Which clear epoxy for teak bright work ??

[pescaloco]

Hey guys

I was wonder which low blush epoxy you like to lay down as a base for teak bright work. Reasonable price and good clarity would be ideal

Thanks

[gonzo]

In general, epoxy is a bad choice because it has little UV resistance. West makes an two part varnish that builds up fast. It is adviseable to use a marine varnish over it. These are expensive products.

[pescaloco]

Thanks Gonzo

I want to take and apply 2-3 coats of a good clear epoxy to build thickness and seal the teak then top coat with 2 coats of Uv varnish

I actually have not done teak this way but understand it works well and can really speed the process............versus 7 or 8 coats of varnish .or 10

[jmolan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw5EBMMBvRA

Try this video, mass epoxy claims to be good for what you want. I do not know I have not used it.

[apex1]

You may find this test interesting, the six "main" products in the US tested:

http://www.oneoceankayaks.com/Epoxresl.htm

Be anal on cleaning the teak surface, and apply three layers of resin and three coats of varnish!

Regards
Richard

[bntii]

The clear coating hardener from West Systems is #207. You can also use two part clear coating systems such as Bristol finish to gain a very hard UV resistant finish.

In my experience epoxies and the like are not worth the trouble for bright work. If you are building a bright composite structure like a stripped canoe its one thing, to just do exterior teak bright work I now skip the two parts.

I use the Epiphanies products and have a good service with the stuff. The 'Woodfinish' products in the line can be over coated with out sanding out to get high build fast. I usually go 4 to 6 coats, sand out, 4 more coats, sand out then finish with 2 coats of the standard Epipfanies varnish thinned properly for good flow.

Remember- everyone falls in love with epoxy when they first start working on boats, eventually they learn when to use it and when to not..

[pescaloco]

Thanks for the links and replies I really appreciate it

[rwatson]

..... Remember- everyone falls in love with epoxy when they first start working on boats, eventually they learn when to use it and when to not..

Good call bntii - the brochures make it sound so easy, but its definitely not.

[apex1]

Remember- everyone falls in love with epoxy when they first start working on boats, eventually they learn when to use it and when to not..

Well, for some reason bntii,

it DOES give some good moisture protection! I would´nt waste the money on every boat produced, if it was´nt for a good reason! So do my competitors.

And watson,
it definetively IS!

Regards
Richard

[bntii]

Now where the hell did I leave my sword....

http://www.planetvideo.com.au/blog/assets_c/2008/11/errol7-thumb-220x275.jpg

Can't argue too much- epoxy is one of the best things to come along.
Easy to use...
Perfect for everywhere one should use it..
:p

Are you undercoating the bright work on your builds with epoxy then Richard?

[apex1]

Are you undercoating the bright work on your builds with epoxy then Richard?
Yes...
All wooden surface is encapsulated, no matter if painted or varnished at the end.
And we apply three layers due to the fact that there is some sanding (after the layers are completely cured).

Then, I would like to add: if there is ANY boatbuilding material out there which one could call "easy to handle", it for sure is Epoxy resin. Though that does´nt make it the first choice in every case, of course.

And before one starts the next round Epoxy vs. Poly (the 587th issue), we produce (our range from 32 to 45meter) in poly / glass too, since 26 month now, so I have some first hand insight to compare.

Regards
Richard

[bntii]

We are in different sectors of the industry.

I do fabrication and repairs/restoration to existing vessels. No new builds.
In the work I do, field conditions do not allow encapsulation so water may be introduced to bonded sides regardless of coating used.
What I see in the field is that waterproofing is not the issue- all of the finishes do this if properly applied. What I face is degradation of the applied finish due to UV, poorly maintained boats, poor application- too little finish mostly, and water entering on the back sides/edges where bonded to boat.
All cases lead to a separation of the finish from the surface followed by wholesale failure. Epoxies in my experience do not improve this outcome.
Plenty of varnish carefully applied and maintained gives good service.

In those cases where I am building new teak bits to be bonded to boat- I also seal back surface though am unconvinced that epoxies are necessarily required for effect.

I don't have a good insight into how new builds are handled so thanks for the information.
I would be spraying topcoats if doing new builds- is this how you are handling it? Also- are you sending out boats with any of the catalyzed topcoats or using traditional??

Sort of cheating isn't it?- claiming battles won with bright work in Germany??
:idea:

[apex1]

Of course we are in two different businesses.
My recommendation was based on the assumption that we have a new structure to be built here. In that case encapsulating in Ep would make sense. In cases when you are unable to access the "backside" of the wood, Ep is a nono! It would entrap the moisture (as you know).
On our newbuild boats we are extremely keen to leave not a single square mm without proper resin saturation.
The UV degradation is a severe issue on clear varnished surface only, there we apply up to 24 layers of 2K PU, ALL UV protectant! Not only resistant!!!
This could be any conventional varnish too, but the PU stuff is much harder, and we "buff it up" in the final stage.
I have´nt seen any water intrusion in one of our older boats by so far. (as long as they were serviced and the protection stayed intact)
But sure some owners drill holes and the like and get you busy, good for you!

Regards
Richard

[bntii]

there we apply up to 24 layers of 2K PU, ALL UV protectant! Not only resistant!!!
This could be any conventional varnish too, but the PU stuff is much harder, and we "buff it up" in the final stage.


Sounds like a very high build quality. I don't know the product- will research thanks.
Spray applied?
Any photos?

[apex1]

Sounds like a very high build quality. I don't know the product- will research thanks.
Spray applied?
Any photos?

Sprayed, yes.

Look at my Gallery, you´ll see some of the smaller boats.

[bntii]

Thanks

[apex1]

Welcome.

When you look at this:http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/500/P1000843.jpg

you see why 20 and more layers! A clear mirror like brightwork.

[bntii]

Beautiful work Richard.

http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/500/V72_13.jpghttp://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/500/V72_11.jpg

Are you sealing all the interior veneer work with epoxy as well?

[G.G.]

Thanks Gonzo

I want to take and apply 2-3 coats of a good clear epoxy to build thickness and seal the teak then top coat with 2 coats of Uv varnish

I actually have not done teak this way but understand it works well and can really speed the process............versus 7 or 8 coats of varnish .or 10I have been using SMITH & CO PRODUCTS for years and mostly there clear penetrating epoxy and they also make a product just what you are looking for and there location is Richmond Ca 94804 and there phone number is 1-510-237-6842 it might be worth you while to check them out seeing that they are in Cal also , just a thought .

[apex1]

Beautiful work Richard.

Are you sealing all the interior veneer work with epoxy as well?

Thank you bntii,

yes, EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF WOOD!!! except for the teak sole and teak deck surfaces.

I have been using SMITH & CO PRODUCTS for years and mostly there clear penetrating epoxy.

The word "penetrating" is a bit of salesmens term here. The resin does not really penetrate deep, no matter which one You use.


Regards
Richard

[CaptGraham]

You may want to look at this product...

http://www.admiraltymarinecoatings.com/varnish/varnish.html

Regards, Graham