Tsunami: inter-island transportation & replacement boats

[Stephen Ditmore]

It's becoming clear that the recent Indian Ocean Tsunami has devastated Indonesia, Sri Lanka, & parts of other island and coastal areas. Boats will be required for transportation of relief supplies, and replacement boats will be required for those who depend on the sea for their livelihood.

Webmaster (Jeff): Let's set up a place to discuss how our on-line community can be involved in meeting this need, with clear re-directs to a master thread dedicated to this topic.

Here's one already begun: http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?p=35938#post35938

Thanks, & Happy New Year!

[Jeff]

Excellent idea - a new forum has been created.

[SailDesign]

Stephen, and Jeff,
Great idea.
I will watch (and participate) with interest.
Steve

[SailDesign]

Not to get political or anything, but... :)
This quote is from rec.boats.building, where a similar thread has emerged:

"The troops in iraq should be sent to help.. all of them.

hmmmm... should we try to help people who keep trying to blow us and thier
own people to bits?
Or should those resouces be sent where they will be wanted......?...
dont seem a difficult choice to me."

Seemed like a good idea - but PLEASE don't waste time arguing over it, it was just a passing thought.

Steve

[DGreenwood]

You guys have set me to thinking about this situation. The whole thing is really heartbreaking. The death tolls and horrific stories we are hearing now, are only the begining of these peoples problems. They have no way to feed themselves. Many of the places hit rely on fishing for sustainance and many many of them have not even been contacted yet...what about the Maldives?!!! My wife knows this area well and traveled much of it by boat. She says there are still huge populations that no one has any touch with yet. It's just gut wrenching.

Now I know that out there amongst us are piles of surplus and never going to be used drums of resin, cloth, fillers, tools, rope, fishing gear and parts.

I just don't have clue how to find it, acquire it, and ship it.

You see what I am driving at here? Is it nuts to think any of it could end up over there and be put to use? Do you think any of us could put together some gear that would get them out feeding themselves again?

The other insane thing I can't get out my head is the thousands and thousands of unwanted 15 to 30 foot fiberglass boats laying around this country. Boats that would be of value to folks there. But how do you get them some boats immediately? How do you get them on track now? They need it today.

I mean you got to think that disease and poor living facilities is already just making life miserable, but some places have lost their ferries, their bridges and their access to everyhting life sustaining. People here do not relaize how much water transport plays into everyday life in some of those place. Like in the Maldives, they will perish without it!

Any ideas?

I have to do something if I can...but what?

[Tad]

DG,

I appreciate your sentiment; it's just the way I was feeling yesterday morning. Then I started searching for some information on what to do and how to do it.

Fishermen are fishermen everywhere, they are eternal optimists but very conservative about boats and gear. They have no use for your cast off Bayliners, don't want em and would hate them. As indicated in Stephen's thread, they are using small outboards that burn kerosene, something not even available in North America.

If you start looking at NGO disaster relief sites you will find many stories of well meaning people shipping tons of unwanted stuff to various disasters, only to create further problems. The NGO's ask for cash; contribute to one you believe is doing the work you are concerned about.

Fishing fleets and marine transport needs to be rebuilt, but that will be a long term project, and it's best if that work is done in-country. One group with a long-term commitment to this is FAO (http://www.fao.org)

Another group with a stated interest in rebuilding fishing fleets is CARE (http://www.care.org). They have lots of offices and hundreds of people already working in the area. They have been working in Indonesia since 1967 and understand the culture and requirements. By all means apply to them with your offer of help or expertise, but also send cash.

Tad

[DGreenwood]

Tad
I just returned from breakfast and a long think about the subject and I know what you are saying is right.
I can't begin to assess and respond to their needs from here.


Just took this from the FOA site:
"The assessment missions currently under way will provide a better picture of the needs of hard-hit fishing communities, where the loss of boats and fishing gear mean loss of income and livelihoods, especially for poor fishing households who may not have adequate savings to replace their assets and who are unlikely to meet the immediate food needs of their families without assistance."

Howerver I was thinking about those people that live in the most remote areas. Those that do no live where there is enough infrastructure to make money worth anything to them. Who are not going to see relief goods, who do not have refrigeration and their sustainance is all "beach to belly".
I understand that their needs boatwise are peculiar to their area and personal choices and I had no thoughts on sending them any old Bayliners or trash. Hell I don't have any idea how to send them anything except money and good wishes.

I was just thinking of the miles of wasted product laying around here and lamenting the fact that it is here and not there along with some talent and some man hours of work.
I suppose that what is needed right now is airdropped food and water. But that can't sustain them for very long.

It might be that our Australian freinds might have a better handle on it and would be able to keep us informed if there were ways to help.

[CDBarry]

If someone wants to scan it and put it in Adobe, I have the NAVSEA ferrocement manuals developed in the 60's for Third World boatbuilding. Since they are US gov't pubs, they are copyright free. I don't have Adobe myself - leave me a mailing address.

Please also note Engineers Without Borders - an organization specifically developed to provide developmental engineering assistance to the Third World.

[Stephen Ditmore]

This web site has useful contact information for coordinating transportation of relief supplies free of charge to India: http://www.aidindia.org/CMS/index.p...id=39&Itemid=63

This is from today's New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/02/international/worldspecial4/02nations.html?oref=login for full text
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Mr. Egeland said the food and medical relief that was arriving in thousands of shipments was running into "logistical constraints" caused by overloaded airports and other bottlenecks. He gave a list of equipment needs drawn up in a telephone conference meeting on Friday with representatives of the United States-led core group of nations that also includes Australia, India and Japan.

Those needs included helicopters and ships able to carry them, air-traffic-control units, landing craft, trucks, cargo planes, base camps for the aid workers, fuel storage and water treatment units, generators and medical kits.

[dougfrolich]

Donations to UNICEF and the Red Cross are the most important things that can be done right now. I think the NAVSEA documents may be helpful too, you can get a 30 trial from the ADOBE web site that will allow you to create .pdf files from the scaned docs. I do not know what else to say, it is so unbelivable, and so sad.

[Jeff]

I'd also be happy to scan, ocr the text portions, and post as a PDF if you like.

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[Stephen Ditmore]

Concerning the relief operation, I'd like to state what I believe to be true at this point (relying on press accounts):

1. The greatest crisis appears to be in NW Sumatra & islands off that coast.

2. Many bridges and coastal highways are out, isolating communities from access by land.

3. A major bottleneck seems to be getting supplies and equipment from ship to shore. Landing Craft have been specifically requested.

From this I speculate:

4. Small craft (large enough to carry payload but small enough to be beachable) are in short supply and could make a big difference.

5. Consulting my atlas, Singapore would appear to be a logical staging area for a civillian maritime effort (provisioning stations could be set up along the route to the theater of operations).

I'd like very much to hear from Singapore, as well as from our Australian friends and others with knowledge of this part of the world.

Stephen

[CGN]

Fishing Boat Construction: 3. Building a Ferrocement Fishing Boat

http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/v9468e/v9468e00.htm

for reference

[Stephen Ditmore]

The finer points of navigating it are elluding me, but this apperars to be an excellent SE Asian clearinghouse of information:
http://tsunamihelp.blogspot.com/

[D'ARTOIS]

Stephen, I received your reply and proposal this morning and I think it is a very good idea to go along the guidelines you discussed with Rajan.

It is the best way to avoid that unproven and unqualified designs are used for that area and other practical reasons might emphasize this.

I have mailed Klaus already if he would be prepared to confirm if he would be able to help us in this venture ( I am sure he will) but I have to wait for his reply; he received my mail just before he left for Pukhet.

I would like to make a few general remarks: emphasizing the value you and we can do to give all the help those fishery-communities require.

Fact is that the well care organisations have hyped up media into a massive broadcast, convincing the people to empty their spare cash.
However, nobody seems to realise that those organisations involved are not capable to give any sufficient economical supply - and - they have no intentions to do so.
The massive volume of cash donations, will in Holland only, exceed US$ 100 mil (100.000.000,=) that will go to 8 (!) non-profit organisations: parltly left wing political, medical health care, Red Cross, Terre des Hommes, Unicef, Churchesinaction etc.
Before all those funds are properly distributed, we are - say - a year from now.
Nobody seems to realise that those massive cash funds are attributed to the general cash flow of the before mentioned organisations without any proper
guarantee that those funds will indeed be used to help the ravaged Asian terriotories, in particular West-Sumatra, Atjeh and Sri Lanka.
It sounds cynical, but Cordaid, one of the healthcare organisations that will receive 15% of the net cashed revenues, has proudly announced that they had already distributed Euro 25.000,= (US$ 33.750,=)

Another critical sound: the Indonesian Government describes/ looks at Atjeh as a rebellious province/area.
If they will allow any substantial aid to this province is not clear yet. That there is some antagonism is shown by the fact that the well-care workers concentrate on Thailand where logistically spoken aid is easier to supply and execute than in the outer north of Sumatra.
However, we have to wait for the reply of Klaus Neven, he knows the overall situation best, since he is located there.

Another item to be closely observed might be that now such enormous, fantastic large amounts of cash money are available - in the eyes of the local authorities in those areas - that they certainly would like to profit also from the created circumstances. I have this seen happening in Africa.

Cordially
Brien Gilroy aka D' ARTOIS

[Stephen Ditmore]

Here are some boats I think are candidates to be purchased and shipped to Aceh, Sumatra to participate in relief operations:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1293600&slim=quick&
http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1305507&slim=quick&
http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1311460&slim=quick&
http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1289921&slim=quick&

[Neven]

First of all, thanks for your concern!

It is amazing how many people want to help and willing to donate and how little finally reaches the needy ones!

This has several well known reasons:

1) Infrastructure is damaged, so it is very difficult to send anything to Aceh and surrounding areas.

2) Civil War is still going on! Both sides use the relief operations now for their own purposes. Massive troops included special forces are send to the region apparently not busy in helping so much but in erecting check points and tightening the grip on the people. GAM is now in a better position to infiltrate the towns again because most citizens lost their documents and control is nearly impossible. They got also fresh weapon supplies from washed away military compounds.

3) Any persons not organized in major relief organizations and have not good ties to the government will face major problems in getting any items into the country without paying duties, taxes, having proper visa etc. This all cost not only money but time!

4) There will be hardly any local shipyard willing to build boats without a profit! Furthermore the local shipyards are using for the fisherboats only cheap local woods and have no experience with other materials. Most build just by experience and will not even be able to read a boat plan which you might considering to supply!

As a conclusion: It will be the best to supply ready build or used boats either to known relief organisations or we can try to build up some network through my own contacts, but these contacts are not boatbuilding related, so we can send them only boats and other items ready for use.

I think the design is not that crucial. Anything will help for the time being.

I'm back in Singapore now from a boat delivery but probably have to move to Belize soon...

[Stephen Ditmore]

Thanks Mr. Neven, and best wishes.

I'd like to follow up on the suggestion that existing boats be utilized. If a group were to buy these two boats:
http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1311460&slim=quick&
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1293600&slim=quick&
should they be donated to CARE? If CARE or another organizqation needs advice on how & where to get the boats operational, can they contact you?

Do you think these boats are appropriate choices?

[Neven]

Thanks,

The design is fine but the price for the alu vessel is not appropriate and would create envy because only a very few people would get such a boat! Also transportation from Australia / NZ is not that cheap!

I would suggest to order normal fisherboats readily available from a Malaysian Yard, just located opposite of Sumatra, about 300nm away from Aceh: http://www.explorer.com.my

They build cost effective vessels in GRP for fishermen and leisure. I have the old price list from 2003 but not so much should have changed:

F i s h e r m a n S e r i e s
Explorer Tracker 20 6,060.00
F-17 Rib Type 3,170.00
F-17 Foam Filled 3,730.00
F-19 Rib Type 3,450.00
F-19 Foam Filled 4,000.00
F-22 RibType New Model 6,840.00
F-22 Foam Filled A Type New Model 7,280.00
F-22 Foam Filled B Type New Model 7,500.00
F-24 Rib Type New Model 7,390.00
F-24 Foam Filled A Type New Model 7,560.00
F-24 Foam Filled B Type New Model 7,780.00

Prices are Malaysian Ringgit, 100 Ringgit being approx. US$ 27.

It would be probably also possible to supply them with materials in case a company likes to donate, but surely they want be paid for their work.

Yes, we can ask Care, and if they need help they can contact me.

Best Regards

[Neven]

Just got this mail below. Hopefully Explorer will not become too busy now!

Anyway, Malaysia is much better of then Indonesia and the damage was far less. All donations should therefore be channeled to Indonesia or Sri Lanka.

Dear Sir,

The effect after the tsunami, we are nominated to coordinate, build and supply new fisherman boat to effected fisherman in Malaysia.

Therefore we invites all ship builders in Asia region to work with us to deliver the requirement.

Kindly respond for further corresponding.

Thanks and regards

Hafiz
+6 019 349 8128
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

[Neven]

Here is probably the best solution: Some French who are already actively preparing such a project, set up already the logistics and probably worthy of support! Just got following mail:

Dear Friends,

I am now ready to come back to Indonesia... And facing this terrible disaster that occurred in the Indian Ocean lately, something had to be done from my side. I am now involved in a project helping to rebuild the destroyed local fishing fleet in Northern Sumatra.

I invite you to check this website for further information :

www.geodyssee.com/asie

Thank you

Pascal Kainic

Should be possible somehow to join the forces!

[johnbkk]

Please check out this other thread re Mexican pangas,help, etc
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6033&goto=newpost

[johnbkk]

Another week has gone by.

No response from Rainforestboats in Mexico or Explorer in Malaysia........ Great!

What now? :mad:

[Neven]

Today I got this message from an Indonesian Naval Architect who comes from this region:

Terimah kasih atas balasan suratnya,
saya turut mendukung penuh program bantuan tersebut, akan tetapi apakah para nelayan tradisional bisa menerima kapal terbuat dari fibre glass dan berdasarkan survey yang pernah saya lakukan para nelayan tersebut masih lebih menyukai kapal terbuat dari kayu dan mungkin ini sebagai pertimbangan untuk bapak.

So he says that the fishermen prefer wood but he would be ready to help in anyway. His name is Rudi and his email is daulay_95@yahoo.com.

Yes, true, Explorer is very lazy in responding emails!

In case we support the building of the boats locally in wood we would support not only the fishermen but the boatbuilders as well! Just a thought!

[Bazwood]

Some of the people in our town in England are trying to raise funds to have boat builder contsruct a small fishing boat out there so that we can give to someone out there. We are looking for some logistical help. We hear one can get a little fishing boat built for $1500. Is that feasible? Where do we get it from? How do we go about it and who do we donate it to?. Thankyou :)

[D'ARTOIS]

Bazwood, contact Mr Klaus Neven. For Sri Lanka and Thailand is sufficient money available. North-Sumatra might fall between shore- and ship, since the environment for foreign workers is not to good there. Mr Neven speaks the language and knows how to make himself understood as he works already for some time with those small local shipyards.
B.R. Gilroy
International Marine Technologies

KLaus, if you happen to see this post, next Friday I am going to a meeting organised by foreign aid.
Is there something to say on your behalf?

[Bazwood]

Thanks for that. I will pass your information to the people concerned in my community. Regards

[Neven]

Yes, hello, found it!

Thank you very much for your concern and for your intention to help.

We can organize it and give the money to a local boatbuilder in Aceh and give the boat afterwards to a needy fisherman. However, it will take a little time to organize it.

One friend of mine, which I just called, goes now on a regular basis to Aceh and organizes relief operations. He said, he could manage to find a local boatbuilder but he cannot promise how long it will take. He will go to Aceh next week again.

He also asked what kind of proof you would need that the money goes really to the needy person. I said, probably take some photos during construction and give the name of the recipient together with a little description of his whereabouts and personal situation? Please let me know.

I'm at the moment back in Germany and will have to go to Belize end of next month therefore I cannot supervise it personally. Anyway, my friend is trustworthy and capable to organize it. He is Indonesian.

Best Regards

Klaus

[PerCorell]

Hi

Please check the new Cyber-Boat group the Tsunami-Longboat Yahoo group.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tsunami-Longboat/

As all Cyber boats you can find plans free download and graphics in the Foto's section,

I refere from the group description ;

"A group with the original Tsunami Longboat drawings.

The plans that also will be avaible in the groups files section are the new technology restore old crafts with new digital tools make boatsbuilding design and new jobs the measures of progress. Old skills reflect in all new inventions, this one don't just make you a strong nice, cheap boat in actural new technology that work with computers but it will also make you a new house if you rather have that instead of a boat. Still then you just would have the outmost of what modern design and digital manufactoring offer, a new world a new architecture even more beautifull boats.

This grup do not just deal with a design it deal with a new method. The boat you se seem quite tradisional build, but when you realise the structure you know that this is a compleat other world than tradisional boatsbuilding. This is about generating any structure for many different things houses planes intire framework fantastic structures new options yet so simple.

The attitude challance the tradisional architect and design programs as how they today perform ; it make the actural single assembly piece in a woven structure ,forming square or round structures, each and every assembly piece, even all different,it do not make the useal account but the actural thing the N.C. Codes to cut the intire assembly as how you design.

Adding a tank into the hull framework is subtracting a cylinder on a screen and will carve out the spaces for that particular object, into the real frames --- you still must provide the tank but now it's somthing like a tenth the trouble or even less for the skilled designer the architect the one that realise the vision, --- Check for 3D-Honeycomb on the Web to chose from a number of Yahoo groups with numbers of structures to explain the concept,

Go to the files section to download a WRL file into 3D Studio , this contain hull panels aswell as frame assembly as a 3D file."


you also could check the maiin Cyber-Boat group ;

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-Boat/

But please note that this is about a new building method a method that work with computers.

Best regards
Per Corell

[PerCorell]

Hi

Sorry I forgot to point to a graphic about the Tsunami-Longboat, build from a brand new construction method only asking sheet materials , a design where you don't bend one single frrame ;

http://home20.inet.tele.dk/h-3d/Animation-longboat.gif

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tsunami-Longboat/


Best regards
Per Corell

[xrudi]

Hello,

I' m German and worked for 10 years in Indonesia as an advisor for shipbuilding. Last we build gas tankers to Germanischer Lloyd standard in Jakarta. (2500 own people, 1500 subcontractors). In the shipyard I was associated with had also a small fibere glass devision (about 250 people).

Indonesia has definitly the design and technical capability to build small fishing vessels in big numbers in a short time. They have theire own shipbuilding University and Politechnicum (and even an operating towing tank) in Surabaya. Their gradutaes have an acceptable standard.

What is needed here in this situation is not a designs, money etc. it is the the political decision "to build such boats and distibute them".
In this we could assist Indonesia a lot since their political decission making process is in our (westnern minds) sometime very long and complicated.

If we could find a way through our contacts to help Indonesia, we would accomlished what every aid organisation is dreaming of, "we helped them that they could help themself".

Best Regards

Rudi

[Bazwood]

I have given your details to the organiser in our town so I hope they will contact you if all goes to plan. Thank you for the information

[donny_tedjo]

Hi Rudi.

Of course it was complicated over here, if you would donated the boat through the goverment.
But i have heard the Merci org. allready works for it
Why not trying to used our yards, we have many design mould ready for used!!! from 3GT to 45GT/65GT or 7m-24m.

You could also made the boat there and just pay the rent charges at lower rent rate als in malaysian.
Not to forget the labor cost and skilled labor could only find in java area specialy in jakarta, surabaya.
The transport /delivery cost to Aceh is also not much higher than if you send it from malaysia also.
At least the transfer know-how of FRP maintenance to the acehnese fisherman could be easier, since we have experienced with them before.


Donny Tedjo
donny_tw@hotmail.com
http://sg.geocities.com/donny_tedjo/

Ich war mals student und studieren in deutschland :)
Du kannst auch mit die "Indonesian-German Disaster Relief Committee" welsche hat koooperation in Aceh.
die addresee ist
Gedung Perkumpulan Ekonomi Indonesia-Jerman (EKONID)
Jl. H. Agus Salim No 115, Jakarta 10310, Indonesia
Tel. 021-3154685, Fax. 021-3155276
Website: www.indogerm-dirct.org
E-Mail: help@indogerrm-direct.org
Contact Person: Mr. Jan Rönnfeld

In falls du wills kommt in Regierung tender oder andere frage ueber den tsunami gebiet, du kannst an diesen addrese frage.

Sekretariat tim Rekonstruksi Aceh
National Development Planning Board (Bappenas)
Jalan Taman Suropati No. 2
Jakarta-10310
Tel.: 006221/3 92 44 46; Fax: -33 47 79
(S.M.)

[Neven]

> Here's a little information going around the composite 'family' of which
> we are `related' to. I'd like to share with you. Alan Harper and the
> big boys in the industry have already got together and help is along the
> way. From what we understand, their way of handling the situation is
> probably the most sensible and economically viable thing to do.
>
> Hope information is helpful.
>
> Regards
> Beno
>
> Beno Seow (Ms)
>
> Mobile : 65 98221801
> PH: 65 6 8621801 (3lines)
> DID: 65 6 8622656
>
>
> Dynaglass Reinforced Plastic Pte Ltd
>
> 2 Tuas Drive 2 Singapore 638637 Tel: (65) 6862 1801 Fax:
> (65) 6861 821
>
>
> - 27 January 2005 -
> Composite companies help tsunami survivors build boats

>
> Fishing off the coast of Sri Lanka.
> COMPOSITES companies around the world have joined
> forces to help the fishermen of India and Sri Lanka to replace boats destroyed
> by the tsunami which hit South East Asia on 26 December. The group plans to
> bring the technology and skills to the region to enable the rapid
> production of thousands of high quality composite boats.
>
> Alan Harper, managing director of Plastech TT, a UK
> company spe******ing in equipment for closed mould processing, initiated the
> project in January. In just four days he brought together a group of
> composite suppliers which have pledged materials to produce an initial 50 new
> fishing boats for the artisanal fishermen of India and Sri Lanka. These
> initial pledges are sufficient to produce over 100 000 Euros worth of fishing
> boats.
>
> The following is a list of the companies involved in
> the project, and the materials they are donating:
>
> a.. AOC, USA - resins;
> b.. Scott Bader, UK - gel-coats;
> c.. Saertex, Germany /South Africa - glass
> reinforcements;
> d.. Nord Composites, France - mould building resins;
> e.. Axel, USA - mould release agents;
> f.. Norac Andos, USA/Sweden - catalyst systems;
> g.. Structiso/Nidacore, France/USA - core
> materials;and
> h.. Plastech TT, UK - moulding equipment and moulds.
> The group is currently consulting with the fishing
> communities on the design required to replace their wooden catamarans. Once
> the design has been finalised, operations will begin rapidly. One set of
> production moulds, and masters for the production of further moulds on site,
> will be produced using the light resin transfer moulding (RTM) technique.
> These will then be air freighted to the coastal disaster zones, together with
> four of Plastech's injection machines.
>
> Plastech's Alan Harper says that the group is not
> intending to replace the whole of the devastated fishing fleet, but to offer
> practical help which will enable the survivors to help themselves. The
> moulds, machines and materials, combined with the latest technology and training,
> will enable local people to begin the immediate production of 100 fishing
> craft per month. This figure will rise to 400 per month once duplicate
> mould sets are produced locally from the master patterns.
>
> Using this closed moulding technology large numbers of
> boats can be produced very quickly. It would not be possible to make such
> large numbers by the traditional hand lay-up moulding technique as the
> skilled workers required are not available. The Light RTM technique is an
> environmentally friendly, clean manufacturing method, with low wastage, and
> results in high quality products. The boats will be built to last for more than
> 20 years.
>

[Schoonerman]

We here in Indonesia are very much aware and see numerous proposals to replace boats lost by local fishermen in the SUMUT area. We have chartered a 900GT sailing cargo vessel KLM Maruta Jaya to carry aid to the SUMUT area. We have posted summary of our offer at http://www.songlinecruises.com/wre.php

Your assistance is finding cargo for this project would be appreciated.

Robin Engel

[xrudi]

Nice that this boat is still around. I have been several times on it when it belonged to the Indonesian Navy. Mr. Schenzle's (TU Hamburg) idea was that this boat should replace the traditional Phenisis in Indonnesia. It is a good and seaworthy boat.

Cheers

Rudi

[Schoonerman]

Rudi,

It is a special vessel isn't it ! Capt Ray Williamson and I have been interested in MJ for quite sometime. We are sort of playing our cards with this charter and hope move her from her present un-respectable and un-profitable task of basic cargo haulage to a full time Aid oriented operation. We are of the opinion that as me move into this next phase of the re-construction of North Sumatra, Maruta Jaya "might" be able to find a place in some programs as a construction or training platform, similar to the photos I see in this tread on boat building. Any assistance that you might be able to give us in passing the word on our interest in finding NGOs' interested in using Maruta Jaya would forever be appreciated.

One additional point you might be able to assist us with is our eventual plan to put her INDO Rig back together. The present system seems to be in place, but we are concerned about the electric motors and some parts of the rigging itself !

If we can get past these first 4 months with out going broke, we will be interested in taking on that project.

Thanks again for your kind response and be advised that the Traditional Pinisi Schooner will never be replaced !

Respectfully

Robin Engel

[xrudi]

I think a generation of German shipbuilding students designed and worked on this boat. There where extensive model tests done with the hull and the rigg. To change this might be a suboptimal decision:).

Best Regards

Rudi

[Schoonerman]

Rudi,

Be assured that it was "never" our intention to alter the sail system, rather it would be to return that system to her original design.

The Design Students from TU Hamberg, interest me, would be possible to know of a news-group or alumni site from that school of design, through which we might be able to speak with these people ?

Robin

[xrudi]

Robin,

I think you should contact the project leader of this project Prof. Schenzle ( I think he is a professor now ) and/or look up his publications.

These group of students who worked in this reseach project 25 to 30 years ago are all established naval architects now. Difficult to find.
The money to do this reseach came from the German Government, therefore the result is open. I did a project on "Sailing Tuna Fishing Boat for Indonesia " a long line boat with sail assistant. But this was a long time ago.

Best Regards

Rudi

[oneuglyboat]

We have a boat that would fit the needs of many in the are to provide transportation and fishing boat needs. its an aluminum deck boat that can be shipped in a box including a trailer. the complete boat and trailer goes in a box 12ft long 32 inches wide and 24 inches tall. the ship wt is 770 lbs. we make it a a kit but it would work well for needs indicated. ti could be mass produced in a short time. (30 days) you can see it at www.oneuglyboat.com.

[Stephen Ditmore]

Here's my latest version of the "Fact Sheet" I've been working on.... trying to organize what I've learned in this forum for land lubbery relief coordinators who'd like to rebuild the fishing fleets and provide for the coastal transportation needs of tsunami struck areas. Please help me distribute it (and correct it or add to it as necessary).

Thanks everyone.
Stephen

[mmaskell]

We used to build fishing boats which we gave to Timorese Villiages for free but we closed our operation down when local officials started charging fees for accepting our donations and equipment ended up in the garages of corrupt officials. Our efforts now go where they will be appreciated. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

[johnbkk]

G'day Mike,
I'm amazed and saddened by news of corrupt e-timorese officials wanting tea money for boats donated by ABET.
I guess corruption really is endemic from Burma thru to PNG now. Grrr.

Where are the boats going to now?

[mmaskell]

My partner (and professional boatbuilder) Barry Wicks is now in North Queensland, having had to leave copious quantities of tools, equipment and personal effects in Timor,their rules,and is in the process of forming partnerships with tribal elders and local councillers, in order to set up a program teaching indigenous peoples in the area boatbuilding skills. Its a slow process but watch this space.