BOAT design / manufactoring in CHINA

[Wellydeckhand]

Anybody knows of Chinese made steamship website or steamship engine? pls forwad me the website........thanks.

[longliner45]

Its almost criminal to encourage anyone to buy from china .........slave labor. high quotas,, beatings for poor attendance or performance, child labor ,,,ext,,,extera,you are not doing these guys a favor forbuying from them they reap no benifits

[Wellydeckhand]

Mmmm.... U got a point...... I will start throwing all my persian carpet if someone would tell me about advancement in China steamengine.....

[Sander Rave]

I guess we all started like that Longliner
The Netherlands have a bad rep regarding slavery and so has the US, the Mexican border is another exaple of economic unfairness. But I don't like to make it a political thing...

[Wellydeckhand]

Dont Think China have any slavery........ for real.........

BUT..... if a person is beguild to work for a undervalue small pay even though the person is very happy about it then I dont think it is slavery.

Chinese people dont eat Half Kilo steak everyday.......... so when the chinese drink sop or porriages......... The western world see it as a person force by poverty and supressed by the govt. (untrue)

That why richboatbuilder tend to be overweight and beer infested happy..... I am glad to that at least................HIC***...........HIC****.........

Back to non political question if I may: Do China produce steam engine? If so does anybody know their website or presence?Thanks

[longliner45]

I was going to pm botenoutlet and apoligize. but I figure I said it online ,so Ill apoligize online . the chinies people are hard workers, they have morals I wish we had. I think its thier govt, I dont like .but I dont care much for mine either ,No nation is perfect but if a man wants to work ,,,,,,,let him ,I think someday China will be a free nation! you cant hold them down much longer!I know this is not a political site but please let this slid ,,,this one time, longliner

[genuineyachts]

Hi,

As a Chinese who has been living in China for 29 years, I was shocked by Longliner45's comment.

I have been in most of the yacht builders in China and noticed no slave labor, beating......

May I ask whether you have been in China? Where did you get those stories about China?

[ladivito]

Do anybody know about the boat building industry in Malaysia ? how is the price compare to others country ?

Ducaes : How is the market in malaysia compare to others country base on your experience ?

Thanks

[Wellydeckhand]

Originally Posted by longliner45

I was going to pm botenoutlet and apoligize. but I figure I said it online ,so Ill apoligize online . the chinies people are hard workers, they have morals I wish we had. I think its thier govt, I dont like .but I dont care much for mine either ,No nation is perfect but if a man wants to work ,,,,,,,let him ,I think someday China will be a free nation! you cant hold them down much longer!I know this is not a political site but please let this slid ,,,this one time, longliner

No political power can hold the people from wanting better life........... youre probarly right about everybody turning free........ ...........Thats what Betty said last nite........... .........

[jpatarickwagner]

Don't send your money. You will loose it. common trick is to get a first production model excellent product. the the rest are substandard. and at a trade show. You see a copy that good or better than yours and later discover it by the people you hired and outfitted and are know screwing you big time. Thats a standard business practice. Just ask Philips,NV(electronics), Medtronics(Pacemakers) and Narvartis (drugs) and 5 thousand other stupid occidental owned companies, But MY uncles china business is doing OK, 3 of 4 Partners are from mainland china, his sons wife is daughter of one of highest Commie Party officials.

[adamfocht]

From a production and mfg standpoint, I would like to know at what level are the asian builders actually producing powerboats. Do they use similar resins to what we use here in the states? What about cored construction, or vacuum bagging, infusion. I see and read alot on china (especially) as far as steel industries go, and how the government has come in and invested heavily in better techniques and processes as it involves steel and mfg with it. Is the same true for composites? Where could I learn more about finding out about this.

Thanks,

[Sander Rave]

Make a suvey. Talk to the people and go there to see with your own eyes. They can produce everything you like, but same as everywhere else, quality has it's price.

If you go for a bargain in a low cost labour country (any one) you get a lousy job. An expert wil cost you, so does A class material. They can get it, they have the expertise, and they can build it.

But you have to look for it and see with your own eyes, better yet, hire somebody with expertise in the county and that talks the language. It wil reduce your headaches. not only believe what they say... Call it cultural differences.

Bottom line, it's an interresting opportunity, but you have to put a lot of effort into it.

[Wellydeckhand]

You get good guys and bad guys all over the world........ get the big name that would ensure quality as smaller one could not back their claim.......

Material wise China have a lot of traditional way of doin things their way which I have no idea..........

Their material would be similiar but not the same as America unless u are talking about Aluminium and welding which is Internationally standard.

Travel China a bit to see the truth for yourself....... it would be a faction the cost of a wrong decision...........

Wellydeckhand

[Ari]

Ladivito you are asking for what type of Malaysian build boat ? Very fine Wooden sail boat can be built in Pulau Duyong in Trengganu. The cost is about USD 400K up for vey fine boat at 70-80 feet long. Fishing boat of same size is about USD100k. Luhrsen, Grand Bank they build different type, Explorer built small boats,container ships and tankers are built in Pasir Gudang and Naval ship at Lumut..their cost are comparable to any Asian country..of course cheaper than europe..you will be paying in ringgit..you are welcome to have a looks around

[boatgm]

I worked in Asian yards for over 15 years. The one thing I would suggest is a very complete design. If your drawings don’t show the veneer thickness, your plywood spec, and complete coating/adhesive details you are in trouble from the start. If all bulkhead penetration are not completely defined don’t sign till they are. Every wire and junction box should be defined. Even with an onsite manager every part has to be well defined before the deal is signed so that you and the yard are under full agreement. Spend time in the yard. Hire them to do a cabin include some wiring, painting, and joinery work. Commission them to build an frp component something like an outside steering station. Have a few stainless steel parts fabricated. Is the welding rod defined in your spec? Is the polish finish defined? If there are questions bring samples and include them in the contract specification. The parts you make are not wasted you can always use them in your marketing efforts. Spend time with your on site folks and yard management, not everyone can work in Asia. The better the project is understood by all parties the more likelihood of success.