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New Boatcompany located in Sweden dedicted to build the most beautiful retro styled Runabouts & Commuters looking for young and old talentful designers and naval architects world wide for development of new concepts.

www.strand-craft.com
info@strand-craft.com

[D'ARTOIS]

Why not one or two gasturbines in that "Super-extravaganza" Miss Sweden - the name is very well chosen!
Seatek is a diesel with a good weight/power ratio, but low TPO, Lambo: very costly to maintain - I had two Lambo's myself.
A very, very beautiful design - needs according propulsion. Trimax = good idea.

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Thanks for your nice compliments.
We now the problems with Lambo engines and after advise from the legend Mr. Fabio Buzzi we will use 2 x CAT C12 Diesel.
This engines run 2000 hours without problems compared to max 50 hours with supercharged V8s or the superexotic Lambo engines.
Turbines could maybe be an extrem option. :rolleyes:

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I am going to tease you a bit further: offer the boat in electrolitically polished Titanium - a TiVaMo alloy - that gives as result a super technolook (rivetted hull) combined with the sleek lines of the boat and a super-strength and corrosion-resistant lightweight hull. There are yards who can build it. Together with an interior of some prominent designer you might have a creature of which the riches of the world are standing in a row for......mouthwatering....

Is that a tease or not?.........

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Sounds like a wild idea that will suit this wild design perfect!!!
Please give ideas about boatyards to build her.
Offcorse there be an designer interior by PRADA in alligator leather :cool:

Nothing tease us here in Sweden.....maybe "stripteases" ;)

[D'ARTOIS]

Electrolitical polished Titanium looks like polished silver, but some alterations in the proceedings can influence the colour from a deep gold to steelblue and a number of colours in between.

I have in the late '90's on behalf of an US citizen designed a 63 mtr motoryacht powered by a triple SDS (surface drive propellor system) 45.000 hp were needed to power it up to 40+ knots.

The buildingmaterial? Titanium. Through the downfall of the Iron curtain, immense stocklots with lots of technology were sold by the Russians.

A Russian professor in metallurgy showed me the way into he mysteries of this
relative uncommon material and I went to some shipyards where parts of different alloys were used for the submarine division.

This means that I have the know how to create any ship from Titanium, provided the right alloy is available and the forming presses with enough strength to roll and fom the sheets, plus some other items - but that remains
a secret.

I will mail you through the day with some technical info related to the forming process - the main difficulty in the building process.

[CDBarry]

Hybrid hydrofoils

[FAST FRED]

Look up Feathercraft in Google ,

They built great aluminum run abouts in the 50's and 60's.

Would be really easy to copy in Titanium

FAST FRED

[brian eiland]

The building material? Titanium. Through the downfall of the Iron curtain, immense stocklots with lots of technology were sold by the Russians.

A Russian professor in metallurgy showed me the way into he mysteries of this
relative uncommon material and I went to some shipyards where parts of different alloys were used for the submarine division.

This means that I have the know how to create any ship from Titanium, provided the right alloy is available and the forming presses with enough strength to roll and form the sheets, plus some other items - but that remains
a secret.

I will mail you through the day with some technical info related to the forming process - the main difficulty in the building process.

Was there ever any 'explosive forming' utilized? Or is that a possibility with plastic explosives and a hull form built into a pit, sort of sand casting style.

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Was there ever any 'explosive forming' utilized? Or is that a possibility with plastic explosives and a hull form built into a pit, sort of sand casting style.

Well, first of all must the design itself be a "bomb" for make it possible. :D

[brian eiland]

Well, first of all must the design itself be a "bomb" for make it possible. :D

That was funny. I got a very good laugh this morning. :D

Actually I have heard of a number of 'explosive forming' technics with metals. I just don't know any details of the subject.

[yipster]

i gave it a shot beeing asked by artois to do some 3d drawings based on SC1 miss sweden profile drawing.
do ya guys think it is "bomb" enough? :confused:

[yipster]

100 knots, turbo's on zf or arneson (http://www.arneson-industries.com/Turbine%20Applications.htm) drives, arrow system (http://www.ranchidesign.ch/) under the side planks and lots of other goody's.
not satisfied with that "bomb" stern shape yet, what do you say?

[artemis]

100 knots, turbo's on zf or arneson drives, arrow system (http://www.ranchidesign.ch/) under the side planks and lots of other goody's.
not satisfied with that "bomb" stern shape yet, what do you say?
Yeah yipster! This should make Sean "gush like a little schoolgirl". :D

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100 knots, turbo's on zf or arneson drives, arrow system (http://www.ranchidesign.ch/) under the side planks and lots of other goody's.
not satisfied with that "bomb" stern shape yet, what do you say?

Nice try yipster :cool:

Very close to original design of this "Rocket" I made with this half hull model o back in -97.
Your canopy designs will even make impression to Agent 007 ;) and with 2 x 1600Hp turbines she will be pretty fast too :eek:

Yes, its time to see her floating out of the drawing board now :D

[RANCHI OTTO]

SEA SNAKE ASD

Hull > ASD (Arrow System Design)
Length > 16.0 m
Power > 2 x 1150 hp by MTU
Propulsion > Arneson

Speed > + 50 knots
Range > 250 n.m. at full speed

RANCHI Otto

[yipster]

i like that aft side window :D

OTTO,
one might say your sea snake isnt retro twenty's thirty's or fifty's but you do great work and thanks for steppin in here.

[RANCHI OTTO]

Now it is more complete....

RANCHI Otto

[yipster]

One guy has his bed against the engine firewall but otherwise you have space enough for a gangway to the stern also in your arrow design lay-out. Or a technician could place a big chair in there to work from :D thats 16 meter looking good!
I looked at russian isotop 1800 turbines in the drawing i made, whats your opinion on turbines in boats and ASD under the sideplanks i drew?




Actually I have heard of a number of 'explosive forming' technics with metals. I just don't know any details of the subject.
Here is some interesting info i dug up on the subject and find back now on my pc:
http://www.miller-company.com/explode.html
http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/explosive-forming/explosive-forming.html
http://www.nd.edu/~manufact/ch16/sld001.htm
http://www.pcth.com/capabilities/material_forming.htm
http://www.fsb.hr/deformiranje/Explosive%20Forming%20of%20Metal.htm

[Tim B]

I'm with yipster on this one, to say it's 16 meters (52 feet long) there's a lot of space that is just air, go on, squeeze the engine room! and give us a bigger saloon. You might want to shuffle the galley a bit too. the hob is too far back. Try a U or L shape.

Tim B.

[RANCHI OTTO]

I have designed this boat according to the customer's requirements.
He didn't sleep never on board because he prefers to sleep in luxury hotels with all facilities. The boat was designed for 2 person and he used the bedroom only with the engines out of service. The bulkhead btw engines room and bedroon has insulations against noise and heat and the structure (aluminum) have been designed in order to prevent vibrations in this area. The engine room was designed to permit to the owner to walk around the engines because his opinion was that so doing the maintenance would be more easily done.
Why not ?
Concerning ASD and turbine I think that it would be fantastic to realize such sea javelin. The advantages of ASD hull are specified in my web site and I don't see never against this modification of the original design. I don't know how long is your craft and how are the shape in the after part. The turbine needs a lot of ventilation. For low speeds you install normally a low power diesel engine. You need 2 separate tanks for turbine and diesel engine fuel. The turbine produce a lot of heat but all is possible.... Why not?

RANCHI Otto

[RANCHI OTTO]

Instead russian turbine try TURBOMECA France.
Their model named MAKILA has a weight of 440 kg (basic) and a power of 1200 kW.

RANCHI Otto

[yipster]

yes that are rolls royce based jewels and turbomeca is involved with snecma. type makila has options too. russian turbines may be better priced though and i read some run on diesel also. boatsize I drew is about 15*3.5*2.5 here some pics of callan marine’s (http://www.callanmarine.com/flash/flashmain_content.html) record boat engine’s and diesel (http://www.marineperformance.com/photo_gallery_C55/pages/13_C55_turbines.htm) driving a third prop. i imagine a genset could be located elsewhere turning the turbine starters or transmission for slow speed. water augmentation info i still wait for, more questions and fantasy's follow :D

[RANCHI OTTO]

I've seen the web of callan marine and their model equipped with turbines has in the middle 1 diesel engine.in the pic of the transom you can see the third prop. The static trim in water.......

RANCHI Otto

[yipster]

about "the design must be a bomb" you win 1e price! now i see your countour of the top lay-out above that looks like a granade shell :p
at the marina today i noticed ASD like extensions on allmost all waterscooters, under or aside the hull, under the steps etc.
it must be a very good idea :cool:
for trolling that callan racer a third prop is ok i guess, here's callans cad drawing of it

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Slide back targaroof into Goldwing engine hatches. :eek:

[RANCHI OTTO]

First impression is that the side annexes are covered only the exhaust tubes and are out of water when the boat is running. They give not additional lift in the after part near the l.c.g. and they don't shift the l.c.b. aft.

RANCHI Otto

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First impression is that the side annexes are covered only the exhaust tubes and are out of water when the boat is running. They give not additional lift in the after part near the l.c.g. and they don't shift the l.c.b. aft.

RANCHI Otto

Yes your absolutly right about this RANCHI OTTO
Side annexes are integrated to bottom design but gives no extra additional lift,(but your system could very well be integrated in this design)
my idea was more to give an optical effect for giving hull/deck a sleaker style and a impression of "Bugatti outsiders for exhaust" on lower hullsides. :cool:

[RANCHI OTTO]

The design is very nice, I like it.
Perhaps a problem would be the inclination of the exhaust, what about side water intake by strong wind...
Not bad perhaps 2 wing shaped exhausts on side deck.

RANCHI Otto

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The design is very nice, I like it.
Perhaps a problem would be the inclination of the exhaust, what about side water intake by strong wind...
Not bad perhaps 2 wing shaped exhausts on side deck.

RANCHI Otto

Strong wind? I think there be strong wind out of these exhaust tubes too :D

:!: With 2 x 1600 Hp jet turbines...

Exhaust tubes from turbines go forward under cockpit and turns back out in lower expanded hull sides :?:

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The design is very nice, I like it.
Perhaps a problem would be the inclination of the exhaust, what about side water intake by strong wind...
Not bad perhaps 2 wing shaped exhausts on side deck.

RANCHI Otto

This Air Induct design be used on Class 1 racers that runs 300Km/h.... :eek:
Ok, Wings could even be nice :cool:

[RANCHI OTTO]

In the offshore the air intake are ok... no discussion.
The dimensions of these air intake are for lamborghini engines, I think that for gas-turbine they must have more intake surface...
I was meaning about the gas exhaust curved outside and placed in low position.
The offshore has their gas exhaust in transom, well protected.

RANCHI Otto

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In the offshore the air intake are ok... no discussion.
The dimensions of these air intake are for lamborghini engines, I think that for gas-turbine they must have more intake surface...
I was meaning about the gas exhaust curved outside and placed in low position.
The offshore has their gas exhaust in transom, well protected.

RANCHI Otto

Its all about "Extravaganza" design :cool:

You do not buy a Ferrari for its practical advantages....

[RANCHI OTTO]

For this reason I buy PORSCHE.....never a ferrari !

RANCHI Otto

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For this reason I buy PORSCHE.....never a ferrari !

RANCHI Otto

Ok, I understand you
Or something like this... :D :D :D
by www.viztech.se

[RANCHI OTTO]

Nice, nice but.......

RANCHI Otto

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VERY nice autobahn missile...
Now we talking Turboz.....

www.turbinetecsystems.de

2200 HP - 285kg :idea:

[RANCHI OTTO]

Beautiful, only you have to added the gear box weight, double fuel (oil + avio) and a 3rd engine for the low speeds. :mad:

In any way it is my opinion that even with 2 x turbine + 1 central engine you have the best ratio btw. weight and power concerning the propulsion plant. :)

To reach 100 knots with 2 x 2200 bhp and piercing propellers you will need 15 t abt. displacement.... :?:

Exciting project. :p

RANCHI Otto

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What about a leight weight 250 bhp 6-cyl Steyr turbo diesel coupled via axel to a water jet as 3trd. and a bowtruster for easy manouverability in harbours?

100 knots+ , fast but not impossible :rolleyes:

[RANCHI OTTO]

Diesel engine of 250 bhp is ok for low range speed up to 15 knots.
The maker is only question of weight, spare parts and price.

Waterjet + gas turbine is a good choiche.
With a waterjet you will have a very good manoeuvrability in harbor.

Look the exhaust size for 1 gas turbine engine...
It is placed straight in high position because the high temperature of the gas... very dangerous if you place 2 exhaust at side.

The speed of 100 knots is not a dream but a question of weight.

I've employed my "rule of thumb" for estimate speed based on several results from sea tests for boats over 40 knots, i.e. :

Vk = (KR - 11.4) * 3.9697 + 30

KR = (BHP^0.551/Displ.^0.476)

where:
Vk > speed in knots
BHP > metric brake horspower
Displ. > displacement in metric ton

RANCHI Otto

[D'ARTOIS]

Waterjet propulsion in the case of MS will not function at high speeds; the waterinlet will be too far forward and therefore will run dry at high speeds;

The exhaustpipes of the gasturbines can be placed horizontally aft; they are of the watercooled kind and therefore will cause no heating problems - second to that the proposed building material of MS will not transfer heat as any other material will do and will be resistant against extreme high temperatures;

To reach a top speed of 100 knots plus is not a matter of mathematical calculation but of a reinement of the hull and a suppression of weight.

Where are the 15 t overall weight coming from?

Can you give me specific examples of weight of drive train, engines/reduction boxes, interior and hull? Save for the tankage?

[RANCHI OTTO]

The waterjet is installed only for the low speed and manoeuvring in harbor not for added power of the propulsion plant. :mad:

Perhaps you know how much is the expulsion speed of the gas and the temperature ? :?:
Are you sure that it is possible and reccomanded to have wet exhaust ? :confused:

!00 knots is the relationship btw power and displacement for normal hulls.
If in the formula you have less displacement the speed is increasing, is not the same as what you say...? :p

15 tons is the estimated displacement to reach with the power indicated the 100 knots. :p

I see such craft built in aluminum... :cool:

Last points, I'm sorry but I don't understand the questions... :confused: :confused:

RANCHI Otto

[D'ARTOIS]

I appreciate your kind approach of this matter, however I have a very close relationship with high speed craft and therefore I might be a bit more at ease in this particular matter.

The two gasturbines can give about 1750 hp each; the drive train's weight will be approx 900 kgs in total including the trimax; Hull weight will be approx 2500 kgs or less; interior will be 800 kgs or less - the tankage can be designed at will - speeds of 100 knots will cause not a singular problem.

I received from John Arruda two pictures of such a drive train.

You will see that this is a state of the art kind of engineering and the results of this company are widely recognised.
www.turbinemarine.com

[RANCHI OTTO]

Thank you for the web...very interesting!
Why Trimax...? Rudder at 100 knots? Not possibility to trim while running....
Better Arneson, ZF or SDS....
If you visite my web I'm very closed to high speed craft too ..until yet up to 86 knots. Not enough, I hope to reach the 100 knots in short time.

RANCHI Otto

[D'ARTOIS]

Yes, personally I would opt too for those applications. Probably you are familiar with Paul Bezzi's SDS - I worked closely with his comapny in 1995/6 when I was designing a 63 mtr motoryacht with a triple SDS drivetrain - later on this configuration had been used on "Golden Eye" and unfortunately the naval architect of that particular boat errored gravely in the weight calculation so this drive failed to reach it's supposed target.

The main disadvantage of such a configuration is the very poor manoeuvrability at low speeds. For the rest: there is almost no better propulsion thinkable.
A side problem is the difficulty of trimming during driving the boat at it's top speed. Driving an SDS means that you start with lowering the shafts and gradually bring them up till the engines reach their max rpm.
At speeds lower, much lower than 80 mph it is quite possible, but not for the every day's amateur.
At higher speeds, you have to be a proficient driver, almost equalling a F1 driver so, the complex system might be a bit too much for the everyday's boater.
But technically spoken, yes I agree, an SDS or ZF system would be much preferrable.

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All existing steerable surface drives that could handle 1700HP+ will be too big and heavy for the lightweight construction of this boat.

Trimax drives that be produced by ZF have the least friction and also a trimable version is also available. :idea:

There is no doubt that this system is the best for hi-speed and there is no accidential occurrence that this system is the most winning in all offshore racing classes.

[RANCHI OTTO]

I have read in the web site of turbinemarine that they are the only to use wet exhaust system instead the dry one. Perhaps the wet system is only a gadget ? :?:

With a waterjet unit there are no manoeuvrability problems at low speeds.

The Trimax is trimmable but out of water, you can choose btw. 2/3 fixed position.

The reliability of this propulsion system is that you don't have hydraulic pistons. It is very light and hardy, well designed indeed but for low/intermediate speeds it would be much better an Arneson drive.(only my opinion) but it depends what is the target of this boat... only speed or something else.

Buzzi has won all the possible for many reasons :
the qualities of the man, the weight of the boat, the Seatek engines...and the propulsion system....
I have installed both Trimax and Arneson in my designs, and if the target is not only the speed I prefer the Arneson even with more weight.

With ASD hull the increasing in weight in the after part is well supported by the additional static water volume and dynamic wetted surface. :D

Rolla prop's ?

RANCHI Otto :p

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Idea is to make a outstanding powerboat with very high performance. :cool:

Wet exhaust are for cooling tubes in engine room & noice reduction.

I do not think its just for protecting small seabirds being roasted. :D

Trimax trimable from cockpit:

www.zf-marine.com/ZFR/Surface_Drives/index.cfm?PID=ABC

[RANCHI OTTO]

The sketch in the web is the old model perhaps... the permissible trim angle must be very reduced... :cool:

Wet exhaust to reduce noise, why ? noise of turbine is very nice and I am astonished that they are the only one proposing this system. :eek:

RANCHI Otto :p

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ARNESON DRIVE IS AMAZING but maybe with few black stripes and a more futuristic windsheled"3d drawing"would look nicer, cause i think it looks like a corvette

[yipster]

Artois: "the drive train's weight will be approx 900 kgs in total including the trimax". from arneson industries i had for 1800 hp 60,000 rpm: "Gearbox should weigh around 150 kg depending upon who makes the reduction box"

[RANCHI OTTO]

(Artois)

2500 kg or less.... for hull + deck + superstructure + reinforcements...
It seams to be a little bit optimistic. :?: (I think for aluminum)
This design, if I've right understood, isn't a racing boat but a x-fast pleasure craft, this means that you can accept deformations even small in your own race boat if you are winner but if you are private client you require a perfect hull surface hull even at 100 knots...after have paid an expensive check :(

RANCHI Otto

[D'ARTOIS]

It has never said that the material for the hull would be aluminium. The drivetrain as I call it is gearbox, propellorshaft, propellor, rudder etc. The 900 kgs counts for the two shafts, rudders and gearboxes - the engines are about 250 kgs each.

There will be no deformations of the hull surafaces whatsoever at even speeds far above 100 knots.

In fact, with the two 1750 Hp Lycomings, Miss Sweden could top 125 knots provided that the weight can kept in certain limits. The exhausts are watercooled and come straight aft at a horizontal line. The only question will be what volume the tankage would require. And that is for the future client to say.
Fuel consumption is approx 750 p/hr per engine at full rpm.

[RANCHI OTTO]

I'm sorry but it isn't very clear for me the various parts in this project... :?: .
SC is the shipyard ? : :D
I'm a nuisance ... : :mad:
You... how are you involved in this project ? :confused:

RANCHI Otto :p

[D'ARTOIS]

Well, to answer your question, it's another story. The owner of the Miss Sweden Project is Kurt Strand. It is his idea and his design, however the technical issue, gasturbines and a special metal hull is actually descending from my part.

I am involved in some new projects and therefore I had to concentrate on other things - leaving this business unfinished.
Our company does represent a manufacturer of Navy - type of gasturbines, among all, and the gasturbine-topic does therefore interest me.

Being very limited in practical use, the gasturbine finds its way mostly in Navy or related Governmental vessels. And of course in the ultimate top performers.

I think you should compare Miss Sweden to a Bugatti Veyron or a McLaren F1, or the Pagani Zonda. For me, I would pick the Bugatti Veyron which is now in its latest state of pre-production.

Yipster came with the idea of the retractable canopy so some people were working on this idea without having a fixed marketing subject in hand.

That's all.

[RANCHI OTTO]

Thank you very much for your explanations, now the situation is clear... ;)

RANCHI Otto :p

[yipster]

T700 GE jet at e-bay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4555930836&category=26437) for $250,000.00 not a bargain when i read elsewhere: "If you want a good engine I can sell you an entire Harrier Jump Jet c/w 21180 lb Rolls-Royce Pegasus Mk.105 (minus avionics & canopy) for $60,000." and here (http://www.burningmadness.nl/nl/profiel/tractor/techniek.htm) E 15,000 isotov's

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Real engines that will sound like "heaven" in our future Miss Mahogany :cool: :cool: :cool:
12L V12 750Hp 550 Kg
www.bpm-france.com/v12-620SH.html

[yipster]

double bpm, seatek or lambo's wont leave space for the canopy to drop back

did you see this retro beauty blared posted in his gallery?
http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/500/1007158_12_b.jpg

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double bpm, seatek or lambo's wont leave space for the canopy to drop back

did you see this retro beauty blared posted in his gallery?
http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/500/1007158_12_b.jpg

Ok, there be no space for the combitop
but when you start the missy monster you do not want
anything that hide you from the amazing sounds from
these engines :idea:

Cool boat , here is it finished :D

[yipster]

http://www.cougar.nl/images/a-work%20in%20progress/foto%20am%20silo%20gr.jpg
just saw this boat in one of the rainy amsterdam canals, forgot right now what the good name for such a stern is, more at http://www.cougar.nl

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The beauty is back from the future....sexier and faster than ever!
55ft 2x2300Hp gastubines, surfs, retractable LCD glass top,
carbonhull with mahogany.....:eek:

[RANCHI OTTO]

which estimated speed ?

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which estimated speed ?
160mph+

[RANCHI OTTO]

Congratulations, exciting project !

[Wellydeckhand]

Is that Legal?

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Is that Legal?

:D The speed or what?

[RANCHI OTTO]

To do such questions....

[yipster]

Is that Legal?
its a true sea javelin :D
more pics?

[FAST FRED]

Does anyone have an Idea weather this boat could be scaled down to fit in a Sealand cargo box?

Would be a fantastic traveling summer cottage / inshore cruiser.

With no effort (only cash) could be in the next location, almost at wish.

FAST FRED

[Wellydeckhand]

How can u see the speed meter if the thing is travelling at 160mph..... blurr vision. I did once 160 Km/h on a bike and I cant see the meter.:)

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How can u see the speed meter if the thing is travelling at 160mph..... blurr vision. I did once 160 Km/h on a bike and I cant see the meter.:)

watching the speedmeter is not the most important thing to do when going
160Mpa and just because of a high topspeed it doesnt mean you always have to ride this speed.
Its a pure speed machine on water, nothing more nothing less
The top speed is no problem at calm water.
see www.turbinemarine.com/video_OL.html and
www.outerlimitspowerboats.com/pdf/Fastest0204.pdf

[yipster]

hmmm... think i would prefer a little more beam and cabin, little less topspeed with smaller gasturbines (with carpet in between :D ) radar and and and....
but whats a retractable LCD glass top :cool: any links?

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hmmm... think i would prefer a little more beam and cabin, little less topspeed with smaller gasturbines (with carpet in between :D ) radar and and and....
but whats a retractable LCD glass top :cool: any links?

Joop, are you afraid of speed or do you need such a roomy saloon:D :?:
Just kidding, I love your combitop design and with so much glass it could be
hot like a cheese box in the cockpit. Liquide crystals in glass to stop sunrays is not a new innovation but I never seen it in a boat. With combat flight headup display in windshield you even could see when you go trough the sound barrier,
Retractable system is a further development of the Porsche Targa system.

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

Real engines that will sound like "heaven" in our future Miss Mahogany :cool: :cool: :cool:
12L V12 750Hp 550 Kg
www.bpm-france.com/v12-620SH.html

diesel always better:
CRM motori W18 cyl http://www.crmmotori.biz/w18.htm

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diesel always better:
CRM motori W18 cyl http://www.crmmotori.biz/w18.htm

I do not see the advances with heavy diesels in this design.:?:

v18 diesel:
2400kg - 1650Hp

vs gasturbine:
285kg(+trans) - 2200Hp

Fuel consumtion about 230g/Hp at full speed are about the same for both.
Total weight be around 6-7 tons with turbines (+ extra 3,5 tons with diesels)
Boat dimensions are 2,80m X 16,75m

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

We are talking about a future pleasure boat with a production in mind, even in a small number, or we are talking about a single dreaming piece, to be post in a museum after just a sea trial for magazine (see Wally 118 ft)?
Anyway interesting diesel, no?
Actually this engine it is too incredible that need a boat to be designed around it; isn't an engine to be choose just because suitable to fit in an existing design.

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We are talking about a future pleasure boat with a production in mind, even in a small number, or we are talking about a single dreaming piece, to be post in a museum after just a sea trial for magazine (see Wally 118 ft)?
Anyway interesting diesel, no?
Actually this engine it is too incredible that need a boat to be designed around it; isn't an engine to be choose just because suitable to fit in an existing design.

1. Yes,for sure it be a very limited production...museums? Why not?
2. The CRM engine is a piece of art and it have to be a great design around it...nothing is impossible!
Anyone interested? We make it...

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

I prefere boats that run ... in water.

[RANCHI OTTO]

You right SC1...go on...with this project!

No diesel engine can compete agains gas turbine obviously.
This is not a common design but you must see it as a. "object of marine art".

I love it!

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

"marine exaggeration" isn't always a "marine art".

[yipster]

that may be so but what is IT that makes us fall for maritime torture anyway while we can drive and fly?

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

???...it is a torture for You ?!?

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that may be so but what is IT that makes us fall for maritime torture anyway while we can drive and fly?

IT could be the taste of salty water in combination with feeling the wind blowin in your hair;)

[yipster]

exactly and the best comes expensive
pain and joy illustrated (http://www.3ds.com/fileadmin/Gallery/CatiaToVirtools2_Video/index.html) altho virtool did have a free download torturing me rite now :cool:

[RANCHI OTTO]

Funny, thanks Yipster!

What is maritime art?

This boat is Art...bella...bella...beautiful

[yipster]

went to art academy but whats art? can we call this 3D car (http://www.3ds.com/3/conceptcar/) modern art?
now if somehow we can drive miss sweden to fire up i would say its maritme art :D

[RANCHI OTTO]

I mean that if this superboat will be constructed in the future...it will be a "maritime piece of Art", nothing to do with 3D imagine.

Anyway the Cisitalia car constructed in Italy in the 50' is permanenet exposed at the MoMa of New York because is a piece of Art...why not this superboat?

[yipster]

fully agree on that, was thinking she needs more drawings and why not a need for speed miss sweden but havent MS.nmo and MSII.vmo interactive running yet :mad:

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

I mean that if this superboat will be constructed in the future...it will be a "maritime piece of Art", nothing to do with 3D imagine.

Anyway the Cisitalia car constructed in Italy in the 50' is permanenet exposed at the MoMa of New York because is a piece of Art...why not this superboat?

Just my opinion: There are many reasons why a Cisitalia is on a museum, not just because was a beautiful car. One of these ("ONE OF THESE") reasons is that it made a turn on the story of the automotive design and production, and this isn't a little.

"Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" (Joyce Carol Oates).

[vishnubaiju]

Electrolitical polished Titanium
This means that I have the know how to create any ship from Titanium, ..........I will mail you through the day with some technical info related to the forming process - the main difficulty in the building process.

Please send me more info on Titanium material properties regarding strength and joining process

[RANCHI OTTO]

the only reason was his revolutionary design....nothing else..and this is Art.

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

was also a working car....not only a design!

[RANCHI OTTO]

Yes you are right...if this boat will be constructed than will be a piece of maritime Art, for the moment is only paperboat.
But which nice paperboat!

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

On this I do not discute. it is a nice proposition.

[RANCHI OTTO]

Here you have the Cisitalia, designed and constructed on 1948...!
For that time the design was really a revolution instead evolution...

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Here from an other view so you can get even more excited.;)
Maybe this little beauty make too hot feelings for someone.
Nostalgy & F1 technics in same product.
Offcorse it is a design studie yet, you can´t build the boat first and design it afterwards.:idea:

[yipster]

havent been playing all day need for speed with http://www.3ds.com/3/conceptcar/ state of the art 5K player but its fun :D

did get my rough miss sweden in Virtual Reality for free but now see VRML upload is not supported ( plus a VRML viewer (http://www.parallelgraphics.com/products/cortona/download/iexplore/)) is needed (site has some VRML samples)

anybody else ever played with real time 3D? it works but VRML or similar files are a pain to mail or get on a site, if it rains again tomorrow who knows...

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

This was supposed to be a revolutionary design...but unfortunately isn't considered as Maritime Art by many critics. Also did not win the Superyacht Society Design Award for which was nominated. This I know. Why? probably many small practical problems and not last an enormous fuel consumption and a very high priced? She is in China now, moored and forgot somewhere (was referred to me by a guy that worked on it).
I was supposing to be a real piece of Art when it was presented.

[RANCHI OTTO]

I prefer the Miss Sweden because it's an high speed boat with extreme power plant and very nice design.
The Wally is a floating minimalist object but with an innovative design, this is true.
To bring innovation in maritime field the architects must dare...

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

Anyway I found more exciting this design than a mere retro styled runabout, but this is a matter of taste, even also the Wally 118 (I think but I am not sure) was inspired in the design by the Mas 15 of W2.
By the way with its 2 gas turbine engines and two diesel it is capable of 70 knots, so it is arduous to define it just a floating object.

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Topview........;)

[yipster]

thanks for the pictures with other views Kurt, i wonder what you draw with
a very rough real time 3d view (http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/5394/limit/recent) of my drawing i posted in my gallery to check and works here best using the study button
install the 3d viewer (http://www.parallelgraphics.com/products/cortona/download/iexplore/) first in your browser though

ms virtools 3d file i made with 3d max but havent got their viewer working yet.....

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thanks for the pictures with other views Kurt, i wonder what you draw with
a very rough real time 3d view (http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/5394/limit/recent) of my drawing i posted in my gallery to check and works here best using the study button
install the 3d viewer (http://www.parallelgraphics.com/products/cortona/download/iexplore/) first in your browser though

ms virtools 3d file i made with 3d max but havent got their viewer working yet.....

She is modelled in Rhino then send in IGES format to Autoship for calculations
I could open yours and see it in WinZip, very cool!

[yipster]

so that experiments works, thanks checking Kurt!
now the rest :cool: :eek: :p :D :P

[RANCHI OTTO]

Define the Wally "floating object" is not in my mind pejorative.
If you have the unlimited power even a potatoe can planing.
I had a look on the other models of Wally Yacht and this one is for sure the most succeeded.

[antonfourie]

I think that the Wally 118, is one of the most beautiful boats ever, a boat to inspire a generation of designers.

[RANCHI OTTO]

I prefer to define "different" instead "one of the most beautiful boat".
Is not a common design, then is only a question of personal taste...

[Vega]

Anyway I found more exciting this design than a mere retro styled runabout, but this is a matter of taste,....

I like the boat but really hate the coffin on the top:D
Just kidding, but the shape has some ressamblance...and I really don't like the sharp bends, but as you have said, it is a question of taste.;)

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

I think that the Wally 118, is one of the most beautiful boats ever, a boat to inspire a generation of designers.

I agree.

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

Define the Wally "floating object" is not in my mind pejorative.
If you have the unlimited power even a potatoe can planing.
I had a look on the other models of Wally Yacht and this one is for sure the most succeeded.

Do You know how many Tender Wally 30 ft they built? a success is also on the production. Do not look only at Cisitalia, look at the old VW Bettle. Was also a revolutionary design. But built in 20 million pcs or more.

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

....and this man is an all round artist, at least because the boat it is built not a mere toy for playstation.
Luca Bassani on his creature Wally 118.

[RANCHI OTTO]

This will be the next Wally...55m length...speed 17 knots...
i will say according to my taste...it is not a very well succeeded design...

[Vega]

This will be the next Wally...55m length...speed 17 knots...
i will say according to my taste...it is not a very well succeeded design...
It is the top deck. If you take that one out, the design is still unconventional, but it will be balanced.

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

I agree, this maybe it is not well conceived. Looks too constrained to follow the 118 lines as the 88.

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

Wally inspiration!?!.

[RANCHI OTTO]

they have copied from Wally..!!!!!

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

ah,ah...!

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I think there coming some inspirations from navy Fregats and from Stealth design.

http://hrms-jaguar-f822.com/images/Just%20pictures/Animation6.gif

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

on cabin/deck for sure.

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on cabin/deck for sure.

Mix these ones and you get....
a spectacular boat!!!

[Guest-3-21-09-10-33]

similar!!

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similar!!

I preffer the teak deck version:D

[Vega]

Now I understand why all those sharp bends in the wally:idea: ...that has to do with avoiding pirates….. the boat has been designed in accordance with the most advanced stealth technologies.:P

[Wellydeckhand]

This may be a German speeding ticket:)

WDH

I am not promoting German stuff although my sis married with German guy.:)

[Adam Younger]

This was a prototype high efficency hull form we designed for Erbil Serter / Advanced boat construction - using the Serter warped hull form.

Built with cost very much in mind - but the next version on, had the styling developed much further and would have made a striking and very capable craft.

An interesting project!

[Vega]

I like this brand new design. For a 54ft is remarkably sleek ...and the interior is as good as the exterior:)

[yipster]

not a retro runabout but yeah deckhouse looks sharp.
no space for furler belowdeck?
pics of the interior?

[Vega]

I have better pictures of the interior, but I would have to scan them. Maybe tomorrow;)

[Stephen Ditmore]

SC1,

Have you checked out www.touchcad.com? Good Swedish software - and the developer is a boat designer himself!

Also check out www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Utilities/Ran.html and www.dynaplaneboat.com

Note also that Berkeley Jet and Legend Jet drives are reasonably priced if your boat is under 5000 pounds full load. If you want to go gasoline, check out Rotax engines. If you want to go diesel, why not stay with the Swedish theme and go Volvo Penta? They're first to market with pleasurecraft sized common rail diesels.

So what's the question again?

[yipster]

good article in Professional Boatbuilder number 101 on feasibility of a 100 knots yacht
good formula's and diagrams too, promise to scan some and post them later

[SeaSpark]

Article available on proboat digital for the comming months:

http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/200606/

[yipster]

:idea: thanks seaspark

[Vizione]

Little MS vs the real thing :cool:

[cudashark]

Yipster,

I would like to build you design.

What do you think?

Ray

[yipster]

:eek: seriously... geez, wow, yes, it is possible, better check first if i'm not still dreaming, where's my coffee

[cudashark]

Yes I am serious.

I'm currently building a replica Riva Aquarama redesigned to 33' w/dual 8.1 Volvo GXI's for a client here in South Florida.

I would like to build more original designs for sale to the ultra wealthy whom troll the waterways down here. I like what I see from you designs.

I feel Riva was a great design from a mix of Chris Craft barrel backs, the cockpit from say hacker and the unmistakible Riva front end.

Feel free to e-mail me at cudashark@adelphia.net to discuss this further.

Ray

[yipster]

mailed you and thanks for the compliment Ray :)

[lazeyjack]

That was funny. I got a very good laugh this morning. :D

Actually I have heard of a number of 'explosive forming' technics with metals. I just don't know any details of the subject.
the whole idea makes me want to , well er be sick\!! you cant form from explsives into ant controlled shape Take the u sections of a modern sailing boat, , they change so fast, that you have to make a pattern for every few cms of length, look at my gallery at the nose cone there, I formed that with tiny wheels, you can form anything!! with tiny wheels exerting big pressure, plate rolls will not look at high ten material. they simpy cant exert the pressure and the rolls actually bend, anyways there are no simple curves on any yacht except the transom
Another HEAVY EXOTIC metal fro Ru, Tungstan, for keels

[cudashark]

Yipster,

Missed you e-mail. Please go again: cudashark@adelphia.net

Ray

[yipster]

hm, no contact? mailed again with some small drawings and sended you a pm.
very nice retro wooden boats these hackers, early on they put the wheel fwd i see.
riva speaks for it self, even has canopy boats (http://www.rivaboats.com/visitors/index.php?page=modelli&lang=en&mod=vertigo) now, bit like miss sweden

jadresscher@chello.nl