It will be a small jib on roller.
We plan to sell it as a complete precut plywood/epoxy kit.
6mm Okume with glass on both sides.

The lines, http://www.mboats.no/B18/linjetegning.htm
shows that the topsides can be skinned with one (on each side) large panel, while the bottom will be divided into several panels.

[philsail]

thanx for replying..
both two suggested boats are great. but too "sporty" i want to go cruising around the philippines and need some space inside. natali650 is a small cruising boat and thats what i want to build. i am just not sure about the hull form. the waterlines. the stability (and so on) of the natali650. becouse i have no idea about this. and this boat is not a often built boat like dix. its brand new, i guess i would be the first builder.

[Raggi_Thor]

The hull shape looks realive stable, more stable than many new "sportsboats". If you experience a knockdown, the full width superstructure will also give you some extra rightning moment.

[philsail]

ok thanx. what about max hull speed and planing ability? (i used to sail hoby cat. speed is fun. but of course is not comparable but i want do build a fast, sporty cruising boat.)

[mistral]

i used to sail hobie cat too!!! regarding IDEA 19, i m'not able to show you any real data about performance since there's not yet one boat on the water, you'll have to wait 'til the end of March when the first boat 'll be launched, at that time i'll put on the web speed polar curves and some movies; i just can suggest you to see what TLC 19 performances were at this link http://www.dixdesign.com/tlc19.htm , as IDEA 19 is a revised version ot TLC19; anyway, taking the previous boat as reference, the revised version is sturdier , therefore a little heavier, and has a 35% bigger upwind sail area, a new swept spreader ring, and 25% more righting moment with a calculated angle of vanishing stability of approx. 127 degrees.

Fair wind
Mistral

[Raggi_Thor]

The speed of your boat will of course depend on how build it and how you load it. If you build it light and have all ballast in a lead bulb you will probably be able to carry enough sail to surf or plane downwind and on a reach with a gennaker. On the other hand, when you fill it up with food and water, you will most likely sail in "normal" hull speed 4 to 5 knots :-)

[philsail]

thanx. you used to sail hoby too? great.. its great fun. :-) i spent hundreds of hours on a old rusty hoby. once we sailed from our home (Romlon) to a island 60miles further down south called boracay. it took us 11hours, non stop. :-) one time we had to stop on a passing island to empty the bodys. they swallowed quite a lot of water... and we had quite hight waves, the surfing waves .. downwind surfing with a hoby. it was great :-) but i wouldn't do it again.. a hoby is just for fun and not for cruising..
thats why i what to build a small cruising boat.. yes, i think i'll try to make it as ligth as possible and put the balast in the keel. i'm planing to build a lifting keel same as bachman18 but without bulb and put some balast in the (how do you sai?) under water part of the hull. i saw this at the skippi650 (http://www.interyacht-ost.de/y_skippi.html). because the keel the balast must be completely removable to take the boat on a beach out of the water. (without crane and car just by hand) ...

[Wynand N]

http://www.boatdesign.net/NYD/

[preacherman]

A smaller cruising boat was what I also wanted to build, low budget though stylish, good enough for a crew of 4 to 5, with an inboard engine and no transom hung rudder, safe and forgiving, reasonably fast and of course with a fixed ballast keel...

I am producing sailing boats 35-50 ft. and this small one was intended to secure future customers, like younger families with a kid or two, sailors who will be my future big boat owners. I somehow think that we are loosing grounds to the motorboating community, the so called stinkpotters, so give them a good boat to a fair price which will not discourage them in foul weather and keep them at the helm.

I did quite a research work till I received a positive response from the designers I contacted through the internet and finally I got the right one from Brasil. Considering I am from Turkey it sounds odd, but as they say its a small world.

I will start with the production of the A-One, with 25 ft. smallest of my Atlantis family late spring and will sell for very competitive price.

Just pay a visit to the web site of Jose Moni, you might find a better guy for your considerations, though with a worse english.

moniyachtdesign [moniyachtdesign@ig.com.br]

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