Boatbuilding in SA (SAMSA) (thread split)

[Fanie]

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Hi Manie,

I am 'at it' as well. Beeeeg fcukin BUT

Couple of problems preventing actual building. This black plague roaming around that can legally kill and thief at their leisure. I can only work evenings outside, so before I can do anything I will have to put up a building to work in safety, That said, I'm not sure I want to stay in this ****** up place any more. There is no where you can go where there isn't ****.

We were recently refused to launch the tri at two beaches - SAS says I'm legal to go, SAMSA's figgin hooligans says they don't know anything about sailboats thus do not allow them. A confrontation with SAMSA had them tell me it's not their jurisdiction, now suddenly it's the department of tourism that is responsible for the fcukup and I must take them on, BUT (and listen to this) if I join a sailing club THEN it would be a different scenario because I can then go out with the club (fcuk again :(). I hear the .AU guys complain about rules and regulations - I doubt it can be this stupid over there.

So Manie, the situation boils down to one that even IF you build the figgin boat you are going to sit on it at home and make lip sounds, but going to water with it you are going to get screwed.

Re the last trip, it would have been cheaper to fly to Mas in .AU and 'holiday' there with him (and pay him) for the week than to waste my money going to the coast here. Since SAMSA started their ****, the whole boat thing in SA got ****** up, and for good reason. They however think they are doing a great job (just like the gov), just make more and more stupid rules and regulations that take any and all liability off'n them and stash it on the poor **** who has to try and do nothing wrong, which btw is impossible.

Bring back the old South Africa. There was less drownings and boating accidents then anyway and no one was deprived of his rights in his own cuntry (F again).

So as you can see I have some things to ponder currently.

[boat fan]

Hi Manie,

I am 'at it' as well. Beeeeg fcukin BUT

Couple of problems preventing actual building. This black plague roaming around that can legally kill and thief at their leisure. I can only work evenings outside, so before I can do anything I will have to put up a building to work in safety, That said, I'm not sure I want to stay in this ****** up place any more. There is no where you can go where there isn't ****.

We were recently refused to launch the tri at two beaches - SAS says I'm legal to go, SAMSA's figgin hooligans says they don't know anything about sailboats thus do not allow them. A confrontation with SAMSA had them tell me it's not their jurisdiction, now suddenly it's the department of tourism that is responsible for the fcukup and I must take them on, BUT (and listen to this) if I join a sailing club THEN it would be a different scenario because I can then go out with the club (fcuk again :(). I hear the .AU guys complain about rules and regulations - I doubt it can be this stupid over there.

So Manie, the situation boils down to one that even IF you build the figgin boat you are going to sit on it at home and make lip sounds, but going to water with it you are going to get screwed.

Re the last trip, it would have been cheaper to fly to Mas in .AU and 'holiday' there with him (and pay him) for the week than to waste my money going to the coast here. Since SAMSA started their ****, the whole boat thing in SA got ****** up, and for good reason. They however think they are doing a great job (just like the gov), just make more and more stupid rules and regulations that take any and all liability off'n them and stash it on the poor **** who has to try and do nothing wrong, which btw is impossible.

Bring back the old South Africa. There was less drownings and boating accidents then anyway and no one was deprived of his rights in his own cuntry (F again).

So as you can see I have some things to ponder currently.




That sounds a little depressing Fani...


Is it really like that most places ? ..:(


Manie B , have you had this problem ?

Guess we are still the " lucky" country in OZ after all ......

SAMSA ....would that be .......South African Maritime Safety Association ?

[Fanie]

Yes sorry boat fan (and every one else). I could have been half way with my boat and not getting anywhere. SAMSA makes rules and regulations no one can keep up with or comply to. To name only one example, the CE life jackets I have is now not legal any more (no idea why, I guess the SA standards are so high). Ok so I bought a new life jacket for R 1600. Then I got referrred to the meritime notifications regarding life jackets. This states that by law you have to be in posession of a life jacket (for each person of course) that has to have certain prescribed markings on it - none of which appear on the brand new life jacket :( I got told the life jacket I now have is legal, but that's not what is written in the notices which is the law. Now what ?

I like my CE life jackets. I can wear them all day long while fishing, the new life jacket is like a space suit, forget fishing in it.





Manie - I am long overdue on putting some pages up on the cat. We got snowed under completely lately and it didn't occur to me again until you mentioned it. Good idea to bring the thread up as a reminder.

[Fanie]

Is it really like that most places ? ..
I don't know. We were 5 families that went down to the coast, some left early because of the conditions there. I for one would never set my feet there again, closest to rediculous you can find. The previous 6 trips down to various places were also unpleasant due to piracy, theft, and other incidents.