Frank Mighetto Poll

[PAR]

Personally, I've read very little of the man's gibberish, and you folks, not him are the blame. You keep feeding the gator and are surprised when he likes to hang out while you are swimming. Clearly he is a fool, but equally clearly are the bone heads who prop up his posts with replies. Getting booted from AS is a mighty sure indication of the nonsense he wallows in. I've never read any post of his that made sense or suggested he had a clue. Why would anyone continue with a fool? Better yet how about a poll on keeping his status alive here as well?

[Dutch Peter]

PAR,

I have read many of his posts, also on the SA site. I completely agree with you that it is us, who keep him alive on the forum. Subsequently I vote Mighetto should NOT be banned, we do this to ourselves. Everybody should delete his replies and put him on the ignore list.

[MikeJohns]

I deleted my replies on the TP52 thread early. You can't reason with belief systems. His posts tend to screw up and hijack otherwise good discussions. The content in them is not worth following up. Sorry Mighetto but I vote you off.

[sorenfdk]

Personally, I've read very little of the man's gibberish, and you folks, not him are the blame. You keep feeding the gator and are surprised when he likes to hang out while you are swimming. Clearly he is a fool, but equally clearly are the bone heads who prop up his posts with replies. Getting booted from AS is a mighty sure indication of the nonsense he wallows in. I've never read any post of his that made sense or suggested he had a clue. Why would anyone continue with a fool? Better yet how about a poll on keeping his status alive here as well?
OK - so I'm a bonehead! I guess it takes one to know one!

[sorenfdk]

For your information:
There's still hope! Mighetto has just signed up as a member on the Bang the Corner forums! (http://www.bangthecorner.com).

[Skippy]

Possibly useful information may be found here:
http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?p=39100#post39100

[Wynand N]

Hi everyone, :)

Look what I found. A picture ot the one who can't be named :D

[mighetto]

Possibly useful information may be found here:
http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?p=39100#post39100

Skippy you are an all time great! I had to attend to a phone call from a well respected sailor this morning involving the recent invitations for forum participation. As a result of the conversation, I wish to remind all that while I am an officer of South Sound Sailing Society, I do not represent SSSS when I post. Long before becoming an SSSS Officer, I have posted in a similar manner. Again I represent MacGregor Yachts at the same level as a dealer - which is to say not at all. Again, while there are influencial former MacGregor Yacht owners organizing Toliva Shoal (three weeks to go), I am not one of them. SSSS is not the organizer of Toliva Shoal. The organizer is a separate joint venture consisting of individuals from SSSS and Olympia Yacht Club.

I will be starting a couple of threads on the SSSS board this week that have importance but nothing to do with Mac26x vessels or TP52s. This will be a test for those who wish me ill. Please stay off. Have your vote. Have fun, I will kick back a bit and be amazed.

Frank L. Mighetto
1999 Mac26x Murrelet
Olympia Washington

[Skippy]

Quote Spaghetto: Skippy you are an all time great!

Frank, you are the Great One. You post, we believe.

[frankofile]

Skippy you are an all time great! I had to attend to a phone call from a well respected sailor this morning involving the recent invitations for forum participation. As a result of the conversation, I wish to remind all that while I am an officer of South Sound Sailing Society, I do not represent SSSS when I post. Long before becoming an SSSS Officer, I have posted in a similar manner. Again I represent MacGregor Yachts at the same level as a dealer - which is to say not at all. Again, while there are influencial former MacGregor Yacht owners organizing Toliva Shoal (three weeks to go), I am not one of them. SSSS is not the organizer of Toliva Shoal. The organizer is a separate joint venture consisting of individuals from SSSS and Olympia Yacht Club.

I will be starting a couple of threads on the SSSS board this week that have importance but nothing to do with Mac26x vessels or TP52s. This will be a test for those who wish me ill. Please stay off. Have your vote. Have fun, I will kick back a bit and be amazed.

Frank L. Mighetto
1999 Mac26x Murrelet
Olympia Washington
Ha ha ha! Sounds like some one got quite the little lecture.

[dreamer]

Good point PAR. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that somehow his foolishness has been morbidly mesmerising.

I, for one, will delete my posts and put him on ignore.

[Skippy]

Quote dreamer: I, for one, will delete my posts and put him on ignore.

dreamer (& thanks for your comment on the other thread), I wanted to use one of Crank Boy's posts as evidence of Spaghetto's accusing people of terrorism. Unfortunately, the post was deleted, along with Spaghetto's response. CB's post was a harmless warning to Spaghetto about possible future actions that might be taken by some hypothetical third party. It was in fact the best example I've seen yet of Spaghetto's intimidation, so I was sorry to lose it. You can't delete your older posts on this site, and I'm still not sure it helps. Ignore works though. :)

[D'ARTOIS]

I am also to blame, I must confess, if he really did the TP52's club Forum,
www.bangthecorner.com it's me who is at fault. I wrote it in my post a day or so ago, just to tease him a bit. I cannot get angry on him, in spite of all his faultive idea's, so I vote under conditions. Have already done so.
If he really spoils a valuable discussion, his post should be deleted. That can be done by the moderator who is keeping "Watch".

[mighetto]

Skippy, there isn't a captain among us that doesn't want a Trophy Kid on our crews. But neither I nor the sailor giving me a lecture (and it was short) can figure the under 30s out. You all just can not get yourselves to think critically. You march to drummed in notions I assume your parents put into your heads. You are capable of ignoring every fact, legal, in print or otherwise defined even when it is rubbed in your noses. And every opinion that offends you sends you into revenge mode. I mean really, today I was threatened with dog piles on my boat. How childish.

Over lunch I participated in a BLOG discussion among Washington State employees and managers, which I joined in by happy accident. (well who knows about that - somehow it formed outside my office, perhaps not by accident. I later offered my office for continued dialog.) There is concern about BLOGs but not sailing BLOGS. It is the political BLOGS that government entities are hoping to keep out of the work place.

I cope with the situation we have in this state (involving the governorship) by sailing and sailing BLOGs. It keeps me sane. Rational enough to actually get work done. Which ether gets done or is there for me to do in the evening. And I put in a lot of those.

In the discussion, I asked if it might be useful to administer the Myers Briggs style personality test to under 30 year old sailors in my sailing club and crew BTW. Apparently this kind of thing has all ready been tried. No one can figure out the 20 to 30 year olds who live in the USA. The hope is that you will grow out of it and one day be able to think sound enough to judge those you interact with correctly and perhaps even captain your own boats. In anycase, I am obligated to continue trying and will do so, just as I will continue to defend the ride.

[DGreenwood]

I mean really, today I was threatened with dog piles on my boat. How childish.



I cope with the situation we have in this state (involving the governorship) by sailing and sailing BLOGs. It keeps me sane. Rational enough to actually get work done. Which ether gets done or is there for me to do in the evening. And I put in a lot of those.

In anycase, I am obligated to continue trying and will do so, just as I will continue to defend the ride.

Good God !... and he's a Drama Queen too!!

Frank nobody threatened you with any thing. It was suggested that you had probably suffered much dog piles in the past. Big difference douchbag.


I don't feel that this guy should be allowed to spew this crap. He has no interest in the reality and it is a danger to those naive enough to listen.

It will not be funny if he convinces some poor schmuck that he can go to sea in a Mac.

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[FranksaDork]

This is all veeeery familiar.

[Richard Petersen]

I have enough problems trying to state my thoughts. Let some other forum be blessed with his knowledge. He can talk more than most woman in a laundromat. I voted goobye.

[decay21450]

I read through tp52 and found nothing offensive or threatening that would justify a banning. Not knowing anything about the people or issues that were being debated, I found most interesting the reaction this guy was getting. Obviously, he is off-base to the mainstream, civilized sailing world, but in a verbose, somewhat articulate way. He poses no threat to anyone except maybe that one industry leader who has somehow managed to get Frank attached to his leg like a bulldog. I voted no.

[PAR]

Frank has hijacked treads and turned them into his soap box of uninformed ridiculousness. Someone interested in an answer has to wade through post after post of off topic junk, to find it, if the subject is ever gotten back to. He has, at times been insulting and degrading, misquoting fellow posters and distorting other posters intents, comments or thoughts. TP52 was his thread and it can't be used as an example, as most of us know what he is and would not venture there. Do a search of his other posts and see what he does to a thread started by someone else.

Judging by his rather conciliatory and retracting post here, it's clear he's gotten a spanking by someone. He went as far as to ward off folks interested in doing to him what he has done to others, by asking them not go to the new web site, he'll be expected to be posting on shortly. Maybe he's interested in some off topic foolishness on this other site and was offering a backhanded invitation to those wanting to joust with him there.

Then again, possibly he's seeing yet another forum debate his continued value as a contributor go away and rethinking his approach to is posts (we can hope) If other forums, some where the tone and acceptability of rank behavior is tolerated to a higher degree, find it necessary to terminate his posting options, it surly is a point for us to consider.

My own verbosity has gotten me into trouble countless times over the years, but I've never tried to be a mean spirit or disturb others to walk away from something they value. I had a great internal debate on beginning this thread, as a liberal, I strongly believe in a persons right to speak. I generally defend the right of the person, I've spent my whole life disagreeing with, to have a say, but sometimes things said, can be quite damaging and destructive, which is counterproductive in a format where production in one form or another is the whole point.

[Skippy]

decay21450: He poses no threat to anyone except maybe that one industry leader who has somehow managed to get Frank attached to his leg like a bulldog.

I would say the greatest threat is to any novices who might believe his more outrageous claims, and the targets of some of those claims (e.g. J. Teeters). And any more idealistic individuals maybe just starting out in the business, who might be discouraged by seeing a good serious website turned into a circus. On the other hand, you could make an argument that all the Ballerina Science forces at least some of us to think more carefully about things that we might just assume otherwise. And of course there's always the old Darwinistic theory that people deserve what they get. Maybe an even better rationale is preparing people to deal with some of their customers? :rolleyes: :)

[Thunderhead19]

I had grudges against people, but I avoid causing pain and suffering for myself and others by following the eightfold path of the Buddha. Frank should examine his actions with consideration to the four noble truths, and find inner peace and tranquility. Theres some folks here that are riled up too. They should think about why they're angry and upset, and if their reactions are approprate or merely learned response behaviour. Pavlov rang his bell and what happened?

[Mark 42]

http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/lsfuzzy.htm

[Wynand N]

We have a problem.

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14677

[boatgirl]

PAR, I agree with you just put him on the ignore list.
Miss Terri

[Mark 42]

Actually, McMullet has probably proven to be a good thing...
more people have been scared away from the Mac26
by the blathering ignorance of one particular self proclaimed
inexperienced expert in yacht design, semenship, rough weather
navigation and cutting edge maritime technology than all of the
advertising dollars of the legitimate yacht manufacturers combined
could possibly buy.

One paranoid delusional owner is all it really takes.
God forbid he finds another and they form a club!

Perhaps some other yacht manufacturer (tp52) is sending him out
(tp52) as a plant (tp52) to scare people away from (tp52) the superior
designed M26x because they fear (tp 52) that they can't sell their (tp52)
worthless POS ultraslow (tp52) boats in an unbiased competitive (tp52)
market.

Anyone have any idea who may have unleashed him upon the yachting
internet forums world to discredit MacGregor?

[stevel]

He has the web-forum equivalent of a hidden camera and he's trying to see who will fall for his pranks. I think the guy's a riot. I ignore his threads when I'm looking for boating enlightenment, and I read them when I'm looking for a chuckle.

[Mark 42]

I read them when I'm looking for a chuckle.Word.

[cyclops]

I can see him now. Mighetto explaining why they are losing the war. Slowly Hitler takes his pistol out, takes carefull aim, fires one bullet. Another suicide.

[Mark 42]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=scaramouche

[Thunderhead19]

I can see it now. The child's gase is fixed for a moment on the stoop shouldered man; a moment later he looks at his mother and loudly blurts out , "Mama, what's wrong with that man's face?"

Seriously Cyclops, what the hell are you talking about?

[mackid068]

You know, Frank seems ok. I'm new, but he really does seem ok. Don't mind him, he hasn't really done anything too bad (I think...).

[DGreenwood]

I see by your handle that you are Macboy...

[mackid068]

As in the computer (apple=Mac=Macintosh), yah...So i'm naiive...FRANK SEEMS OK. GEEZ.

[gonzo]

I read his posts, and they are full of ranting, incoherent claims. However, he is not the only one to blame. Other posters engage in political arguments that have nothing to do with the thread. I believe all those postings should be deleted to clean up the thread and keep it restricted to boating issues.

[longliner45]

Our soldiers are fighting and dying......every day, one of the reasons is for free speech . yes if someone listens, and takes a mac26 transocean ,it could be bad,but at least let the masses make up their own minds ,,,,,,,,,thier not as stupid as we think I say no censorship; not here not in china. let him rattal on , but no one can make me listen! longliner

[Wellydeckhand]

Our soldiers are fighting and dying......every day, one of the reasons is for free speech . yes if someone listens, and takes a mac26 transocean ,it could be bad,but at least let the masses make up their own minds ,,,,,,,,,thier not as stupid as we think I say no censorship; not here not in china. let him rattal on , but no one can make me listen! longliner

Now i am a believer of your yankee freedom of speech:D :D :D ......... U are ok.....:cool:

[Jeff]

Free speech is one thing and something to be proud of. Taking someone else's threads and the discussion wildly off topic is another thing entirely.

Currently moderation is done to keep threads on topic but not yet on our opinion of what is a valid boating-related idea and what is not; the debate in question has remained self-contained and thus I believe is easy to ignore for those who choose to steer clear.

[stevel]

It is pretty harmless since it isn't spilling accross the forum. I stepped away from the TP52 thread for a month or two, and then stepped back in for a few laughs yesterday. In the meantime, I wasn't bothered by it at all.

[Vega]

I read through tp52 and found nothing offensive or threatening that would justify a banning. Not knowing anything about the people or issues that were being debated, I found most interesting the reaction this guy was getting. Obviously, he is off-base to the mainstream, civilized sailing world, but in a verbose, somewhat articulate way. He poses no threat to anyone except maybe that one industry leader who has somehow managed to get Frank attached to his leg like a bulldog. I voted no.

I agree...and you express yourself better than me:)

What really puzzles me is that the Minguetto thread :p is the more popular thread of this forum and even If I had never posted there, it looks that for a lot of guys, posting there and replying to that guy has some therapeutic effect:p...I mean, like having some good punches on a boxing bag.:rolleyes: He is the jester of this forum and everybody knows that a jester is essential to the mental health of every court and every forum.

[chandler]

Why don't we tap his phone and find out if he's calling Iraq!!
Everyone knows how much alkida loves cheap sailboats.

[DGreenwood]

, posting there and replying to that guy has some therapeutic effect:p...I mean, like having some good punches on a boxing bag.:rolleyes: He is the jester of this forum and everybody knows that a jester is essential to the mental health of every court and every forum.
It all seem harmless...but you don't make the connection. The connection between Franks compilation of strung together nautical bullshit and the poor SOB that is convinced he is doing the adventurous thing and takes his family out on the water and accidentily drowns them.
I know, I know...there is a lot of bad advice out there in the boating world, but guys like Frank sound believable to the uninitiated...it brings their dream that there really is a world cruising boat within their reach. There is no doubt that he is a certifiable whacko, I think anybody that knows boats would see it, but he is a long way from harmless.

For all those that rail against licensing of all types and complain about the coasties being too restrictive, it is guys like Frank that are bringing these restrictions down on the last bastion of rogues and misfits. It is not the around the world solo sailor that freaks the coasties out. They just hate going out and picking up three kids a mom and dad out of the water...sometimes dead. That scenario is not occasional, it happens hundreds of times a year.

I often like to make a comparison between recreational aviation and yachting. They have a similar mystique and a history of being the playground for wild freedom seekers. They are both very expensive and dangerous playthings. They both require considerable skill to design and build a proper safe vehicle. They both require an understanding of what the vehicle was designed for and should be operated within that range. In the aircraft industy there are restrictions..tight ones. A guy who had only ever taxied up and down a dirt road is not likely to be in a position to convince some poor soul to fly to Hawaii in a Piper Cub. (I know the analogy is an insult to a really cool plane). Unless we want to see those same restrictions we have to make sure that it easy for the average joe to find out about and understand what he is getting into. The internet is a great place to start, hell, this site is a great place to start.


It is our job, as lovers of the pastime, to make sure the new guy knows enough to make an educated decision about what level of risk he is willing to take. This will assure us all the future right to play on the water how and when we want.And I want to keep that freedom.

Franks BS muddies the water. His con is effective on the newbie, (I would venture a guess that his website has a following.) Those first few hundred hours of operating any kind of vehicle are very dangerous with guys like Frank as their guide.
I have pulled those poor lifeless bodies out of the water...it sure doesn't seem like a bit of harmless fun then.
Turns out, the harmless jester is leading the Kings kids out to the woodshed.

A rather disjointed rant, I know, but I am tired and Frank really pisses me off.

[Wynand N]

My filing system for Mighetto's ramble.....

[Wellydeckhand]

Well alot of the people in the tread i see talk a lot of off the tread topic and It seem harmless....... :) kickin a55 and insulting other user is another...... but we are human after all imperfect and have our flaws.........:):):)

[bilgeboy]

Banning someone without consulting experts in the area can result in death.

It is a big mistake to assume you have the knowledge and experience to promote banishment without a long career in banishemt.

People die when banished by amatuers at banishment.

I will not sit idly while people perish because those inexperienced at banishment, without any formal training in the area, propose such irreversible measures.

That is my expert opinion.

I hope this fecetiousness is not lost.

Mike

[Vega]

...I know, I know...there is a lot of bad advice out there in the boating world, but guys like Frank sound believable to the uninitiated...it brings their dream that there really is a world cruising boat within their reach. There is no doubt that he is a certifiable whacko, I think anybody that knows boats would see it, but he is a long way from harmless.

...I would venture a guess that his website has a following.) Those first few hundred hours of operating any kind of vehicle are very dangerous with guys. like Frank as their guide.


Yes, I agree with you and that is why I think it is important that guys like him participate and exchange opinions in Forums like this one.;)

I explain: He is harmful in his own site and, as you have said, I believe that there he has followers, misled people. On the other hand, I think that nobody that has followed the TP52s thread has any doubt about the unrealistic concept that Minguetto has about the MacGregor boats; in fact I believe that everybody can see that this guy is obsessive, so obsessive that can be considered sick and that will be also evident to the people he has misled in is own forum, should they be lucky enough to take a look here or at sailing anarchy.

So, you can not prevent the harm that his own site can cause, but the fact that he can post here would lead not to more harm, but to show other people (eventually people that dont know much about boats) that he doesn't know what he is talking about.:p


...

Piper Cub. ...a really cool plane.


No doubt about that. I have learned to fly (at the age of 16) in one of those, a 1937 ex-USAF that had made it through World war II. Lots of flight hours, lots of good memories:cool:

[Vega]

My filing system for Mighetto's ramble.....

Why do you file the used papers? You are really a economical guy:rolleyes: :p

[DGreenwood]

bilgeboy
Normally I enjoy your sort of humor...but I fail to find anything funny about Franks BS. Don't get me wrong, I have a particular fondness for the crackpots and outcasts that I come across. Among them you often find the truly inventive and open minded.
I would not suggest banishment even though he has been booted out of other sites for slander and troublemaking, to the clear benifit of the quality of the forum. I don't have a clue how to deal with this sort of troublemaking. But he and his ilk are clearly not harmless. Neither is the yacht broker that misrepresents the capabilities of a boat that he sells. Neither is the drunk that runs into a jetty at high spead and kills all aboard.
They all have to be dealt with. I just don't want the various authorities to deal with it. That restricts our lives and fun.
As long as we are self policeing and provide a means for newcomers to find good quality info and a cogent course through the dangers of learning the game, then there is no reason for us to live under the restrictions that aviators must.
Frank cannot be allowed to represent himself as a guide to the uninitiated. He is an unstable, mouthy, trouble maker with a pentiant for stringing yachting terminology together to sound beleivable to a newbie. Telling the uninformed that a Mac26 would be OK to sail to Hawaii is tantamount to telling kids it is OK to drink bleach. I won't stand by and let him do it.

You might ask who am I to restrict him..well it's simple, I am the guy that actually appreciates the real adventurers and the freedom that allowed them to do their thing. Moitessier, Slocum, Schwab, MacArthur, and a long list of others all carried out crackpot notions...but they did their time learning the ropes. They asked a lot of questions, they suffered many setbacks and did a lot of miles before they jumped in.There are no rules to stop anyone from doing the same. As long as charlatans like Frank are kept at bay.

And by the way bilgeboy...you'd best leave humor to the pros!
I hope this facetiousness is not lost.

[DGreenwood]

So, you can not prevent the harm that his own site can cause, but the fact that he can post here would lead not to more harm, but to show other people (eventually people that dont know much about boats) that he doesn't know what he is talking about.:p

l:
Vega You are right...here he has mostly lost credibility...it is elsewhere that I worry about.
The internet is wonderful thing. It allows those that deserve to have a voice to have one...along with the undeserving.

[Figgy]

I'm might be new here, but anyone who likes/has a MacGregor is done for in my book.

[safewalrus]

Who?

as in who is this frank guy and if he's so bad why do you bother, Ignore and forget, he'll go away! he still has a right to mouth off as long as he stays in topic in the serious forums and does't do any nasty personal attacks that cause offence (racist, sexist, etc)! We all do personal attacks but most of these are taken in fun - if they aren't normal people stop! If he doesn't stop to reasonable request, Jeff alone has the right to ban him!

If the rest of you want to ban anyone go start your own forum and ban them from that! Me I like it here, there's some arseholes but see above!!

[Mark 42]

You're coming in a bit late, so here's a brief summary.

This being a design forum, isn't supposed to be a free-for-all.
Some of the ideas Mighetto has espoused are dangerous,
most are completely wrog from an aspect of basic physics,
and he doesn't learn even when proven wrong.

Start at this URL, and you might see what is going on here...

http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?p=39100#post39100