NEW affordable, long-term liveaboard design query

[Filmdaddy]

After a hiatus, I am back and asking, again, for ideas about a lumberyard design boat that would function as a long-term liveaboard. What tips or ideas are out there for making the boat quick and easy to build, maintain and operate? Power, materials, plans, size... any information is solicited and will be gratefully received.

[JPC]

Noting your response to the results in your earlier thread, I'm wondering if you might have an example of a production boat that has some of the features that YOU like. Maybe that would coalesce the comments towards ideas that are useful for you. (I know that you're not actually looking for comments on an existing boat, per se, but maybe this would help simply by providing a starting point for a conversation that you could then redirect as certain ideas appeal/don't-appeal).

Are there some out there that have caught your eye or inspired your thoughts towards the project you've described?

[Filmdaddy]

I guess the prototype that intrigues me the most is George Beuhler's "Pilgrim". Go to http://www.georgebuehler.com/Pilgrim.html, and check it out. It can, according the the text, be built for $15,000 in 1998 dollars. It isn't perfect for the intended use, but it is closer than most of the other boats I've seen, and I can see how it could be modified to become a superb liveaboard. (Mr. Beuhler isn't interested in changing anything. I corresponded with him briefly, and he says the boat is what it is. i agree with him, of course. I just have these dreams...)
"Loose Moose" is another example of a boat that embodies some of the things that I would like to see - simple, fast build...

[Deering]

Besides living aboard it, what else do you want to do with it? Cross oceans? Catch fish? Leave it parked at the marina? Do you have strong feelings about a particular aesthetic?

Form follows function, particularly as you get more "affordable".

[yipster]

once saw a 15 meter sharpie flatbottom furnished inside, (most work and biggest part of the $) having the port side panel made separatly and placed in after interior installations.

[Filmdaddy]

Deering...
No particular preconceptions, beyond an interest in at least a 'limp-home' capacity sail plan. Most of the time, the boat would be cruising in good weather, on the hook in bad. Some consideration in dealing with cold weather would be appreciated. There is no interest whatsoever in crossing oceans. Rivers are more likely, with lakes from small to large the norm. Build must be fast, easy and cheap. The aesthetic component would reflect entirely your observation that form follows function. A "beautiful" boat would be one that would provide a low technology home where two people could live with warmth and a touch or privacy when required, and make their slow, gentle way from place to place without much fuss at all. Fishing (sport) would be a plus, marinas will be an exception.

Yipster...
Now that's just clever! Creative, thinking 'outside the hull'! What do you think of the idea of an Ikea interior? Instead of hand crafting and fitting the interior, simply buy good but cheap furniture and cabinetry and install it in the boat. It would speed up construction, and cut down on the costs.

[Deering]

My older brother has expressed very similar thoughts to yours. Here's a design we looked at which may have promise. Simple construction, plywood stitch & glue for quick assembly. Low costs. Easily scaled in size. http://www.boatplans-online.com/studyplans/GT27_study.htm

Not a blue water boat by any stretch, but looks like it can handle a bit of chop with good freeboard. Low draft. Should be stable on the hook which is a plus for a liveaboard.

My guess is that two reasonably capable guys could build this boat in a month if they stayed on task (fine print: your mileage may vary. does not include outfitting).

[Filmdaddy]

Yeah, I like the concept. I actually considered this a while back, and am still contemplating the possibilities. I might like a little more room, though. How do you think it would scale up to, say, 33 feet?

[Deering]

Pretty easily I would think. You might need to increase scantlings a bit. Ask the boys over at Bateau if they could enlarge it.

Often with ply construction you want to keep the size within a certain multiplier to maximize material usage. For instance, it would be a mistake to make a hull bottom 49 inches wide...

[Filmdaddy]

Yeah, too right. That's why I mentioned lumberyard boats. I don't know who coined the phrase, but it is exactly right - as little carpentry and cabinetmaking as possible because the wood is used as it comes from the lumberyard.
Stitch and glue seems like such a no-brainer, easy, economical, fast, the resulting boat can be as sturdy and long-lived as any other boat, given the same maintenance. About the only negative I've been able to find is that, as a construction method, it requires a design with hard chines. And for me, that's not a bad thing at all.
In your opinion, how hard would it be to add the 'limp home' sail plan to this design?

[Deering]

Can't help you on the limp home sail plan - up here our backup propulsion is a second outboard.

But it can't be that tough - a stick and a bedsheet I figure, though some smartypants on this list will go on and on about stability and bending forces... and they'll use fancy nautical terms like 'keel' and 'rudder' and 'boom'.

Get a 9.9 hp high-thrust outboard and you'll be all set.

[Filmdaddy]

<grin> Thanks. I'll start checking the Wabaso site.

[SamSam]

After a hiatus, I am back and asking, again, for ideas about a lumberyard design boat that would function as a long-term liveaboard. What tips or ideas are out there for making the boat quick and easy to build, maintain and operate? Power, materials, plans, size... any information is solicited and will be gratefully received.

This is something that you might at least get ideas from. Sam
http://houseboatdesigns.com/eco50build.htm

[Filmdaddy]

Thanks, Samsam. Good site. Food for thought.

[SamSam]

Here's another. Sam
http://www.oldhouseparts.com/OldHouseCraft_1.htm

[Filmdaddy]

I should put you on commission, SamSam. Thanks again.

[Buildboats]

Hi... Parker marine (http://www.parker-marine.com/commuterpage.htm)built a nice florida keys cruising boat. I'm working on a multihull project that will be built from plywood with flat panel construction, little bigger than what you seem to be after but easy to build (I hope):confused: . I thoought this might generate some discussion anyhow?

[Buildboats]

Parker has a shot of the interior (http://www.parker-marine.com/interiorspage.htm) Top right pic. The boats a bit small but was cheap to build and out fit

[Filmdaddy]

Yeah, Reuel B. was an early inspiration of mine. I read his book cover to cover a few times. He has, in fact, given me several shortcuts that make a lot of sense. I don't know how to insert links, but if you Google George Beuhler, you might get some interesting insights. Cheap/fast build and outfit is a good thing!

[Buildboats]

inserting links is in your tool bar for posting high light what you want as the title Like George Beuler and then click the little globe in the tool box it will bring up the text box for a hyper link

[SamSam]

Hi... Parker marine (http://www.parker-marine.com/commuterpage.htm)built a nice florida keys cruising boat.

That's like this thing but faster. At the bottom of the page is a construction journal which is a good read, somewhere on the site is a travel journal also. Sam
http://markvdesigns.tripod.com/boatbuilding/id12.html

[Buildboats]

construction journel is very good

[twboatworks]

That parker marine 36 is a pretty nice looking boat. Its kept a few docks down from my boat in Key West. I've walked by it a few times. Not something I would prefer, but it has nice lines, looks like it has a decent amount of room for overnight trips, and is definetly streamlined for high speed with very little power.

[SamSam]

http://reiheld.home.mchsi.com/boat.htm

[Mayfly]

What is the best material for floating home that is trouble free?

[DanishBagger]

Concrete, Mayfly?

I'm not kidding, many houseboats are build with concrete-pontoons, and whatever you want on top of it.

[Mayfly]

yeh.. but I heard if you have fix it you cant tell it is a failure or success... I guess if it is a success they would be a fleet of these thing in marina and habour.

[DanishBagger]

Hmm, imagine if bill gates said that back in the days: "Hell, if silicon was a good idea it would be everywhere" ;)

Seriously, though, most purposebuilt houseboats (i.e. not rebuilt ships) here are built on concrete floats.

[DanishBagger]

Btw, an entirely different argument - well sort of - all concrete:

http://www.highways.dk/danmark/broer/images/bro_storebaelt_naer_500x375.jpg

[H2O_BABIES]

That is a bridge. Wrong pic or just pulling legs:)

[DanishBagger]

That is a bridge. Wrong pic or just pulling legs:)

Hehe, yes, it's a bridge. It's the right picture. And I'm not pulling your legs. That is a concrete bridge immersed in seawater. If they can pour that thing from concrete, surely one can build a good pontoon from concrete.

Well, that was my reasoning, anyways.

[H2O_BABIES]

you mean a floating concrete bridge on sea water? Great Scot.!!!:eek:

[DanishBagger]

LOL, no - I'm saying that if they can build that thing, you can certainly pour concrete well enough to make it strong enough to support your floating home.
Of course one of the biggest bridges in the world doesn't float, but if concrete is stable enough for that application, it will be stable enough to make a couple of pontoons. Just take adequate care while pouring it.

Edit:

To prove my point, this company make concrete pontoons for marinas/harbours:

http://www.marinetek.net/en/marinetek.html

[duluthboats]

Floating concrete bridges in salt water are not common but they do exist. http://www.kiewit.com/project/pro_29003001.html Sorry for the sidetrack, but this shows the usefulness of concrete floats.
Gary :D

[DanishBagger]

Floating concrete bridges in salt water are not common but they do exist. http://www.kiewit.com/project/pro_29003001.html Sorry for the sidetrack, but this shows the usefulness of concrete floats.
Gary :D

Heh, nice :D

A little low in comparison to the bridge of Storebælt, but cool example, nonetheless

[Guillermo]

...If they can pour that thing from concrete, surely one can build a good pontoon from concrete...
Yeap! They can even build boats! :p
http://www.ferroboats.com/

[DanishBagger]

Yeap! They can even build boats! :p
http://www.ferroboats.com/


LOL, I had completely forgotten about that!! :p

[nova scotia]

Just a idea . lots of cape island lobster boats around here . fiberglass over wood goes real cheap . build a longer house on it . Ive seen a few done that turn out good .

And if you ever did decide to cross a ocean you probly could . I Lobster fish in a 38 foot cape islander now . we've hauled in some severe conditions (gale force), they can take some sea .
I think I even know some solid fiberglass ones that are going cheap . A fellow here with a 42 footer just ordered a new boat . his old one is well kept . might not be as pretty as yatchts but will do the trick .