My little piece of peace

[boat fan]

Originally Posted by masalai

The difference is they are mostly "marina boats" for weekend jollies and slightly extended during vacations... Mine is to be an extended cruise permanent live aboard... there lies the difference and dilemma... Quality (clean/fresh) unleaded petrol is not easy to find in some regions of the south pacific, I can get coconut oil at most villages (they make it - or I can)...

I hear you Mas .......but what to do ?....The diesels and v dive are good , but the weight like you said ....you could get by on outboards Mas ...other " real " boats do.

Like you said before ...compromises ....

[Frosty]

Getting to the weight problems now I see. Everything weighs something and a little bit here and a little bit there mounts up --"it is the sum of"

Even bloody paint weighs a lot. One of the heaviest items on my boat was starter wiring,--2 engines 4 wires as short as I could but still 4 meters each, they were 15 kilo approx.

When the crane driver takes the load you will be hovering around the driver trying to peek at the gauges, pay him money to lie to you.

And when it gets in the water and your water line is already up, you burst into tears because you hav'nt got an anchor or chain on it yet.

Pots pans knife and forks, Oh and mattresses , very heavy.

[boat fan]

Bloody gravity ......

[masalai]

Quick, - - Where can I get a reliable sky hook?

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Manie B

Mas my 2 cents as well



100's of easy's cant be wrong, plenty schionning also

Wat is 'schionning' ?

[boat fan]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

Wat is 'schionning' ?

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&so...ZCNFLqVVkwidFQ

[Alan M.]

Originally Posted by masalai

The difference is they are mostly "marina boats" for weekend jollies and slightly extended during vacations... Mine is to be an extended cruise permanent live aboard... there lies the difference and dilemma... Quality (clean/fresh) unleaded petrol is not easy to find in some regions of the south pacific, I can get coconut oil at most villages (they make it - or I can)...

I think it's a bit of a myth about petrol not being available. And outboards don't have catalytic converters so they don't give a **** about whether it's unleaded or leaded.

I've been to some fairly remote bits of the Solomon's, also visited New cal and Vanuatu, and what you see is hundreds of locals running around in outboard powered boats. They're not usually diesel.

On land they all get around on scooters - they're not diesel either.

Most of Bob's boats under around 50' are outboard powered. Some of them are cruise fairly remote areas. Just have good filters and spare elements.

Oh and remember, you have sails.

[masalai]

hehehe.....

[Fanie]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Getting to the weight problems now I see. Everything weighs something and a little bit here and a little bit there mounts up --"it is the sum of"

Even bloody paint weighs a lot. One of the heaviest items on my boat was starter wiring,--2 engines 4 wires as short as I could but still 4 meters each, they were 15 kilo approx.

When the crane driver takes the load you will be hovering around the driver trying to peek at the gauges, pay him money to lie to you.

And when it gets in the water and your water line is already up, you burst into tears because you hav'nt got an anchor or chain on it yet.

Pots pans knife and forks, Oh and mattresses , very heavy.

I think you're doing it wrong Frosty. A man could hurt his back carrying heavy stuff like that. Have the missus carry it instead. If you look at statistics it's 99% of men that have back problems because they pick up too heavy stuff, while females for some reason doesn't. You can always cook her dinner or something.

[Frosty]

I cooked her dinner last night, but she complained the beans were cold and the toast was burned.

[masalai]

Sheeeesh lintels on toast? no wonder you got that name, a little effort would not go astray and require very little more work for a far greater reward If Baked beans on toast then that is for yourself with a couple of soft yokes cooked eggs to promote smelly farts as an act of rebellion/revenge, "that causes mostly self-inflicted pain".... as my understanding that the ladies do not appreciate the "dutch blanket"....

[catsketcher]

Gday Mas

I wouldn't worry about petrol, in fact I think it is easier to reason your way into petrol rather than diesel -

-every dinghy with an outboard needs petrol anyway so you are going to carry it even with a diesel boat
-cruisers with outboards will need parts in the Pacific so there will be stockists too
-it is much cheaper to get a common part for common outboard rather than an injector set for your typical diesel
-you have a sailing boat - a really nice SAILING boat. These motors are going to be auxiliaries. If you use them as trade wind bashers you would be doing your boat a dis-service. Think of them as things to use to get out of a pass, into an anchorage and along in a calm. They will need to push you fast into a contrary current and into a trade wind anchorage for a mile at most. They will also get you slipping along when the wind is absent.

For me this type of use is what outboards shine at. For a sailer the lack of legs and folded props is useful and cheap. I worked that out after I costed diesel tanks (I carry 4 jerry cans of petrol and the fuel tank provided), soundproofing, ventilation, motor controls (come with the outboard), stern gland, shaft, P bracket and folding prop (a good one costs more than $3000) I could have an outboard all ready to go for less money - without even thinking about the cost of the diesel motor.

Diesels still suit lots of people - you just need different priorities from me and if you aren't building your boat and can't find bits of stuff to build the nacelles from it costs a bit to make the mounts.

cheers

Phil

[Manie B]

thanks catsketcher good one

[masalai]

What was that ad where the failing comback starts "Year but I was" - - - going to have an electric galley (which I have) and just do the "beach cat stunt" & drive it quietly onto a nearby shallows/beach - beats setting an anchor in 50 fathoms for the night and carry one anchor ashore and one, by dingy - or - as one comes in, to pull me into deeper water... I only draw 700mm...

OK you are all making valid points.... and I do want as a light a boat as I can get... After all that is what I have been preaching... Final decision time for that is Jan 2010 or close by then....

Oh Manie, the yellow 39C of "Swiss Chris" is for sale in Cairns http://www.sonarmarine.com.au/ed.html?de=58769 - - - Talk to Bob Oram first if you are interested...

[boat fan]

... and I do want as a light a boat as I can get... After all that is what I have been preaching...

Good man Mas ...... I just KNOW you won`t turn that georgeous boat of yours into a bloated PIG .......