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Old 01-06-2011, 04:51 PM
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29 mirage by fairline to sailboat

Powered by an old GM inline 6 with omc 165 outdrive. Will never plane and i dont care.

i stay in protected waters so safety in not issue or money talk or neg nelly's in general.

I want to throw some hobie cat hulls on the sides and a mast up to catch some wind. Dont want to win america's cup!

Will such a set-up upwind? how far forward to place mast?

That's all i ask for now.

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Old 01-06-2011, 04:52 PM
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http://uk.yachtworld.com/core/listin..._id=51889&url=

not my boat but specs besides engine are the same
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Old 01-06-2011, 06:15 PM
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You don't need outriggers (cat hulls) unless you put a rig from a 40' yacht on it.

No you'll never get upwind with that boat, just too much windage, drag and lacking appendages to get much past a beam reach. This said you can go down wind with a top speed of 5 MPH if you're lucky (no kidding). Use a rig from a Catalina 22 or something similar like a Hunter 25. Of course it'll look silly as hell, but hey, you'll be saving fuel and able to take a fairly big powerboat places for free. The sail can also be used to "steady her down" under certain considerations. Personally, I think it's an expensive contrivance that has limited return, but I don't have to live with it.
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Old 01-06-2011, 06:58 PM
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Thank you for replying

I thought the outrigging for stopping sideways drift? AS the the outriggers would have skegs or slide in keel type daggers. As for cost, I can grab full mast(36 ft with 11 ft boom and stays and halyards and 2 winches, oh and adjustable deck mounted base plate) for 600 bucks. 300 for 16ft hobie hulls. raggy sails are easy enough to come by. compression post down below.

I fish or party downwind and motor home or better the other way around lol.

BUT ARE YOU CERTAIN NO UPWIND? This i can not wrap my head around.

MORE PLEASE?
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Old 01-07-2011, 12:35 AM
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Yep, you're screwed going up wind. A dissertation on sailboat hydro and aerodynamics isn't best carried out here, but again, you haven't a shot at up wind sailing in that. Even if you employed some appendages, you're asking nearly a floating Winnebago to sail against it's own windage. It's possible, but the hull's just got so much going against it to make it remotely practical. It's like asking a Chevy van to be a high speed racer. You can install all sorts of go fast, but the box shape on wheels, is just going to screw your goals in the end.
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Old 01-07-2011, 03:48 PM
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i thank you....hmmmmm... maybe i should not then. How about kite power?
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Old 01-08-2011, 02:45 AM
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Nothing will make this boat a sailer, sorry...
Kite will be less obtrusive as rig, and nobody will see it, when not deployed .
Same leisurely downwind crawling as with "normal" rig however.
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