My little piece of peace

[downunder]

" A tradition, it seems with Oram designs, is to do your own thing on the coach-house shape and I will be no exception - I like the sensibility of the "lagoon" with its near vertical windows, overhanging brow front and sides - and -

I have a strong desire to extend the roofline full width aft to shade even the "duckboard" area and embed the davits into the roof section... effectively making a larger relative permanent shaded area... - and - "


definitely way to go for tropics

[masalai]

Yes Frosty, and went Reverse Ozmosis equipment to get pure-potable-water from sea water at between 60 and 120Litres/hour - reliable.... How long does it take to wash the salt and whatever from the decks, sails and elsewhere, and that bloody murderously toxic stuff that spilled the other week, did you manage to wash it all off

Mas you need about 15 liter per minute to rinse the boat (sails I dunno). So a boat your size will be washed down in about 2 - 3 minutes I think.

cheers
Richard

[Bob Oram]

Brian,
Oram owners are not left to their own devices when it comes to cabin profiles at all.
There are complete cabin drawings and a set of temporary frames available [always have been] if you wish to do the standard cabin.
You and I have discussed your cabin profile and as I have stated, when you are ready we'll discuss it.
Or as I suggested the other day, you draw your ideas and send them to me and if they make sense we will try to incorporate them into the boat.
This is called design flexibility. so feel free to correct you post.

I am very aware of the need for sun protection in Australia [having worked outside in the tropics all my life].
Using front cockpits for sail work actually means less exposure to the elements, [count how long it takes to climb onto the side decks then walk around the cabin to the mast and back again, now count how long it takes to walk out through the front door into the front cockpit and back].
In fact a lot of the time when using a front cockpit sometimes there is actually no exposure to either the sun or wind.
Very few people have had experience with front cockpits so can't appreciate the many advantages.
I did my first front cockpit boat in 1998.
I would never have a conventional bridgedeck boat again without a front cockpit.
They have no equal with regard to safety and generally the boat will average higher speeds.
This is because the front cockpit is so easy to access and work in that there is no hesitation in going forward to reef or shake a reef out.
In Mango I could put a reef in the main at night by myself in about 3 minutes without exposing myself to any danger and even in 20 knots I wouldn't bother with wet weather gear as I simply didn't get wet.
I also tell all my owners, "don't hesitate to put a reef in the main as soon as you are thinking of it as usually the boat will actually go faster".
Again if you havn't got 'real' experience you won't know.

[Fanie]

Hi Bob,

Let him walk, he probably needs the exersize

I like the front exit idea.

Frosty made a nice point, catching up rain water. I can see this can become a valuable asset if it exists. You can wash the rain catching area before, even with sea water.

[masalai]

Sorry Bob - Not meaning to be presumptuous, just thinking aloud, but the rig I seek is sort of unique and I have no experience in sailing it but lots of analysing time and pondering the suitability of the twin genoa setup for my needs, age, intended cruising region and "passages" being mostly short hops between islands... I am content with the twin genoa sail plan and its constraints (a mostly downwind light airs sail boat)...

I am supremely confident in your design and inherent strength of systems - but am questioning my physical strength in some adverse situations, prefering powered genoa sheet winches and manual winches for furling/reefing lines... light air work I would use winch handles but power is a backup that I would appreciate and also still thinking and visualising situations and how to respond... I am working on the things you suggested I draw up, and by thinking aloud often sort myself out along the way...

The cabin profile thing may have been a tongue in cheek comment that I did not detect as such... This will be my one and only build and whatever, will not likely sell it... as it is uniquely me... I have seen pictures of Salter & Xtra Chilli, and the Salter cabin shape is very appealing... 'Mast mounted on the roof' is just seeking how to make the best space for the genset hatch...

[masalai]

Fanie, rain is seasonal and not really reliable enough to justify such modifications and plumbing. The best response can be equalled by stringing up a temporary plastic sheet and scooping out what is caught and filling plastic "jerry cans"...

[masalai]

Hi Fanie,
Works OK here for the flying doctor service, which is INLAND/ DESERT-country service, - - NO effective Government service HF offshore, - - so the grey nomads use the stuff for their wanderings in Winnebago and other forms of mobile (land) dwellings (marine frequencies locked out)... Why did you not buy a marine system like ICOM, and a few others - boy do you like things "the hard way" At a guess and with a quick google search Tait look like they specialise in commercial land mobile communications, although they do have a few marine offerings - but I would guess that their heart is not in marine HFSSB stuff...

- - Have you been raiding museum surplus stores?, haven't heard of Tait for ages and ages...

The gps licence, I guess is US "patented receiver" related ****, and / or relates to the land based operation where the gps location can be read by the "flying doctor" and related emergency services for which a regular registration fee would be required from the "Flying Doctor" or other related service - - - so "me-no-savvy-masta"...

No idea who they are but by searching google for Australian sites I got
- http://www.lakecomm.com.au/hfmarine.html - and -
- http://www.radtelnetwork.com.au/wheretobuy.html - and -
- http://www.aquatronics.com.au/produc..._tuner_package - and -
- http://www.geraldton-volunteer-sea-r...ine-radios.php - and -
- http://www.vhfradioonline.com/ as well as lots of others, loosely answering to - - HF marine radio - - Australia...

I got rid of all the stuff (information) I had on HF - - an amateur licensed system being one alternative suggested for HF, as the amateur (ham) community, as well as, Australian Volunteer Coastguard, still operate some Pacific and Australian waters networks...

I am going sat-phone, but not yet, as prices are coming down and technology improving, so, I hope/expect to be able to include FAX & email text services by the time I am ready, until then, VHF marine with the international channels will suffice, (30 mile range), and even allow me to call stray tankers that do not answer in English & cannot turn in time to avoid running me down... (Not likely, 'silver-grey-haired-old-man', not "blond girl" in a pink boat on a circumnavigation)

On this site you can zoom in and identify many ships by AIS and get information on speeds - they move at 22+knots so tell Manie to keep a good lookout, as I guess they would take a half hour to slow down and stop as a minimum.... http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/def...m=2&level1=140 It does not seem to be able to track mid ocean

[masalai]

Just put your ham radio in the boat and reprogram in the marine frequencies??? or whatever the Pacific yachties net is useful in HF - I know not of other HF nets, except for some Austrlaian Volunteer Coastuard stations that still use HF... I just have an ROCPR (or whatever it is called -Restricted radio operators certificate of competence, voice)

[Bob Oram]

I should clarify that I actually mean twin cockpits, that is; There is an aft cockpit as well as a forward cockpit.
The aft cockpit is a little smaller than a single aft cockpit boat.
The saloon area of the twin/front cockpit boat is actually much more sensible for a cruising boat whether the boat is to be used for tropical or cooler climates. The view forward inside a front cockpit boat is unbeatable and with doors open the flow through ventilation is wonderful in hot weather.
On all my designs from the 39C up the galley can be upstairs and it usually is.
I see a few other designers have now seen the light and offer the front cockpit as an option.
There are a few safety fundamentals that need to be followed though.

[masalai]

Hi Bob, Thanks for the info...

AaaarrgH, Ka, KA- EACHOOO, someone gave me a cold/flu virus, eyes puffed & watery, nose running like a tap, head pounding and no sleep for the last 2 nights... Lovely Lady says I am one to be avoided when I catch cold - worse than an old misery-guts - - so - - What I am trying to say is that which may have been done this week (including visiting Mum on her 88 birthday), will be postponed to next week.... or later?....

[hoytedow]

For cold, zinc has been recommended..

[masalai]

Fired from a gun?

[hoytedow]

See http://www.quantumhealth.com/.../zin...mmon_cold.html

[masalai]

hoytedow, Thanks, Lovely lady is bombing me with a mix including; horse radish, garlic, vitamin C and other stuff, probably includes Zinc... (is that a kitchen wash bowl with a heavy N Euro accent?)

Errr, Ummm, both your links fail May I suggest that you copy the link from where your browser displays where you are at... BD.net removes lots of stuff from a web-link when you paste so activate that link and copy the link from that opened web-page...