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Old 04-09-2015, 08:58 PM
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Maine B - I'm new on the forum and just have to ask - does your wife know you're building that toy in the basement? All kidding aside, I wish you the best of luck in your voyage. The only problem I see at the moment is that the boat is rather small while your gonads are obviously quite big, so there may be some comfort issues along the way! Take care out there. I'm sure you can do it and I'm looking forward to updates.
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Old 04-09-2015, 10:58 PM
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..... Tank tests have been performed and many other avenues have been explored and experimented with. The real world tests gave us the confidence to proceed with this project. Every point of concern that has ever been raised has been addressed and we are satisfied that that our design can overcome these concerns. ...
Could you provide some links or photos of these tests ? Also, any info on who "us" is as regards to the design - any real boat designers who will put their name to this ?

I cant locate them easily on the links in your posts.

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.We don't claim that our hull design is unique, in fact it is quite old school. .
No, your design is NOT old school. It is totally unique. If I offered it to Magellan, Nelson, Captain Cook or any other well known "bluff bowed" long range explorers, they would laugh you out of town.

Not one of those famous men owned even a small dinghy with such poor hull efficiency.


My predictions

1) is that if you launch with the wind offshore, and go further than 2 or 3 miles to sea, you wont be able to return to the same port without a wind change.

2) if you find yourself in a large bay, with an onshore wind, you wont be able to prevent yourself being blown onto the shore without a wind change.

3) Your TOP speed will be between 3 and 4 knots, but averaging out between 1 and 2 knots. This gives you a daily possible travel rate of 50 NM. This is about 3 weeks to get from say Durban to Madagascar. Thats an extra week and a half of solo steering, watchkeeping, food and water compared to an efficient hull shape averaging 6-8 knots. You may be a fit, healthy young man - but an extra 20 days of confined, body battering is a big challenge even for an athlete.
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Old 04-09-2015, 11:02 PM
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rwatson please give it a rest you have been beating the same drum with the same stick for the past 8 years, just because you don't get it doesn't mean that the thousands of supporters internationally doesn't get it.

You are not half as good as you think you are and your comments are seriously repetitive. I am tired of answering the same silly remarks over and over and over again, year after year after year. You have attacked and criticised every small boat thread since pa fell off the bus. Dozens of people have made very successful trips in the mean time and you still don't get it.

I am deliberately NOT blocking you because this is an open forum and people also need to read what the village idiot has to say, good or bad regardless. Get a life and get off the forums that you sit on all day long.
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Old 04-09-2015, 11:09 PM
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please wake up - I AM 62 YEARS OLD
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Old 04-09-2015, 11:10 PM
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rwatson please give it a rest you have been beating the same drum with the same stick for the past 8 years,... .
With respect, No I have not.

I have NEVER commented on your hull shape before. Not ONCE !


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Dozens of people have made very successful trips in the mean time and you still don't get it. "
I repeat - I am NOT reiterating my older objectionss to the boat size - just its inadequate design.

Even if you made the hull 20 or 30ft long, it would still be just as ineffective.

I look forward to any evidence of proper hull design being done.
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Old 04-09-2015, 11:11 PM
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please wake up - I AM 62 YEARS OLD

I know that very well - its called SARCASM !
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Old 04-09-2015, 11:12 PM
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jeez farkit if I am a fit healthy young man at 62 how frikken old and decrepit are you ?? one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel

over and out

as I said - 8 years of your comments is enough for me now

bye bye old man
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Old 04-10-2015, 12:22 AM
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For the new folks to the project

The TEN that I am building at the moment is the SIXTH boat that I am building. My pervious build number 5 is called "Fargo" completely to my own design. The inspiration for the hull design came from the Transat Mini's and I worked around the specifications of "Microclasse" which is 5m. I went for a balanced lug on Fargo and it does what I expected and I will also be using a similar system on TEN.

You can read more about Fargo

here

https://compaxboats.wordpress.com/

and here

Manie's Microcruiser

and here

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr8...GYr2FUDbvKBt5A

These things speak for themselves, my work and my history is well documented, I take full responsibility for myself. I do what I do and I know what I want from good old fashioned experience and endless hours and days of reading and studying. I also have to express my gratitude to all the experienced people around me that have been invaluable sources of information and many in depth discussions. Salute!
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Old 04-10-2015, 12:28 AM
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Fargo lines -my weekend getaway
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Old 04-10-2015, 02:30 AM
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Me either - maybe the faint hope that he will stop pouring money into this totally woeful hull sgape and re-start with a properly designed hull, even if it IS under ten foot.

I made and supported some caustic comments about the size of the boat for the job earlier on, but then I never realized that the hull design would be so bad as well.

I thought at least he would start with a hull design that wouldn't drag its sorry little *** like a duck with diarrhea with the sailing (pointing reaching AND running) ability of coconut. There is NO rig that would make this abomination sail well - square, triangular or oval !

Sure - the design "speaks for itself" - without even being in the water its yelling loud and clear "designed by someone with zero sailing experience"
Sven Yrvind is more or less building a similar hull for his "Tenner" and I dont know you or Sven personally but would it be fair to state that Sven has a multifold of blue water sailing in small boats compared to you ? (not being sarcastic)
He (Sven) must have got his inspiration from 50+ years of sailing in all kind of vessels to arrive at the hull shape he's intending to use for the "around in ten" challange, that must count for something I assume.

Every boat is a compromise I guess and I think it's difficult to create the space in Manie's or Sven's "Tenner" with....another hull shape than the "coconut" hull.

The 10 ft sailboat I'm working on has more resemblence with Manry's "Tinkerbelle" and might "look" more like a capable sailboat but I doubt that it will be as "comfortable" and with the same storage space as the "coconut" hulls......and I have no clue that it will sail any better.

Perhaps we should wait and see what both gentlemen are capable of in their tiny circumnavigators before we take our swords out and blindly start swing them around.
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Old 04-10-2015, 08:29 AM
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At 10' the coconut is the only shape that will hold enough supplies for the amount of time out there.

Look at other 10' boats that crossed oceans. Nothing more than boxes with sails that go downwind.

If you can design a hull at 10' that carries all needed supplies and sails well upwind then do it. These gents would do it too but they cant and neither can you so learn to love the coconut.
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Old 04-10-2015, 08:54 AM
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stonedpirate you are 100% correct thanks. I am not looking for spectacular upwind performance from my coconut, but the ability to tack thru 120/140 degrees is sufficient.
going to follow the wind
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Old 04-10-2015, 11:27 AM
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Coconuts have "sailed" thousands of miles to populate every Pacific islands so their hull shape might not be as bad as we think
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Old 04-10-2015, 08:42 PM
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Manie B - What happened to the previous boats? Is there a market to sell such a vessel or do you still have the entire fleet? Passion is what drives people to do great things and you certainly seem to have that going for you! I'm not a blow boater by any means, but I will be following this post closely. Keep up the good work Cap!
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Old 04-11-2015, 12:49 AM
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The first 4 boats were small stuff - canoo's dinghy's etc. I basically gave them away for very little money. Fargo was the nice project. in South Africa the market is so small that in comparison to anything else in the world you would describe it as non-existent, that is also why I had to build what I wanted because the stuff that is available on the second-hand market is junk. You wont make money out of boat building here unless you build large super catamarans for the overseas markets, and even that is problematic. Our labour force is terrible, just read the newspapers and you will see what I mean.

The TEN that we are building is a whole lot more than just a boat, it's an adventure, a high tech bundle of top end components, a self sufficient "life capsule"
Yes it is insanely expensive, dollar per foot is crazy, but you will see as we go along that this is a fantastic little ship.

The first stage of the build was to ensure relative comfort, we have achieved that beautifully.
The next stage of the build will be the start of the electronic gizmo's. This stage is underway and you will enjoy the next series of pictures over the next couple of weeks. This is essentially the "roof" cabin top wheel house
The final stages will be the keel, rudder, and swim platform.
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