fast junk

[fred_heyer]

I am looking to have built a wooden vessel - similar to a junk in profile and about 120 foot that will go close to the wind - ie fairly long, deep and slim, probably two or three masts, bermudan sails, self tacking.

Quotes, opinions, suggestions and contacts welcome, particularly in China or Indonesia.

[PAR]

I was looking for a design too. It needs be trailerable, fast, comfortable, safe, self-righting, aft cabin & small pilot house both with standing headroom, flush decked, three masted schooner and shoal draft. Any Ideas?

Let me know about the junk, we'll both buy one . . .

[gonzo]

Junks, with their blunt bows, don't point into the wind.

[PAR]

Their freeboard can't help them to wind much also. Typically, they aren't narrow, deep nor have Bermudan rigs, though I think they take care of themselves in tacking.

So you want a Junk looking (sort of) hull, without the junk rig, without the junk shape and draft. Why not paint a dragon on the trailboards of a hull form more suited to your needs? Maybe a pinky, as a ketch (would look so much better as a gaff)
but the boards could have typical Chinese artwork carved on fore and aft in teak?

[SeaDrive]

These ideas seem like such a sketchy basis on which to contemplate spending about $5,000,000 that I hestitate to make any suggestions at all. However, you might look over Thomas Colvin's designs. http://www.thomasecolvin.com/index.htm

He has junks, and junk-rigged hulls of more American types. There is mention of sizes up to 150' on the junk page, though the boats illustrated stop at about 65'.

[MarkC]

Thomas Colvin is the one.

Look at his 18.5 meter designed with a narrow and deep hull - for better windward work.

[Robert Miller]

Why would one want to give up the efficiency, simplicity, and beauty of the junk rig, when seeking a hull-shape that would normally work well with such a rig?

Look also at Tom MacNaughton's designs, a number of which are quite lovely with junk rig.

Obviously, the technical AND the aesthetic qualities of a boat design suggest a rig (or type of rig) to be considered.
But then, of course, exceptions, always:
1. Blondie Hasler's "Jester"
2. Look in the current issue of WoodenBoat. Arch Davis 17' Penobscot design as a balanced lug two master. Looks great.

Robert

[MarkC]

No really, have a look at Colvin's site.

He discusses all of these issues, and all within his web-site.

For example;
- improving windward ability of 'the junk',
- why it isnt a good idea to put a junk ring on a pinky,
- different materials that the hull can be made from

He has/is designing junks for cargo work and for fishing and are being built in places such as East Timor for working in the China Sea.

The proof 'is in the pudding' or so they say.