100 feet aluminium semi plaining hull

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by VexCore, Aug 30, 2014.

  1. VexCore
    Joined: Aug 2014
    Posts: 11
    Likes: 0, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 10
    Location: Egypt

    VexCore Junior Member

    mkay thanks for the idea
     
  2. VexCore
    Joined: Aug 2014
    Posts: 11
    Likes: 0, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 10
    Location: Egypt

    VexCore Junior Member

    I know this is far from standard procedure, and i do not expect this project to ever see the light of day. from what i can figure out the items on that least do not even add up. I just wanted to know if a better and more experienced mind than mine can make something of it.
    I still have to present a general arrangement diagram. But what should I base that on if i do not have a hull shape?http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif
     
  3. Mr Efficiency
    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posts: 10,386
    Likes: 1,045, Points: 113, Legacy Rep: 702
    Location: Australia

    Mr Efficiency Senior Member

    The 50,000 litres of fuel intrigues me, surely not !
     
  4. groper
    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posts: 2,483
    Likes: 144, Points: 73, Legacy Rep: 693
    Location: australia

    groper Senior Member

    Youve got it backwards... your general arrangement will dictate the hull shape, not the other way around!

    To determine a general arrangement, you first need a purpose! What does this boat need to do!!!!?
     
  5. TANSL
    Joined: Sep 2011
    Posts: 7,376
    Likes: 706, Points: 123, Legacy Rep: 300
    Location: Spain

    TANSL Senior Member

    VexCore this work they have commissioned you seems totally absurd. I do not know what your boss wants to get, of course I'm sure he does not want a proper boat project. He probably wants to test you and see how you react but it sure whatever you are able to do is not going to help anything.
    So, given the absurdity of the issue, I think it's not worth continuing this matter. It does not seem possible to give you a help.
    Tell your boss that is good and normal for the person who designs a boat to have some knowledge about boats.
    Maybe your boss is waiting for you to have the courage to tell him what he is asking for is a huge nonsense.
     
  6. CDBarry
    Joined: Nov 2002
    Posts: 824
    Likes: 57, Points: 28, Legacy Rep: 354
    Location: Maryland

    CDBarry Senior Member

    The best bet is to use the NPL high speed craft series by Bailey, available from RINA.
     
  7. NavalSArtichoke
    Joined: Oct 2013
    Posts: 431
    Likes: 9, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 83
    Location: GulfCoast

    NavalSArtichoke Senior Member

  8. groper
    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posts: 2,483
    Likes: 144, Points: 73, Legacy Rep: 693
    Location: australia

    groper Senior Member

    Or free here...

    View attachment npl.pdf

    Probably a good start, assuming a bucket load of "probable" usage requirements, most notably the challenging speed and range requirements...
     
  9. Mr Efficiency
    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posts: 10,386
    Likes: 1,045, Points: 113, Legacy Rep: 702
    Location: Australia

    Mr Efficiency Senior Member

    Someone has millions to spend on a new boat and wants a novice to design it ? Does not compute, imo !
     
  10. VexCore
    Joined: Aug 2014
    Posts: 11
    Likes: 0, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 10
    Location: Egypt

    VexCore Junior Member


    Ok...how can the general arangament dictate the hull shape? I mean for example I put an engine of x size and weight. on what do i base that if i do not have a total resistence encountered...How do i know how to arrange all the machinery and auxiliaries if i do not have a set phisical space... If i received the hull design i could then proceed to do "my thing" and establish all the machinery and pipelines needed but i did not.
    I know that this thread will probably annoy the pro's and trust me this makes me feel like a big joke but I'm just trying to get a feel of how these things work so I, at least, know what to say when I will be asked for progress reports.
     
  11. Ad Hoc
    Joined: Oct 2008
    Posts: 7,788
    Likes: 1,688, Points: 113, Legacy Rep: 2488
    Location: Japan

    Ad Hoc Naval Architect

    Forget the shape...look at the SOR.

    This amounts to circa 130 tonne full load. With a speed req't of circa 25knots...you're going to need around 1000kW per engine..and 3 off, i.e 3000kW total.

    You need more than a simple hull shape. You need a naval architect to DESIGN it for you. Your question is far beyond a simple one line reply...which will not satisfy the SOR anyway.
     
  12. PAR
    Joined: Nov 2003
    Posts: 19,126
    Likes: 498, Points: 93, Legacy Rep: 3967
    Location: Eustis, FL

    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    Has has been hinted at, the design spiral will develop the project, so no real short cuts or quick replies for your bosses. An inclusive, preferably extensive (considering the scope of this project) SOR will guide the preliminary efforts.

    [​IMG]

    You can try it some other way, but it'll take longer and may not meet the SOR's requirements as well, which will piss off the owner pretty good.
     
  13. Mr Efficiency
    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posts: 10,386
    Likes: 1,045, Points: 113, Legacy Rep: 702
    Location: Australia

    Mr Efficiency Senior Member

    Can anyone tell me how to design a jetplane ? I promise to take all of you on the maiden flight, free drinks included.
     
  14. VexCore
    Joined: Aug 2014
    Posts: 11
    Likes: 0, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 10
    Location: Egypt

    VexCore Junior Member

    Yeah way this is going that is what i will be asked for next...
     

  15. groper
    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posts: 2,483
    Likes: 144, Points: 73, Legacy Rep: 693
    Location: australia

    groper Senior Member

    Well let's say you need x amount of open deck space for fishing gear or cargo, with no roof and a crane to unload the cargo. This determines the general arrangement above all else doesn't it? And how will you know the physical size, length and beam, if you do not know how much cargo she is required to carry? You can't design anything without a purpose! And as such, you have given us no purpose, other than a boat which can travel 2000Nm at 18kts... Now you could design an efficient boat to do it, and carry nothing except the fuel required to do it. But If you need to carry 100people, a bunch of cargo, and the fuel to do it, the Arrangment will change, the propulsion changes, perhaps a second or third deck may be required, and the entire ship is completely different. Depending on the purpose, a catamaran may be a better hull form, who knows? Not even a professional naval architect can design anything from the information you have given... A professional, would ask for this information, you should do the same...
     
Loading...
Similar Threads
  1. schakel
    Replies:
    6
    Views:
    1,309
  2. serdarbas
    Replies:
    3
    Views:
    753
  3. Jimboat
    Replies:
    5
    Views:
    1,289
  4. Waterwitch
    Replies:
    6
    Views:
    1,111
  5. Manuel R Alonso
    Replies:
    9
    Views:
    1,603
  6. Quidnic
    Replies:
    2
    Views:
    1,549
  7. aktxyz123
    Replies:
    9
    Views:
    2,944
  8. Cacciatore
    Replies:
    8
    Views:
    1,894
  9. Squidly-Diddly
    Replies:
    4
    Views:
    1,277
  10. mustafaumu sarac
    Replies:
    3
    Views:
    2,657
Forum posts represent the experience, opinion, and view of individual users. Boat Design Net does not necessarily endorse nor share the view of each individual post.
When making potentially dangerous or financial decisions, always employ and consult appropriate professionals. Your circumstances or experience may be different.