I think she is a beauty

[dskira]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-7/1342821/Alba%20II%20Motor%20Yacht.jpg

Swedish yacht Alba

[alan white]

Fabulous.

[M-Sasha]

She is!

[daiquiri]

Sleek and elegant. Thanks for the pic. :)

[gonzo]

It is a pleasure to look at a boat designed to run well and look beautiful

[peter radclyffe]

she reminds me of a yacht i knew called herga, 90ft, i think swedish, steel

[Fanie]

Some boats just looks elegant. Nice picture

[Jenny Giles]

Nice drapes in the cabin windows.
Do they match the upholstery? :p

[Bigfishtinny]

Stunning!

[Crag Cay.]

]Nice drapes in the cabin windows.
Do they match the upholstery?

Of course.


Built in 1912, she was subsequently owned by bankers and ambassadors alike. In 1964 she was sunk by her owner and then salvaged in 1993, from a depth of 100 meters. She is now finally restored back to her former resplendent shape. After seven years of restoration, including 25,000 man-hours and attracting a lot of attention, m/y Alba was once again launched in May, 2000.

[hoytedow]

What a beaut!

[PAR]

I think it's terribly easy to make larger yachts handsome, from a technical stand point. That said, she's not hard on the eyes at all and her broken sheer line is similar to ones I've employed for many years. For some reason the water looks a touch funny, which is probably just the lighting, but it may also be a nicely built model. :rolleyes: :D

[dskira]

I think it's terribly easy to make larger yachts handsome, from a technical stand point. That said, she's not hard on the eyes at all and her broken sheer line is similar to ones I've employed for many years. For some reason the water looks a touch funny, which is probably just the lighting, but it may also be a nicely built model. :rolleyes: :D

In a way I agree with you, but right now 99% of the motor yacht her size are ugly as hell. (Feretti, Sunsiker, Princess and other monstruosity) So it is not that easy. As the brooken sheer line it started at the end of the nineteen century. And yes I also used it, like Hanna, Hand, Purdy, Cooper, Du Cane, Levis, and countless of other designer.
That said, I am glad you use the broken sheer, it always give a nice touch to the motor yacht. And the sign of a good designer :)
Cheers
Daniel

[apex1]

Swedish yacht Alba

True classic.

A shorter trip for you Usanians:http://kensington1924.tripod.com/35.jpg

http://kensington1924.tripod.com/

and another "Svensk" ..http://www.loris.a.se/ http://www.loris.a.se/charter/pics/Raketcolage.jpg

Regards
Richard

[PAR]

I think you have to compare apples to apples. In her day, how well did she stand out or account for herself? Strictly from an aesthetic view point, styling is market driven and those spending the money want Clorox bottles. I think if you look at just custom designs, where aesthetics are carefully matched to client desires, you'd see a much high ratio of "classic" lines, compared to contempory styling. Very few of my clients want an "out of the future" look to their yacht. Most use terms such as stately, dignified and timeless, often voicing a concern about not wanting her to look "dated" in a few years.

I don't think it's fair to say she's better then modern yachts of similar arrangement. I think of this much like I do cars. Yes, a 1934 Cadillac is a pretty thing, but I wouldn't want to own or drive it compared to a modern Cadillac. Sure the styling is "modern" but you also have anti-lock brakes, cruise control, A/C and air bags to replace the leather cover piece of 1934 steel I'd bang my head on in an accident, instead of the modern air bag. Yachts are the same. Yes, you can retro fit the "up grades" but then some purists would be all pissy and they're partly right.

[dskira]

I think you have to compare apples to apples. In her day, how well did she stand out or account for herself? Strictly from an aesthetic view point, styling is market driven and those spending the money want Clorox bottles. I think if you look at just custom designs, where aesthetics are carefully matched to client desires, you'd see a much high ratio of "classic" lines, compared to contempory styling. Very few of my clients want an "out of the future" look to their yacht. Most use terms such as stately, dignified and timeless, often voicing a concern about not wanting her to look "dated" in a few years.

I don't think it's fair to say she's better then modern yachts of similar arrangement. I think of this much like I do cars. Yes, a 1934 Cadillac is a pretty thing, but I wouldn't want to own or drive it compared to a modern Cadillac. Sure the styling is "modern" but you also have anti-lock brakes, cruise control, A/C and air bags to replace the leather cover piece of 1934 steel I'd bang my head on in an accident, instead of the modern air bag. Yachts are the same. Yes, you can retro fit the "up grades" but then some purists would be all pissy and they're partly right.


Par I can't say you are incorrect, yes the old Cadillac were not as good as the new one, that for sure, but old hull, very efficient hull are far better than the one we have now. The engine engineering made possible to push a shoe box the the planing stage. The hulls are going down the wrong path.
By force 6 you can't take a Ferreti, nor any overbloated crap, with a center of gravity on the radar, to take a ride safely, but yes you can take any well design smooth and efficient hull and you can go thru the worst with not pleasure (bad weather in a motor boat is always a bad experience) but more safely.
Now a modern shoe boxes need 1000 hp to push water, prewar and good design need far less power to not push water. Look at a Sunsikeer trying to speed up, it is pathetique.
The interior is so more important to sell the product on the showroom.
I am comparing apple and apple, you don't, boat are not airplane nor car.
Don't let the marketing crap taking the best of you. Battle for the good cause, efficient hulls, small engine, natural speed, no fuss, and let the gadgets were they belong, on the shelfs of Waste Marine, and the aluminum 5000 hours life span (if that) 1000 hp to the manufacturers.
I am not a old fart thinking of the good old time, I am a designer who know the difference beween crap design from a marketing corporation and efficient design by a good designer.
And as I said, a good heated discussion is part of the passion we all have for boat :p

Richard, thank you for the pictures. I love the exemples you show. Who don't :)

Thanks
Cheers
Daniel

[Tad]

I think you are talking about proper proportions, rather than comparing styling. The styling can be anything if you start off with reasonable proportions. The first picture in this thread exhibits really good proportions, but add a pilothouse where the dudes are up top......and it's all downhill.....

Whether there's a break in the sheer or not is just styling. For a long time I blamed the disappearance of breaks in the sheer on the early design software....now it owes much to the high cost of tooling. I think a break (or two!) adds distinction (differentiation?) and grace (styling) to any boat. But I don't think every boat needs a break in the sheer, or that having one will somehow make her a "classic".

An example of a modern break adding classic proportions (IMO)....

37041

And a classic break....

37043

Two breaks that work together....

37044

A modern boat incorporating classic features and style......

37045

A big break.....with a view to adding classic elegance to large motoryacht style.......I think the proportions are good for 165' boat, but the accommodation is not comparable to the current four deckers.

37046

And finally a modern boat of really classic proportions.....again the accommodation is tiny in comparison to the investment, thus it's the owner's choice what is important.

37047

[dskira]

again the accommodation is tiny in comparison to the investment, thus it's the owner's choice what is important.


I agree with you Tad, the owner choice when he knows what is want is important.
By classic I mean the hull type mostly, with the superstructure in accordances. Even with modern styling.
It is the shoe box hull with huge bluff bow to put the island double bed in the chain locker almost, which make me wounder of the sanity of the designer.
But the accommodation should (in a perfect word) follow the best shape for the use intended not the other way around as it is the trend.
I know that you don't sale without huges accommodation in a giving lenght, it is a pitty, because the result is huge engines, and finally the owner get so tired to pay thousand of dollar in fuel bill that the boat end up tied at the marina.
With a slander and correct hull, less accommodation perhaps but more sailing :)
By the way Tad, great design, I always admired your style.
I hope you don't miss Maine to much :)

Cheers
Daniel

[hoytedow]

True classic.


and another "Svensk" ..http://www.loris.a.se/ http://www.loris.a.se/charter/pics/Raketcolage.jpg

Regards
Richard

It has a certain"rumrunner" quality to it.

[wardd]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/SS_John_W_Brown.jpg

my idea of a beautiful ship

[YuriB]

This one is for sale now
http://www.shipsforsale.se/tugs/fritz/Fritz.jpg

[YuriB]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/SS_John_W_Brown.jpg

my idea of a beautiful ship

http://jonesact.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/oilrig.jpg?w=300&h=221