Hereshoff/Haven 12 1/2 daysailers

[glwanabe]

Can anyone point me in the direction of boat plans of similer design profile that are of plywood construction? I have found this boat that looks pretty good from Devlins site.

http://www.devlinboat.com/dcnancyschinadc.htm

Any help with finding similer sized easier to build designs than the real 12 1/2 would be appreciated.

[Raggi_Thor]

Not plywood, but coldmolded, but anyway:
http://www.havensailboats.com/designdetails.htm

[Raggi_Thor]

Phil Bolger has made a plywood "interpretation" of the Hereshof 12.5. I don't find it on the net but it's in the book "Boats with an open mind".

[mackid068]

I think they have Hereshoff 12.5 reproductions at a lot of places. Look in the back of Sail magazine. They have some sources. This site also seems to sell reproductions: http://www.havensailboats.com/havensailboats.htm

[mackid068]

Whoops, that's the same one I suggested...Sorry.

[mackid068]

Herreshoff 12 1/2
1275 Atlantic Highway
Northport, ME 04849
USA
Phone: 207-338-0100
Fax: 207-338-0111

It's their class association.

[mackid068]

Maybe you could look at a Cape Cod Bull's Eye. This is their class association. http://www.bullseyeclass.org/evolve.htm

[Steve Hutchins]

I believe John Brooks, of Brooklin, ME built a plywood lapstrake version a couple of years ago. You can reach him at brooksboats@hypernet.com

[duluthboats]

Read Steve Bauer's post in this thread. http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7817

[glwanabe]

I was looking to stay away from having to steam bend frames. That is a little beyond my space and time constraints. I need to be able to build in a two car garage and not have the project stretch over several, 3+ years. Thanks for all the reply's so far.

[PAR]

I see you found us, Glwanabe, welcome. There are many choices and many places to look. I would recommend you consider single chine plywood, multi chine plywood, strip plank or glued lapstrake as the construction methods (listed in order of easiest build) Have you tried the "plans houses" like Glen-L, Clark Craft and the like yet? They have quite a few designs available, as does the mentioned WoodenBoat Store, which has a few hundred. Sam Devlin's stuff is very easy to build. Many of the classic John Gardner designs could be converted to stitch and glue. Iain Oughtred's work many do it for you. Bolger has some good little dayboats also. Arch Davis, Chesapeake Marine Design, Swallow Boats, Ken Hankinson, Harold Payson, Paul Grtside and Tracy O'Brien Marine, just to name a few, but you'll have to look them up and take a look see. Then there's the Smithsonian Institution and other government organizations (here and over seas) where plans of older traditional craft can be found.

Finding a design is the most difficult task of the build process. You can spend much more time, just looking for the "right" boat then the actual build, but it's usually worth the effort, you'll get what you want. Good Luck.

[Raggi_Thor]

Glwanabe! (do you have a name :-)

If you like the Haven 12 1/2 I think you should contact Joel White and se if you can purchase the drawings. Could molded with 3 or 4mm plywood you don't need any frames (I think).

[glwanabe]

Yes, I have been looking around the net, and have found several different boats that may work. Style and function are two important considerations. The Herreshoff boats have a beautiful line to their design. From Glen-l I have found these two designs that I like.

http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/gl14.html

http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/gl15.html

From John Welsford I like this: http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/navigator/index.htm

I'am trying to stay at about 4000.00 USD total to put a boat in the water. I know that really limits my options. As a pilot, I understand the issue of trying to find the right design, and that there are always compromises. No one design can do everything. The "Weekender" plans from the Stevensons,will work for me. I could simply build it cabinless and go. I would just like to explore all possabilities before I start cutting wood.

Raggi, yes I have a real name. I post on several music forums and did not want to use my real name there. I play electric bass as another hobby of mine. Sooo. Glwanabe=Geddy Lee wanabe. In case you unfamilier with him.

http://www.metalworksstudios.com/News/Geddy%20Lee.htm

I chose that name several years ago. I actually have a very broad range of musical and other interest. I grew up on Puget Sound in Washinton State, I miss it a lot. I like to fly aircraft, and work for an airline, but not as a pilot, as a flight ops controller. It is the airlines version of NASA's mission control. I also love to cook, and play "Iron Chef" with my wife and kids.

Back to boats. The "Bullseye" that was mentioned looks very nice. Maybe in the future I could find one. I really won't be ready to spend serious money for a little while yet, I'am still in the research phase putting ideas on, and taking them off the table. Thanks all.

[Brasstom]

For free plans, though aged, check these sites out:

http://www.svensons.com/boat/
http://hometown.aol.com/polysail/HTML/oldboats.htm

They're free and absolutely great and of boats of all class. The Coot (http://home.insightbb.com/~polysail1/images/coot.htm) here is a particular favorite of mine, but probably a bit too big for what you seem to be looking for

Enjoy!

-Tom

[SeaDrive]

Which features of the 12 1/2 are you trying to duplicate? These boats are very docile in strong wind and rough seas, at least as compared to most modern sailboats, due to the heavy ballast keel and great reserve stability. The action of a light boat like Nancy's China would be very different. Better for some conditions, worse for others.

I'm a big fan of John Welsford's boats. You might also look at the Charles Wittholz's Corvus design.

[Raggi_Thor]

If you want a lighter boat, I wotw for the Navigator. It's really good looking and probably fast and well behaved, much better than the more flat bottomed boats.

[chandler]

Raggi,
Joel White died several years ago. SeaDrive ,The Haven 12 1/2 is a centerboard version of the Herreshoff.

[mackid068]

The 12 1/2 is a nice boat! Nice and safe, BIG keel! I love it!

[Raggi_Thor]

Chandler, sorry, I didn't know that.
I think I read about the Haven 12 1/2 in Woodenboat magazine a few years ago, now I see that it was probably 10 years ago (?).

Anyway, the Haven 12 1/2 looks great and the centerboard makes it more practical for many owners.

[glwanabe]

Par,


I found an old thread of yours where you have posted some mod ideas. I cannot view them. Would you or do you still have the slides and could I see them.

Thread here:http://byyb.org/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1666&highlight=gaff+rig+dimensions

Thanks glwanabe