Bugis Ketch for sale

[Neven]

Built in 1998 in Bira on Sulawesi, this boat is a real South-East-Asian classic with a long history. These boats sailed a century ago till Madagascar and China and had a high reputation for sailing and material quality across Asia. The deck and the interior is made out of Sulawesi teak, the hull and other parts of heavy iron wood. With its three double cabins and two berth in the main room it has enough capacity for charter cruises of any kind. Its LAO is 21,6m, beam is 5m and the draft 1,7m. Using only the engine (Yanmar) the boat reaches a speed of 6,9 kn. It is equipped with 2 Navicom / Icom, 2 GPS fixed / portable and deep sounder. It has four sails with a total of 150 square meters (Marconi / decron). Thanks to the affectionate care of the owner the boat is still in very good condition. It last checkup was in Sept. 2001, the next one will be in Oct. 2002. The boat has lots of storing place, a 2000 l fuel and a 2500 l water tank, 8 batteries, one Generator and 1000W Inverter, one refrigerator, lots of tools and a 4,1m fiberglass dinghy. All together for just 75.000 US$!

[Neven]

On our web site there are more photos and new infos about the Ketch. Please visit:
http://www.people.freenet.de/promaritim/sampai.html

[James]

I would like to know if the Bugis Ketch is still for sale.Ready for purchase in next fiscal quarter. Such a beautiful ship, have fallen in love with her. Looking forward to your reply. J.P.W.

[Neven]

The Ketch is still for sale. Just the page with more information on it has moved to:

http://www.promaritime.com/sampai.html

Kind Regards

H. Neven

[James]

Listed price stands at 75,000 U.S. dollars?

[Neven]

Price is confirmed and cannot be reduced anymore. The owner was already thinking about putting the price in Euro rather than in Dollar. :o

Regards

[James]

Fantastic. What would transport of the Bugis to Hawaii involve? Do you have any information on this?
thankyou,
JPW

[Neven]

The transport of the Ketch to Hawai would be around US$ 1.50 per nautical mile incl. insurance (around US$ 18.000.-). This would be transport by shipping. But we can also try to find a crew who just likes to sail this boat and we can get it for sure a lot cheaper. This classic boat is a real dream and it should not be so difficult to find the right persons who would enjoy sailing her to Hawai (maybe myself?). Of course the Ketch has to be prepared for the trip (spare parts, spare sails etc.), but for the boat itself it is no problem.

Regards

[James]

We are VERY interested in purchase of the ketch. we are prepared to sail her from current location to L.A. Two questions;
1. What sort of "good will" down payment would you accept to insure us as the number one buyer? We are currently assembling the monies, and need approximatley two months.

2. Are you expierenced enough to skipper the ship from her current location to Hawaii or L.A. with a limited expierence crew? We would be ecstatic to have an expierenced skipper as well as someone who knows the boat well.
regards
JPW

[Neven]

About a possible down payment we will contact the owner and ask him. Currently there are two other parties interested in the Ketch. The first is German and wants to take a look at it in the beginning of July, the other American and wants to take a look at the Ketch in August.
As both parties are very interested as well, I don't know which down payment the owner would accept. Anyway, in general we can of course not recommend a down payment before you have even seen the boat with your own eyes! The best would be to make a short trip to Phuket. It would cost you three days, but then you can be sure it is the right boat for you and worth the money and the effort! You could also meet a builder who can prepare the Ketch for the long voyage.
We are confident to find you a good crew for the transfer, but we cannot promise any time frame yet. We will also not start looking for a crew unless the deal is closed. We hope for your understanding.

[Neven]

Dear Mr. Ward,

Just to keep you (and whoever visits this site as well) informed: The Germans really like the boat but because the owner put up the price to 85.000 Euro they were not so pleased and are still pondering what they should do now and most probably will not buy her. Also the interested parties from Singapore did not show up yet. So it seems you are at the moment the only interested one.

Anyway, this Ketch is not the only traditional vessel for sale. Please have again a look at our page www.promaritime.com/brokerage.html. We have always new vessels coming in.

Kind Regards

[James]

Neven,
Excuse the lapse in corespondence. I have been watching the price of the bugis ketch slowly rise, at the same time the boat market has gotten softer and softer. I now have the capitol for purchase, but the 99,000 euro price on the ketch is ridiculous. I was interested in finding out what other traditional vessels of the same size were avalible. I would like to to find one for about 100 k US.
regards
JPW

[Neven]

Dear Mr. Ward,

Yes, I'm sorry, the price went up because the owner installed a lot of new equippment. I think he is actually sorry as well to sell it and maybe doesn't know what he really wants. I think he is afraid going back and start a new life over there because in Europe the situation is a bit uncertain...

Anyway, as I said, there are vessels for sale as well at: www.promaritime.com/brokerage.html

Hopefully you will find one suitable for you.

But please, before giving up: What would be the last price you would offer for the Ketch? We will ask Eddy a last time then. It's a bit difficult to say, I know, because you never have seen the Ketch yourself...

Kind Regards

[James]

neven,
I would not be willing to go over 100,000 american. I would of course be paying the amount in full, in the form of a wire transfer.
I am still interested in purchasing a vessel. None of the Turkish ships on your site have price listings, a price list would help alot. Also, if you have any other ships in the phuket region like the bugis, I would be interested.
regards
jpw

[Neven]

I will ask Eddy and send you the price list. But the Turkish boats are more expensive than the Bugis one.

It should be just a classic boat, should it?

Besok lagi

General Specifications
Builder Indonesia
Length 16 m Drought 1.60
Beam 4.50 Launched 1992
Last Slipped Jan 2003 Refit 2002
Machinery
Engine Hino Max Speed 11 knots
Horse Power 165 Hp Engine Cond. Rebuild, Jan 2003
Gear Box China Deang, New Jan 2003 Fuel Type Diesel
Fuel Tanks 400 L
Galley
Stove Yes Sink Yes
Ice Box Yes Fridge Yes
Accommodation
Single Berth 2 Double Berth 3
No. Cabins 2 Storage 1
Total Berths 8 Toilet 1
Shower 1 Description 2.40
Electrical Equipment
Radio Yes Depth sounder Yes
Compass Yes Radar Yes
Bilge Pump Yes Inverter Yes
Batteries 400 Deep Cycle Amp + 200 Amp Solar Panels Yes
Safety Equipment
Life Jacket 8 Fire Ext. 2
Fenders 3 Dinghy Yes
General Equipment
Winch Yes Anchor Two
Rope Chain 100 m Cover / Awning Yes

Water
Water Tanks 600 L
Accessories
Deck Washer Yes Game Chair Yes
Swim Ladder Yes Davit Yes
Sullage Pump Yes Search Light Yes
Outboard Yes Horse Power 8
Sail Equipment
Masts 2 Rigging Ketch
Keel Type Long
Asking Price: US$ 60,000

Regards

[James]

Neven,
that sounds great. Do you have some photos, I checked the promaritime page and didint see the vessel. I was looking for something a little closer to seventy feet, but for sixty US, this is very acceptable. Are there any more traditional vessels in your listings?
regards
JPW

[Neven]

I sent you already photos to your mail account together with the price list for the turkish boats. Sorry, I do not have more than these and also no other Bugis vessel available.

If you didn't receive my mail please send me an actual mail address to: neven@promaritim.com

Regards

[Neven]

Dear Mr. Ward,

I got a short note from Eddy:

About ours, do you think that Mr Ward knows about the last investments we did, and every thing work perfectly
Actually the euro is 1 to 1.19 usd, average rate, not receiving transfert.
I have to sail for few days tomorrow and i will give you my answer after that, i know that if the offer was close to the asking price i will say yes directly.
Keep in touch
Regards

[Neven]

Dear Mr. Ward,

Eddy agreed on the $100.000 and is ready to show you the boat from the 6th of January on. I sent you addtional photos to your old mail address. I would be nice if you could confirm that you received it.

Kind Regards

[James]

Neven,
fantastic. I have not recieved the photos however. My email address is Morlock9@hotmail.com. I will be looking for the photos.
regards,
JPW

[Neven]

I have sent you the photos to exactly this address. If you do not received it I will resend.

Regards

[oddball]

james your hotmail addy maynot allow files over a certain size, or your mail box is full you should check

[Neven]

Thanks oddball. Yes, Hotmail is a bit miserly with its 2MB!

I try to upload the photos here.

[bwanabrad]

l will be in Phuket on Jan 20 & 21, any chance of talking to someone about this boat or taking a look at it on either of those dates ?

[Neven]

Please contact me at neven@promaritim.com

Thanks

[Neven]

Sorry! But other Bugis vessels are available. Please visit our site www.promaritime.com.

[poetprince]

having spent considerable time in indonesia
and especially sulawesi and the spice islands
doing a study on traditional boatbuilders
and sailing on
i would contend
that although this is definitely a ketch built in the 1990's
that the 'long history' of these boats
and the Bugis
should be categorized as Bugis Pinisi Schooners
or more commonly as Makassar Schooners
taken from the name of the provincial capital in South Sulawesi
there are many of these types of boats still working the waters
the one i sailed on for many months was a 75 footer
and mainly used as an inter island cargo vessel
if you're really interested in them i could halp you with further research
if you're interested in owning one
you can buy one for much less than $100,000usd
mind you that would not include the extensive equipment list mentioned here
but you could outfit it yourself to your own specs and still come out ahead
the other option is to have one built right there
i could also help with that
although i feel bad mentioning such a thing
as this is not an attempt to hijack the original thread
please feel free to contact me here
and we can discuss matters further

~poetprince

[Neven]

No worries of hijacking the thread ;) !

But some comments may be allowed:

You will not get a 75’ footer on Sulawesi for “much” less than $ 100.000 although you can get it for around $ 100.000. But you will have to stay a considerable time yourself in the country, which will cost money, and you have to know how to deal with the locals in order not to get cheated. In addition, the export of such a vessel is only “half-legal” without EPTIK license and one should know how to bring it out of the country afterwards.

We offer project management for new build of these vessels. To give an example of the costs (contract recently signed between a customer from Austria and us):

VESSEL FEATURES

Traditional Pinisi Schooner
LOA 25 meters
Beam 5.8 – 5.9 meters
Draft 2-3 meters
Main Marine or Marinized Engine 200hp x 1
240hp-Turbo charged 6 cyl 2000 rpm (Possible)
GENSET with Panel 35-58hp generating 15 KVA + backup power source from vessels Main Engine
Chinese Gear Box 6-1 or appropriate ratio
Steering & System Hydraulic
Rudder & Shaft assembly Steel – Shaft Stainless
Stuffing Box & 4 blade prop Quality
Main Anchor Winch Electric or Hydraulic
Main Engine Panel Basic
Radar 15nm Small (15 to 34nm Range)
Communications SSB or Sat phone + VHF
Depth Sounder Basic
Compass Basic
GPS – Plotter Basic
Running Lights Basic
Search Light Basic
Halogen Deck Flood Light System Basic
Bilge System 3 units 2000 GPH
Engine Ventilators 4 units
Fire Safety Equipment On standard
Fuel Tank Steel Capacity 5 Tons
Water Tank Steel & Sealed 5 Tons
Tool Kit Basic
Muffler & Water Lock Professional
Water Intake & Output Systems 6 points +
Electric Stove & Burner
Reverse Cycle A/C & Heat 1 unit 70,000 BTU or 2 units 35,000 BTU
2 Fridges / 1 Freezer / Dishwasher Electric
Stainless Sink & PVC Supplies
Ceramic WC x 3
24 electrical wire system High Capacity
220 volt electric wire system High Capacity
Battery System & Bat Charger High Capacity
Plate Glass windows
8 x 12inch port holes Brass
Deck hardware Stainless
Rope Appropriate
Cable, clamps & turn-buckles Galvanized
Sail’s Heavy Canvas
Plastic Plates and Plastic Glasses (For positioning cruise)
One Coat Wood Primer Exterior
Nippon Marine Paints
Anti-fouling
Bow & Stern Thrusters Large
Water Heater Electric
Pressurized Water System Electric Powered 220v & 24v


The targeted and budgeted cost of this project is set at 1,030,000,000 IDR, based on today’s BBR of Indonesian Rupiah of 10,550 IDR to 1 Euro (around US$ 118.000).

This price includes full project management as described:

A. Fine tone the construction estimate on the Pinisi Project
B. Builder Selection and wood stock approval.
C. Administration of payments to the builder
- 33.3% of project cost on builder contract (5000 Euro Confirmed as paid)
- 33.3% of Project cost at 5 months
- Balance of Project cost before launch
D. Assistance in Design of vessel and interior
E. Supervision of construction process with photo updates documenting the project process.
F. Administration of required documentation of the constructed vessel.
G. Arrange the CIQP & CAIT (Cruising Permit) for the completed foreign flagged vessel to depart Indonesia. 3 month cruising permit cost 200 Euro.
H. Assistance in crew selection for the position cruise to the MED

[poetprince]

thank you neven
you iterated some of the issues i intended to bring up
such as dealing with locals
and also export licensing
it's good to know there are qualified and gracious people out there
especially those willing to share up to date and pertinent information
if i can be of any further help
in areas concerning boatbuilding and/or nautical history
please feel free to contact me anytime

~poetprince

[blueskyonmars]

i would like to know more about the process i would have to go threw to have a pinisi schooner built in suliwesi for less that 100000 usd . I have talked to a few people and have gotten the run around from quite a few people that said they would help me start the project. Thee are two things that would have to be done to my standards one is motor mounts two the hull inside and out would hav to be glass coated befor the boat ever entered the water.

[Neven]

Hello,

If you want to start construction it can be done at anytime. We have kilned dried wood stock and space available today at the yard.

Motor Mounts, we do not suggest flexible mounts, we prefer to simply bolt the engine to the engine bed and also prefer low gear ratios to allow slow turning shaft and large prop.

We do not recommend glassing a hull, however if you wish it can be done. Wooden boats with traditional crew will assure no leaking in the long term.

It would help if you tell us where the boat is to be taken and what it will be used for.

Best Regards

[blueskyonmars]

Neven
The boat would be used as a live abord or my house. The reason why I would like to glass the hull is to keep any and all wood to ocean contact at bay preventative maintenance. I would end up sailing her to hawaii. people have told me that these boats are not designed to be ocean travlers but i have talked to a German guy that had his boat built in Suliwesi and is now sailing off the coast of Greece. I would need to talk to a naval architect to understand what modifications would need to be done to make the schooner open ocean worthy. Every sence I first saw my first pinisi schooner I have vowed to own one and that will be the boat I spend my money on. I am still not ready yet but I am getting close and need to start preprations.

[Neven]

Sailing to Hawaii ?

It has been done before with Pinisi Nusantara, in fact that one went all the way to Vancouver. As long as you select the right time of year and follow the pilot charts, it should be able to happen.

You should plan to visit us one day and talk about all the details in person!

Below a picture of said vessel (for the Austrian) at beginning of construction.