Islander - Seagoer

[kolosanka]

Hi,

I would like to build a boat. Last year I've been working for one NZ boatbuilder, who helped me to buy and fix an old seabird. I loved the time I spent on her. Now I am on the other side of the globe, in the middle Europe thinking about building the Harry Pidgeons Islander. Can someone help me with finding the design? thx..

[hoytedow]

I found this in Wikipedia.: In 1917, Pidgeon started constructing the Islander from plans he copied from a book in the local library. He built it in the Port of Los Angeles. The Islander cost $1,000 in materials and took a year and a half of hard work. Upon completion, he tested the yawl with trips to Catalina Island and then to Hawaii and back.

[Angélique]

I would like to build a boat. Last year I've been working for one NZ boatbuilder, who helped me to buy and fix an old seabird. I loved the time I spent on her. Now I am on the other side of the globe, in the middle Europe thinking about building the Harry Pidgeons Islander. Can someone help me with finding the design? thx..

Welcome Kolosanka,

Harry Pidgeon's 34' Islander Yawl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islander_(yawl))was built along the lines of a 25' 7" Sea Bird Yawl designed by Thomas Fleming Day*.


Here are the plans of the 25' 7" Sea Bird Yawl

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/400003a.gif (http://www.woodenboatstore.com/25-7-Sea-Bird-Yawl/productinfo/400-003/)


There is also a modified 25' 7" plywood version designed by Charles G. Mac Gregor

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/400035.jpg (http://www.woodenboatstore.com/257-Plywood-Yawl-Sea-Bird/productinfo/400-035/)


Both are in the book Fifty Wooden Boats

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/325060.jpg (http://www.woodenboatstore.com/Prodinfo.ASP?NUMBER=325-060&MITEM=1)


Good Luck!
Angel


PS
* Just looked that up, the more complete info about Sea Bird Yawl's designer is: Conceived by Captain Thomas Fleming Day, drawn up by Charles D. Mower with construction details by Larry Huntington.


Attachment: Harry Pidgeon's 34' Islander Yawl

[Angélique]

The original Sea Bird Yawl was built in 1901* as a centerboarder but due to a lack of interior space she was converted into a keel craft in 1902*. The plans are now available with a choice of centerboard or ballast keel configurations.

Harry Pidgeon's 34' Islander Yawl (L 34', B 10' 9", D 5') was build as a ballast keel craft, see page 5 (http://books.google.com/books?id=6yvetuCuVm0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Around+the+World+Single-Handed:+The+Cruise+of+the+%22Islander%22&source=bl&ots=DifWGOMoks&sig=hGKysD8aVhRlvJULkj6r1mxUzmk&hl=nl&ei=IjDkS5z4DIKtOPyi4NsN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=true) (I hope the link works - if so, scroll down) of his book.

I guess there is a lot of info in Harry Pidgeon's book ‘‘Around the World Single-Handed: The Cruise of the "Islander"’’, it's available (http://www.amazon.com/Around-World-Single-Handed-Islander-Adventure/dp/0486259463) by Amazon.

Harry Pidgeon spend USD1,000 in materials cost and a year and a half of hard work to build his Islander in 1917-18. Do you have any idea what it would cost to build the 34' Islander Yawl nowadays?

* Dates as stated in the book the book Fifty Wooden Boats which is mentioned in post #3. (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/islander-seagoer-32669.html#post363713)Another book says ‘‘launched in 1909’’, see post #32. (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/islander-seagoer-32669-3.html#post364253)


Good Luck!
Angel


PS - See also this article (http://buildaboat.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/following-in-the-footsteps-of-adventurers-and-eccentrics/).


Attachment: Cover of Harry Pidgeon's book.

[kolosanka]

hi angel

thx for your answer. I already know, that islander is comming from a sea bird design. What I am looking for is a 34-foot yawl, designed by C. D. Mower for the sailing magazine "Rudder". It is based on the Flemings Seabird, but can you help me to find the rudder plan, which Harry Pidgeon used? thx

[kolosanka]

well I 'll gues it´s gonna be about 6000$

[Angélique]

well I 'll gues it´s gonna be about 6000$

I think you are a way off base. I'll like to see a expert's vision on that.

Good Luck!
Angel

[kolosanka]

The costs always depend on the area, where you want to spend the money. I think I can build the boat very cheap, but I need the informations about this particular design. Maybe I am a way of base, but still I'll give it a try :)

[apex1]

I think you are a way off base. I'll like to see a expert's vision on that.

Good Luck!
Angel

Well pointed,

expect 8€ - 10€ per kg of the basically equipped vessel and you have a broad figure.

For such a old design that would be around 5 to 8 tonnes? There you have the figure.

(6000$ does´nt buy the engine and gear!)


Regards
Richard

[Angélique]

....
Maybe I am a way of base, but still I'll give it a try :)

OK, but when you start be sure to have enough money and perseverance to finish it. And take what Richard says here as a serious advise for calculations.

Good Luck!
Angel

[gonzo]

I raced one of them in the late 70's. We got her to plane at over 15 kts.

[TeddyDiver]

I raced one of them in the late 70's.
Islander or Sea Bird? Centerboard or keel?

[Angélique]

Islander or Sea Bird? Centerboard or keel?

My guess is a centerboard Sea Bird, but I like to hear from Gonzo :)

The plywood Sea Bird, design 2 in post#3, has a little keel* and a centerboard. The weight saved by the use of plywood is in that little keel and is additional to the ballast wich is in the original carvel planked centerboard Sea Bird.

So if it was a centerboard Sea Bird, wich version . . ? ? ‘‘late 70's’’ the plywood one I guess . . . . . . . ?

*the difference in draft of 7" is caused by that little keel (see for the basic specs the links in post#3).

Cheers!
Angel

[Angélique]

What I am looking for is a 34-foot yawl, designed by C. D. Mower for the sailing magazine "Rudder". It is based on the Flemings* Seabird, but can you help me to find the rudder plan, which Harry Pidgeon used? thx - - (* = Thomas Fleming Day ~ Tom Day)

I looked into Harry's Harry Pidgeon's book ‘‘Around the World Single-Handed: The Cruise of the "Islander"’’ for that, page 6 reads....

-- This link (http://books.google.com/books?id=6yvetuCuVm0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Around+the+World+Single-Handed:+The+Cruise+of+the+%22Islander%22&source=bl&ots=DifWGOMoks&sig=hGKysD8aVhRlvJULkj6r1mxUzmk&hl=nl&ei=IjDkS5z4DIKtOPyi4NsN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=true)(I hope it works) gives a preview of the book, but many pages are missing for copyright reasons, it gave me page 6, scroll down to see it. --

‘‘ . . . . . . Three safe and handy cruising boats wre brought out and the plans published in the Rudder. They were Sea Bird, Naiad and Seagoer. The Islander was built after the lines of the Seagoer and the general construction plan is the same, but I used ideas from each of these boats and added some ideas of my own as suggested by material at hand and my limited resources. All the information I had when building the Islander is contained in a booklet published by the Rudder Publishing Company, of New York (How to Build a Cruising Yawl), containg instrictions for building Sea Bird, Naiad and Seagoer. . . . . . . ’’


Google on ‘‘How to Build a Cruising Yawl’’ gave me a book that looks to be the book that Harry Pidgeon used to build his Islander.

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‘‘ HOW TO BUILD A CRUISING YAWL (http://www.dngoodchild.com/4912.htm) -- Sea Bird, Seagoer and Naiad -- by Rudder Magazine.

When Thomas Fleming Day built Sea Bird and sailed it across the Atlantic to Rome, he created a sensation and enormous desire for the plans of this shoal draft , centerboad cruising yacht. They were produced and many, many derivations of Sea Bird were eventually built and many are still sailing and building today. Following the great success of the original, as per usual, many requests were received for "just a little bit bigger boat." Seagoer and Naiad were the result. We offer the plans for Sea Bird as a booklet and are now pleased to be able to offer the plans for all three in one convenient publication; Sea Bird, Seagoer and Naiad ’’

http://www.dngoodchild.com/4912.jpg - http://www.dngoodchild.com/4912pic2.jpg - http://www.dngoodchild.com/4912pic3.jpg

The book is for sale for $ 19.95 on this page (http://dngoodchild.com/cart/4912cart.htm) (I don't know if it's reliable).

http://www.dngoodchild.com/4912pic4.jpg


-- As the boats are related here also the info about Sea Bird from the same website. See the quote below for the required skills. --

‘‘ BUILD THE FAMOUS SEA BIRD (http://dngoodchild.com/5667.htm) -- a comfortable, seaworthy cruiser of moderate draft. The original sailed from New York to Rome -- Reprinted from Rudder.

"Sea Bird", herself, needs little introduction to the yachtsmen of the world as her record is well-known and her name will echo down the corridors of time for many years to come. We will therefore dispense with any unnecessary palaver and get down to business. In the first place, "Sea Bird" is designed primarily for the professional builder but, as already stated, a great many duplicates have been built with considerable success by amateurs. If you are handy with tools and know a little something about boat building, you ought to be able to complete her, but if you have had little or no experience on the subject, consider something simpler to start off with; a dinghy for instance. ’’

http://dngoodchild.com/5667.jpg


There is a lot of info on the D.N. Goodchild (http://dngoodchild.com/) website of wich the above also came.

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This source (http://books.google.com/books?id=y43_PgAACAAJ&dq=How+to+Build+a+Cruising+Yawl&hl=nl&ei=uATlS6vRBMeYOLr03dsN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA) said that the Naiad is 38'.

Keep us posted . . . . ! !

Good Luck!
Angel

[gonzo]

It was a keel Islander built in 1948 or so. I was onboard her last year and it is still in great shape but they changed the masts to aluminum and the sails to Dacron. That day it was blowing about 70 knots and we had the mizzen and the smallest jib up.

[EKMadrigal]

Hi Kolosanka,

I'm the grandniece of Captain Harry Pidgeon and would really love to follow your progress while you plan and build your "Islander". You can email me at elizabeth@captainharrypidgeon.org and visit my website, http://captainharrypidgeon.org.

For anyone else interested in my Uncle Harry, or who has any details or family stories from older relatives, please share with me. I am researching for a book about the rest of his life - he did very well covering his adventures - and would love to have more personal details that are not public knowledge.

Also, for those of you who are interested, Harry was an amazing photographer, and a 1560+ collection of his glass negatives is archived at the University of California Riverside's Museum of Photography. You can go directly to their site, but it might be easier to go to mine as it is a little cumbersome to find it you don't have good instructions. The museum has let me use some of the photos on my site, so enjoy and the link instructions to there are exact!

Best regards to all the sailors on here,
Elizabeth Madrigal

[hoytedow]

Welcome to the forum, Elizabeth.

[Angélique]

Hi Elizabeth,

Thanks for the info and welcome here . . . . ! !

And thanks for your nice website about Harry Pidgeon :)

Good Luck!
Angel

[frank smith]

I think you can get plans at Mystic Seaport in Connecticut .

[Angélique]

I think you can get plans at Mystic Seaport in Connecticut .

I already looked there at the C. D. Mower Collection (http://library.mysticseaport.org/manuscripts/coll/spcoll009.cfm). The 25.25' Sea Bird is there but I didn't see the 34' Seagoer/Islander neither the 38'(?) Naiad.

But I think it's worth a better search at Mystic Seaport (http://www.mysticseaport.org/) and Mystic Seaport Library (http://library.mysticseaport.org/) - (Kolosanka, go ahead and tell us :))

And I do think they have the book ‘‘How to Build a Cruising Yawl’’ as well as al editons of Rudder Magazine, not all them are online (http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/ImPage.cfm?BibID=26433&ChapterId=1) yet but copies are for sale. They are also for sale here (http://www.aandc.org/collections/rudder.html), the original price was 25 cents . . . . :cool:

About the 38'(?) Naiad, I saw that this link says she is 38' and that she's in the 1931 editon (http://books.google.com/books?id=y43_PgAACAAJ&dq=How+to+Build+a+Cruising+Yawl&hl=nl&ei=TaLmS-TWCYeaOPzP6LMH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA) of the book ‘‘How to Build a Cruising Yawl’’ (30 pages) and that the link to the 1934 editon (http://books.google.com/books?id=rSdoPAAACAAJ&dq=How+to+Build+a+Cruising+Yawl&hl=nl&ei=TaLmS-TWCYeaOPzP6LMH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ) (32 pages) doesn't metion her. I can't look into the books there though.

Elizabeth, do you have or are you aware of any building plans of the Islander? And do you have the book ‘‘How to Build a Cruising Yawl’’? (see post#14 (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/islander-seagoer-32669.html#post363985))

Good Luck!
Angel

[frank smith]

I already looked there at the C. D. Mower Collection (http://library.mysticseaport.org/manuscripts/coll/spcoll009.cfm). The 25.25' Sea Bird is there but I didn't see the 34' Seagoer/Islander neither the 38'(?) Naiad.

But I think it's worth a better search at Mystic Seaport (http://www.mysticseaport.org/) and Mystic Seaport Library (http://library.mysticseaport.org/) - (Kolosanka, go ahead and tell us :))

And I do think they have the book ‘‘How to Build a Cruising Yawl’’ as well as al editons of Rudder Magazine, not all them are online (http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/ImPage.cfm?BibID=26433&ChapterId=1) yet but copies are for sale. They are also for sale here (http://www.aandc.org/collections/rudder.html), the original price was 25 cents . . . . :cool:

About the 38'(?) Naiad, I saw that this link says she is 38' and that she's in the 1931 editon (http://books.google.com/books?id=y43_PgAACAAJ&dq=How+to+Build+a+Cruising+Yawl&hl=nl&ei=TaLmS-TWCYeaOPzP6LMH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA) of the book ‘‘How to Build a Cruising Yawl’’ (30 pages) and that the link to the 1934 editon (http://books.google.com/books?id=rSdoPAAACAAJ&dq=How+to+Build+a+Cruising+Yawl&hl=nl&ei=TaLmS-TWCYeaOPzP6LMH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ) (32 pages) doesn't metion her. I can't look into the books there though.

Elizabeth, do you have or are you aware of any building plans of the Islander? And do you have the book ‘‘How to Build a Cruising Yawl’’? (see post#14 (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/islander-seagoer-32669.html#post363985))

Good Luck!
Angel

Seagoer yawl, 3-masted Goeller, Fred W., Jr.

can be found at Mystic

[kolosanka]

thanks guys for your answers.. I found the 3 masted seagoer as well, thx to you angelique.. Some of this links I found earlier, but thx anyway.. I don't have any new infos.. What will be good is, to find something like ISBN for the booklet How to build a cruising yawl from that days :D There must be a copy of that somewhere..

[frank smith]

All of these boat that I have seen in pictures look to be down quite far .
They are light disp. and would be improved by using modern building techniques. a little more free board wouldn't hurt either , IMO .

[Angélique]

What will be good is, to find something like ISBN for the booklet How to build a cruising yawl from that days :D There must be a copy of that somewhere..

Try the one in post#14 (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/islander-seagoer-32669.html#post363985) and tell us . . . . :)

Cheers!
Angel

[Angélique]

Seagoer yawl, 3-masted Goeller, Fred W., Jr.

can be found at Mystic

Yes, found it mentioned several times - ‘‘Seagoer yawl, 3-masted, 34' - Goeller, Fred W., Jr.’’ - but only that bit of text, no specs or drawings. If you found specs and/or drawings please give a link. As it is a three master and a different designer it could be a different boat with the same name.

About the ‘3-masted yawl’, I guess Rudder Magzine is right, but I tought a yawl was only 2-masted. :confused: - - Can somebody enlighten me :idea: ? ?

I found this info in this bolg.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G2s2yBIDE80/Szx5S2ybddI/AAAAAAAAAx4/n2I2B7IoheE/s1600/islander.gif (http://bills-log.blogspot.com/2009/12/islander-and-harry-pidgeon-1869-1954.html)

‘‘ Details of ‘Islander’
Class Seagoer class yawl designed by Frederick William Goeller, Jr.
LOA 34’
LWL 27’ 6”
Beam 10’ 10”
Tonnage 12
Sail Area, sq ft 635
Rig Gaff Yawl
Construction Wood: Oak, Douglas Fir and Oregon Pine ’’

Don't know if the info in this blog ‘‘designed by Frederick William Goeller, Jr’’ is correct but it's a 2-masted yawl - not 3.

Cheers!
Angel

[frank smith]

Yes, found it mentioned several times - ‘‘Seagoer yawl, 3-masted, 34' - Goeller, Fred W., Jr.’’ - but only that bit of text, no specs or drawings. If you found specs and/or drawings please give a link. As it is a three master and a differend designer it could be a differend boat.

About the 3-masted yawl, I guess Rudder Magzine is right, but I tought that a yawl was only 2-masted. :confused: - - Can somebody enlighten me :idea: ? ?

I found this info in this bolg.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G2s2yBIDE80/Szx5S2ybddI/AAAAAAAAAx4/n2I2B7IoheE/s1600/islander.gif (http://bills-log.blogspot.com/2009/12/islander-and-harry-pidgeon-1869-1954.html)

‘‘ Details of ‘Islander’
Class Seagoer class yawl designed by Frederick William Goeller, Jr.
LOA 34’
LWL 27’ 6”
Beam 10’ 10”
Tonnage 12
Sail Area, sq ft 635
Rig Gaff Yawl
Construction Wood: Oak, Douglas Fir and Oregon Pine ’’

Don't know if the info in this blog ‘‘ designed by Frederick William Goeller, Jr ’’ is correct but it's a 2-masted yawl - not 3.

Cheers!
Angel

Doug fir and Oregon pine are the same . The disp. would be about 12500 LB .
Perhaps the bowsprit is considered a spar ?

Frank

[apex1]

About the ‘3-masted yawl’, I guess Rudder Magzine is right, but I tought a yawl was only 2-masted. :confused: - - Can somebody enlighten me :idea: ? ?
Angel

You are right.

Yawls are 2 masted! (in fact 1 1/2 to be correct)

[frank smith]

You are right.

Yawls are 2 masted! (in fact 1 1/2 to be correct)

Are you saying that Rudder and Mystic Seaport are wrong?
Surley you are wrong .

Frank

[Angélique]

Yawls are 2 masted! (in fact 1 1/2 to be correct)



Are you saying that Rudder and Mystic Seaport are wrong?

Only way to know that is to ask Rudder Magazine or Mystic Seaport Museum what they mean by ‘‘3-masted yawl’’. Who is going to do that . . . ? ?

Cheers!
Angel

[apex1]

Are you saying that Rudder and Mystic Seaport are wrong?
Surley you are wrong .

Frank

Do you have access to the internet???

If so, try to make sensible use of it before you contradict:!:

[frank smith]

Do you have access to the internet???

If so, try to make sensible use of it before you contradict:!:
But it is you who have contradicted Richard .

[Tad]

Below are the Islander lines from Steve Doherty's book "The Boats They Sailed In". He includes chapters on Sea Bird and Islander. The smaller (25') Sea Bird design was created first, and the first one was launched in 1909, the plan was popular and of course many asked for something the same just larger. The Seagoer (34') design is a 1/3 scale up of Sea Bird, and was commissioned by Rudder Magazine from NA Fredrick William Goeller, Jr. Finally a 1/2 larger (approx 38') centerboard design was commissioned, to be called Naiad. All three designs were sold as a booklet (reprinted by DN Goodchild) and this what Harry was working from.

Islander is a Seagoer gaff yawl and is not 3 masted.

The design is interesting for the time due to rather light displacement for a cruising boat. I get roughly 11,000 pounds to DWL or about the same as the much smaller Seraffyn. Also of note is only 1250 pounds outside ballast, thus there was probably another 1500-2500 inside??

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[apex1]

But it is you who have contradicted Richard .

Yes to the (wrong) three masted Yawl.
No to Angeliques assumption.

And a Yawl has two masts, as a sloop has one, period.

[liki]

Tad,

would be the book happen to include lines plan and interior layout for the 25' Seabird?

[frank smith]

Yes to the (wrong) three masted Yawl.
No to Angeliques assumption.

And a Yawl has two masts, as a sloop has one, period.

Then, two it is .

[Angélique]

There's no reason to claim that who ever what ever never ever has been mistaken in anything. Maybe, if asked, Rudder and Mystic Seaport are the first to admit that ‘‘3-masted yawl’’ is a mistake. Maybe it's just a typo that is copied to all the places where the ‘F. W. Goeller, Jr. Seagoer’ is mentioned on the website. And maybe they have an explanation (that I can't think of) to make it right. I would love to hear that because that would enlarge my knowlege.

As an aside, here Nigel Irens' Roanna (http://www.nigelirens.com/FRAMEcruising.htm) that some call a ‘‘3-masted yawl’’ which it isn't. But when seeing the design I can understand why some do so.

http://www.nigelirens.com/images/Roanna.gif

Cheers!
Angel

PS - ‘‘Then, two it is .’’ - Oops.. Sorry Frank, I saw your post only after posting so the above isn't a respond to your last post.

[hoytedow]

Ya'll read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yawl

[frank smith]

Below are the Islander lines from Steve Doherty's book "The Boats They Sailed In". He includes chapters on Sea Bird and Islander. The smaller (25') Sea Bird design was created first, and the first one was launched in 1909, the plan was popular and of course many asked for something the same just larger. The Seagoer (34') design is a 1/3 scale up of Sea Bird, and was commissioned by Rudder Magazine from NA Fredrick William Goeller, Jr. Finally a 1/2 larger (approx 38') centerboard design was commissioned, to be called Naiad. All three designs were sold as a booklet (reprinted by DN Goodchild) and this what Harry was working from.

Islander is a Seagoer gaff yawl and is not 3 masted.

The design is interesting for the time due to rather light displacement for a cruising boat. I get roughly 11,000 pounds to DWL or about the same as the much smaller Seraffyn. Also of note is only 1250 pounds outside ballast, thus there was probably another 1500-2500 inside??

43021
I have heard that they end up displacing 18000 lb fully loaded. If that is the case ,then they would be under ballasted. It is also wide at the waterline ,
and seams a poor match for the keel configuration . The hollow in the bow cant help with speed , and when overloaded would push a large bow wave . I think the are better designs for the purpose , and would lend them selves better to modern construction. But as you say it was sort of the beginning of the light disp.
cruiser.

Frank

[hoytedow]

There's no reason to claim that who ever what ever never ever has been mistaken in anything. Maybe, if asked, Rudder and Mystic Seaport are the first to admit that ‘‘3-masted yawl’’ is a mistake. Maybe it's just a typo that is copied to all the places where the ‘F. W. Goeller, Jr. Seagoer’ is mentioned on the website. And maybe they have an explanation (that I can't think of) to make it right. I would love to hear that because that would enlarge my knowlege.

As an aside, here Nigel Irens' Roanna (http://www.nigelirens.com/FRAMEcruising.htm) that some call a ‘‘3-masted yawl’’ which it isn't. But when seeing the design I can understand why some do so.

http://www.nigelirens.com/images/Roanna.gif

Cheers!
Angel

PS - ‘‘Then, two it is .’’ - Oops.. Sorry Frank, I saw your post only after posting so the above isn't a respond to your last post.Ditto.:D

[frank smith]

I going to say that it was one of them schooner yawls .::P

[frank smith]

T

http://www.nigelirens.com/images/Roanna.gif

Cheers!
Angel


what a beautiful boat .

[hoytedow]

Indeed!

[frank smith]

http://www.costaricabeach-house.com/seagoer1.jpg
A three masted yawl

[SbirdScott]

This is Ken Scott, owner of the Seagoer Yawl, Noe Mar. I have original and copied (2 sets) of plans from the Rudder Magazine. I would be willing to FAX or mail a copy of them to anyone wishing to build a Seagoer. I have met several friends and relatives of Harry at Wooden Boat shows in Port Townsend, WA. I live in Oregon and the Noe Mar is currently in La Paz, BCS, Mx. Check her out @ www.yawlnoemar.blogspot.com

[frank smith]

the estimates of disp. for Seagoer are 11000 -12500 lb. This is light by the standards of the day. I loaded the lines into to Freeships, as best i could based on the info I could get , and some Seagoers look to displace up to 18000lb . This is based on observable waterlines. How does the affect the performance of the boat in general?
I am sure that it could be made lighter with modern building methods , and cost more to build. But wouldn't it be better to pick a design that was meant to carry the wight ?

F

[frank smith]

This is Ken Scott, owner of the Seagoer Yawl, Noe Mar. I have original and copied (2 sets) of plans from the Rudder Magazine. I would be willing to FAX or mail a copy of them to anyone wishing to build a Seagoer. I have met several friends and relatives of Harry at Wooden Boat shows in Port Townsend, WA. I live in Oregon and the Noe Mar is currently in La Paz, BCS, Mx. Check her out @ www.yawlnoemar.blogspot.com

Hi Scott , I have stopped by your site a few times , and enjoyed it very much.
I first read about Harry Pidgion about years ago. Since then I have been interested in the seagoer design, of which your Noe Mar is a fine example.
I am interested in getting a set of plans.
Regards,frank

[SbirdScott]

Frank, if you wish plans, post your address on my blog of the Noe Mar or email me @ SbirdScott@gmail.com with your address. I have two sets of plans, they are in booklet form...and are different. These are the plans done by Rudder Mag. I also have a set of Seabird plans from Wooden Boat but they are regular plans and you can order them. I might add that the Seabird plans I have are McGregor's plywood version and is better than the original (at least I think so). You might wish to look at both sets and talk to a naval architect to redo them to your ideas. I used Simpson in Burnabe, Canada for a rudder re-design. He is good but is mainly a steel guy. Also, it did not cost me much.

Have fun

Ken Scott