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colfar5033

10-20-2009, 01:45 AM

Morning all

Started building my kavalier k800 in mid august and so far is going well. Am very much the novice builder but am getting support from the forum and a big thank you to manie b for his help. Am hoping to complete build mid 2011 all going well. Am currently putting in about 10 hours a week but am hoping to step it up to about 20 a week. Will attach photos of build and all coments will be appreciated good or bad:p Am busy with bulkheads and have done 6 of the 15 so far and all going well should have all done by dec 2009.

cheers
colin

masalai

10-20-2009, 02:06 AM

Good to see more builders at it... Good Luck... Enjoy the process...

Here is a quick one http://www.thecoastalpassage.com/cheapcat.html

susho

10-20-2009, 02:19 PM

I like this design, I'll follow your build :D looking good, are you gonna place the frames on a building jig?

I like the cat too, been sailing F18 for almost a year, and I love multihulls(well, I also love boats in general...) I would love to see some more sporty plans of a plywood cat.

masalai

10-20-2009, 04:37 PM

Around 4 and a half tonnes for a 40 ft cat with 80sqM of sail area is pretty powerful... Look at the design specifications in the first link of my signature...

Manie B

10-21-2009, 12:14 AM

Good luck Colin and keep at it :D

colfar5033

10-22-2009, 01:07 AM

morning all

thanks for the encouragement guys and susho it will be
built on building stocks

cheers

apex1

10-22-2009, 06:01 AM

Good luck, or better, have success!

What do you mean with building stocks, I have´nt heard that?

Regards
Richard

Alik

10-22-2009, 06:31 AM

New K800 launched in Belarus, nice color! Keel and rig are not installed yet, they are just changing place to complete the construction.

http://katera.ru/uploads/monthly_10_2009/post-814-1256125166_thumb.jpg

http://katera.ru/uploads/monthly_10_2009/post-814-1256125179_thumb.jpg

Petros

10-23-2009, 12:13 AM

I love that boat. I have a question on the construction process: when you notch out the bulkheads for the stringers, how do you get the angle in the notch correct for the parts of the hull where the stringers are converging at bow and stern.

Do you just make a square notch and epoxy it in, or is there an angle specified by the plans for each location?

Alik

10-23-2009, 01:06 AM

colfar5033

10-23-2009, 01:11 AM

alik

where can i find more pictures of that yellow boat

colfar5033

10-23-2009, 01:33 AM

richard

this is what i call building stocks see picture

apex1

10-23-2009, 06:56 AM

richard

this is what i call building stocks see picture

Ahh, understand, just your word for a jig. Thanks.

Jenny Giles

11-01-2009, 05:36 PM

Love the raked back look.
She'll look beautiful at speed!

colfar5033

11-01-2009, 11:50 PM

morning all

has been a slow 2 weeks on the build had a bit of flooding at the house as we had some major rains and had to go to sun city over weekend for a 7s
tournement but am getting some more supplies today and is full steam ahead

colfar5033

11-04-2009, 11:53 PM

morning all

things are going well here in africa have cut another bulkhead and have another marked out ready to cut this afternoon .will be collecting some material for frames later this afternoon . manie we discussed that i should try and pave area that i will be building in what if i was to put some of those crusher stones down :confused: am running out of space in my garadge so are starting to hang pieces on wall

Manie B

11-05-2009, 08:02 AM

I dont like crushed stone because i walked on it for 8 years on the mine, we had an abundance of the stuff so it was everywhere.
It does work to a point and will give a "dry" surface to walk on after rain, but will drive you nuts after a while, dusty when dry.
We had these big CAT 950 loaders that constantly "fixed" our roads and pathways - still lousy.
Building your boat is going to take much longer than you plan or anticipate, and to be surrounded by a **** surface for all that time is lousy.
Rather save the money and work on a grass surface, that you mow once a week and then pave bit by bit as you have money and time.

My 2 cents :confused:

colfar5033

11-06-2009, 12:10 AM

manie

funny that you mention walking on crusher stone had the miss fortune of walking on it yesterday on one of our sites and its kak(not nice). so its back to the drawing board as area in garden is soil no grass :mad:

ajlewie

11-16-2009, 09:09 PM

Hi there Colfar, good to see you already started building the k800. Here`s another build going on in Brazil..http://www.fotolog.com/kavalier/38626850..they made their k800 hull more precisely as per plan..Happy boatbuilding dude!

colfar5033

11-17-2009, 12:36 AM

thanks ajlewie

thanks for the link. what sort of changes did you do to your boat :?:

ajlewie

11-17-2009, 01:33 AM

One of the major changes I made was the changing of the 8mm plywood bulkheads into 19mm, and then we removed the frames. But in your location, I believe pine wood is abundant. Here is not and if there were available one, they were engineered type, with finger joints and very expensive too. I was planning to use phil.mahogany for the bulkhead frames but it will make the boat much heavier so the use of 19mm marine grade plywood is more efficient IMO. I also changed the centerboard into a daggerboard with a 300kg lead ballast that can be lifted with a winch. the original centerboard design I believe does not have enough ballast to make it self righting..this boat got a tall mast and the chances of rolling or capsizing during high winds were high.I`m still planning to change it back to its original fin keel design but with a heavier fin for more ballast, still on the drawing board for that. Next modification was the boarding flatform I placed at the stern and the steering wheel but later removed and went back to tiller. How`s your build going?:)

colfar5033

11-17-2009, 01:48 AM

ajlewie

pine is easily available here in sa as well as marine ply.was thinking of doing the same with my bulkheads as it takes time to make the frames on bulkheads.
i have cut out 9 of the 15 bulkheads and have framed 5 so going well so far
and have our christmas break coming so will have 3 weeks for building. send some photos of your build if you dont mind its nice to see other boats

ajlewie

11-17-2009, 02:05 AM

yeah,,that`s very laborious but of course,that is how it was designed, do it the way it is planned. your doing a good job...if there were pine here, I`ll do the same.:) .same here,I`m planning to work on the k800 this Christmas vacation, need to repair it, repaint and change/modify the mast..I`m still busy finishing my dinghy build...speaking of the mast,what kind of mast are you going to install? I made a birds mouth mast, so heavy,no available 12.5m aluminum mast here...I will try to lessen its weight by removing the thick epoxy putty, glass and resin my painters applied on it...here`s a link where i post my build then http://pinoyboats.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=747

colfar5033

11-17-2009, 11:43 PM

ajlewie

have been looking at your build and you have done a nice job and liked the video and photos. how long did it take you to build :?: i am planing on an aluminuim maybe second hand or new depending on costs

colfar5033

02-22-2010, 01:03 AM

morning gents

have been a little quiet of late was battling to get marine ply all my normal supplyrs had none and those who had were mad with there prices. its full steam ahead again and have sorted my issue of building area out.am hoping to have bulkheads finished by end march and in building position end april :D :D .

colfar5033

03-11-2010, 11:47 PM

coming along nicely now almost a boat:D

Manie B

03-12-2010, 12:39 AM

Looking good - what glue are you using on the joints - it should be epoxy
all wood should be totally encapsulated in epoxy

colfar5033

03-12-2010, 01:03 AM

thanks manie

have got sp106 that i will use for joints and to encapsulate.
Am putting all bulkheads together and then strip and epoxy the whole thing.
hope i am doing the right thing :confused:

Manie B

03-12-2010, 11:05 AM

Am putting all bulkheads together and then strip and epoxy the whole thing.
hope i am doing the right thing

all ok - just a lot of extra work
but better to be safe than sorry on a first build if you are not 100% sure

colfar5033

03-16-2010, 03:24 AM

To true manie. have 3 of bulkheads to finish and took all others to building
area to see how it fits

colfar5033

03-23-2010, 01:11 AM

building area comimg on nicely

colfar5033

05-03-2010, 01:21 AM

Morning all

Have been rather productive of last
Got the keel back bone cut and in poition.
Am busy test fitting bulkheads in position on
the keel backbone. Only problems i have is to
find the right weather to do some epoxy work.

colfar5033

05-03-2010, 01:30 AM

oops here are the pics

Manie B

05-03-2010, 01:42 AM

good one - keep it up :D

colfar5033

06-11-2010, 01:45 AM

Morning all

all going on well here in deepest darkest africa geting ready for world cup .
making good progress on build am currently doing epoxy work and cutting
notches for stringers .quick question want to use spray gun for epoxy and if so what can i thin epoxy with if any thing:confused: :confused:

Manie B

06-11-2010, 01:54 AM

Colin epoxy must not be thinned, it weakens

so sorry - no quick fix here

colfar5033

06-11-2010, 02:11 AM

thanks manie just what i thought . checked out the forum and all say it will weaken epoxy so its back to paint brush:P :P

colfar5033

07-16-2010, 01:59 AM

Morning all

Dam have had little motivation in the last three weeks but that is a thing of the past. Got busy in garage with last bulkhead that i have been putting of but have done it now and tested fitted the shear clamps as well

cheers

colfar5033

08-02-2010, 02:38 AM

morning all

lot of progress over the weekend just cant keep up with material ordering

cheers

colfar5033

08-16-2010, 05:05 AM

greetings all

had another productive week and even got to sit on boat.

colfar5033

08-25-2010, 12:38 AM

morning gents

is there any reason why i cant fit this outboard on my boat other than its to heavy or big :?:

colfar5033

09-10-2010, 02:53 AM

greetings from africa

am really excited with build at moment as she is looking like a boat.
am currently doing about 20 hours a week . couple more photos

cheers

daiquiri

09-10-2010, 07:59 AM

Ehm... How will you pull her out of the yard?

colfar5033

09-13-2010, 12:34 AM

morning

slight problem to get her out i have 2 choices and first is to remove security
fence and carry over wall and secondly is to get a mobile crane and lift over the roof and looks like it will be the mobile crane will be a lot safer for boat

cheers

Herman

09-13-2010, 01:46 AM

colfar5033

09-13-2010, 02:11 AM

hopefully i have it under control can remove security fence but will mean i
have to go over neighbours wall and is a good chance to damage boat so will rather spend a bit of money and have peace of mind

Andy

11-19-2010, 07:06 AM

How are you getting on? More photos please! :-)

colfar5033

11-21-2010, 11:37 PM

morning all

going on very well busy with all the tringers for front berths as well as epoxy work on rest of boat. Have been battling a bit with the weather as it rained all of last week but had a good weekend lots of sunshine

cheers

Andy

02-06-2011, 11:45 AM

Looking good, and the weather looks nice too!

colfar5033

02-06-2011, 11:43 PM

Morning all

weather very confused here like rest of the world. bought 10 sheets of marine ply and 5kg epoxy all ready to work in my 25 day december holiday and the weather sucked so bad i was only able to work 3 days .have done more work now that i am back at work.:confused:

colfar5033

03-02-2011, 12:00 AM

morning all

life goes on here in africa and have been rather productive and weather gods have been smiling on us here . Have done a lot of epoxy work .would like to start a new thread on joys of building a boat while sharing building space with a dog :o:o:o:mad::mad::confused: dam it is very entetaining . if you are not standing in dog doo you are trying to get your sand paper out his kennel

Andy

03-02-2011, 03:17 AM

Looking good mate. How is the weight looking? You got an overall target? At this size 100kgs makes a big difference, so keep her light and she will get up and boogie with the kite up in not too much wind...

colfar5033

03-10-2011, 02:57 AM

morning all

Thanks andy . specs say she will come in at 1200kgs and hopefully i will come in at that only concern is we only get 9mm ply here in sa and plans call for 8mm so i rather went for slightly larger than 6mm

Andy

06-12-2011, 08:11 AM

How are you getting on? Looking forwards to seeing this boat splash...

colfar5033

07-12-2011, 01:42 AM

morning all

This dam weather in sa is really messing with my build progress am only doing small jobs and am not able to do any epoxy work but am hoping weather comes right soon:P:P:P

hoytedow

07-13-2011, 06:01 AM

Best of luck/success, colfar5033. I have been watching since October, 2009.

Arvy

07-14-2011, 05:00 AM

Not too much of a problem then.

The neighbour of my grandparents once built a boat in the attick. No way of getting it out. So he disassembled everything, and assembled everything again in the basement (which has a door to the yard, the house is sitting against a dyke). However, the door was way too small, and 2 structural columns would need to be removed, which he wanted to do, but the neighbours luckily stopped him. (the house would collapse, but as you guess this guy did not have a clue).
He then disassembled everything again, and assembled it in the garden shed. WHICH HE HAD TO KNOCK DOWN PARTIALLY TO GET THE BOAT OUT. Will this guy ever learn???

Haha totally brilliant :)

Reminds me of that story (also here in the netherlands) of this guy that built a 15 meter motor yacht, and splashed it into a small pond of water to test if it was watertight. But he couldn't get it out again, and all he could do was move the boat forward and back for a couple of meters. I believe it even made it to TV :D
The story however doesn't say if he ever managed to get the boat out.

Nurb

07-27-2011, 02:36 AM

Great project colfar.
Also watching with interest and enjoy following your progress and the photos you've posted.

hoytedow

07-27-2011, 06:41 AM

Herman reminded me of this true story:

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/aircraft/Colditz-Glider.html

colfar2

10-13-2011, 05:02 AM

I am back
Morning all
Took a while as my email at old job does not work and now am colfar 2 m
Building coming on very slow as now I have a real job and no build time in week . Thanks to all those that have been following my project it gives me inspiration to get her on the water . Will post pics soon
Cheers.

hoytedow

10-13-2011, 07:57 AM

Welcome back!

Angélique

10-13-2011, 12:23 PM

where can i find more pictures of that yellow boat

Hi Colin,

Here's a bit late response, I just started reading this thread so don't know if the answer is already given.....

The boat is in this Rusian thread (http://forum.katera.ru/index.php?/topic/10620-kavaler-800/), the pics here in post#8 (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-building/my-russian-boat-29783.html#post308962) are from post#477 (http://forum.katera.ru/index.php?/topic/10620-kavaler-800/page__st__476) there, you can click them there to enlarge.

(translation link to thread (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.katera.ru%2Findex.php%3F%2Ftopic%2F10620-kavaler-800%2F) / translation link to post#477 (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.katera.ru%2Findex.php%3F%2Ftopic%2F10620-kavaler-800%2Fpage__st__476))

http://forum.katera.ru/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=86738

Hope it gives some inspiration :)

Good luck!
Angel

Angélique

10-13-2011, 01:53 PM

It looks like Colin already know the source :cool:

Looking at post#12 (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-building/my-russian-boat-29783.html#post309164) here and post#492 (http://forum.katera.ru/index.php?/topic/10620-kavaler-800/page__st__491) in the Rusian thread I see the same spot and the same boat in a different stage . . . .

Anyway, great info here and there, that is if the translation works well :p, otherwise we still have the pictures :D

http://forum.katera.ru/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=97131 - http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-building/36460d1256275985t-my-russian-boat-dscn0903.jpg (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-building/36460d1256275985-my-russian-boat-dscn0903.jpg)

^ - from the Rusian thread post#492 - - - ----> - - - from post#12 here - (click thumb to enlarge)

Cheers,
Angel

colfar2

10-14-2011, 01:36 AM

Thanks angel
Never had the translation and every little info helps with the build.
Been busy for 28 months and it has been fantastic with a lot of swearing and sweating but through it all I can see my dream coming true. Am hoping to launch her in dec 2012 so I will need to start working every night

Cheers
Colin

colfar2

10-14-2011, 06:08 AM

A few more pics

colfar2

11-05-2011, 07:08 AM

hi there
busy with nav table today and its cooking hot here in africa wonderfull

colfar2

11-13-2011, 07:13 AM

hi all

went trout fishing in dullstroom so not much work on boat but one needs a break every now and again. :Ptell me if you think the door for heads looks like a coffin :Pmy girlfriend thinks it does

cheers

hoytedow

11-13-2011, 07:24 AM

We agree. It does resemble a coffin lid.

The boat is beautifully done, however.

colfar2

11-13-2011, 07:54 AM

Dam just what I thought but could not bring myself to see it like that:
: have since painted the centre white will send pic.
Cheers

hoytedow

11-13-2011, 07:59 AM

Bring it over here for Halloween and drape it with orange and black with black cats and pumpkins. You'll be popular, especially if the head is labeled "crypt".

https://www.google.com/search?q=black+cat+in+moonlight+images&hl=en&biw=853&bih=564&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=EMC_TrS4OqTh0QHpz-nEBA&ved=0CCsQsAQ

https://www.google.com/search?q=coffin+lid+images&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=XcC_TtumEoTg0QGN4MzEBA&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=853&bih=564&sei=Y8C_TrHJL8Hl0QHcmpXSBA

https://www.google.com/search?q=jack+o'lantern+images&hl=en&pwst=1&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=GMG_TqfNCYTm0QGq3pGwAw&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=853&bih=564&sei=HcG_TtOjK4Xq0gHC_rXoBA

colfar2

11-13-2011, 08:12 AM

thanks hoyt lol.here is pic of door not best pic but we are having a bit of an lightning storm here.the lady in pic agrees with you
cheers

hoytedow

11-13-2011, 08:17 AM

She has a beautiful smile.

She's a keeper.

colfar2

11-13-2011, 08:27 AM

thanks hoyt i think so as well .was instructed to send this pic

colfar2

11-19-2011, 09:37 AM

hi all

got a bit of rain yesterday but still hot as hell and so hot to work on boat but not complaining. Have an idea for my motor on boat am going to use a 6 kva genset with a 1.1kw motor controlled by a varaible speed drive. This will eliminate the use of a gearbox and will have forward and reverse on drive.Main concerns are will speed drive handle the sea conditions ie moisture?:confused:

colfar2

11-21-2011, 08:04 AM

well well

dam motor cars :P.Got to have a day of because the renault megane that does not have a key but a key card decided to give up the goast and then to be told we can get one in 21 days from france :(that was a shock but on the up side i got to work on boat and found someone local who will come to my house and supply me a new card and code it for 1700 ZAR against 1500 ZAR from france but 21 day wait .will stop moaning now and have a smoke and glass wine;).

cheers
colin

colfar2

12-31-2011, 09:28 AM

well well

almost that time of the year a new year tomorrow. wish all members and family a fantastic new year. have been on leave since the 23 dec and not much boat building but have relaxed nicely so far. went fishing for 3 days and yesterday launched a friends yacht at the vaal river:D .it took us from 07h00 to 20h00 to launch boat and step the mast and get back home.was a really amazing day as i learnt many valuable lessons that i will use on my boat the major one is to be well organised .am hoping to get some good build work done in next week and cant wait

cheers
colin

Schoonner

01-11-2012, 07:09 PM

So, hows the boat coming? Was looking really great. When do you plan to have her splash?:?:

colfar2

01-16-2012, 04:03 AM

Hi alll
Schooner boat coming on niecly just been a lot of rain and family commitment but will get there. Have commited my self to completing boat by 15 Dec 2012 and that means I will need to work 2 hours a night and 10 on weekend that will give me 80 hours a month . My main issues are the mast and the keel but recon I have them under control . Am currently fiberglasing the cokpit and making an Ice box plus lots of little jobs. Will post some pics later today.
Cheers

Schoonner

01-16-2012, 04:52 AM

Have you figured out what keel you are going to use?

colfar2

01-16-2012, 05:15 AM

Schooner
It will have a lifting keel with 450kgs of weight . Have the plans for it u

Schoonner

01-16-2012, 11:15 AM

cool. I'm making a model because I can't make a real one. It will have a fixed bulb keel about the equivalent of 350kgs.

colfar2

01-18-2012, 05:13 AM

Fantastic how about a few pictures

Schoonner

01-18-2012, 06:19 AM

Fantastic how about a few pictures

How about a LOT of pictures. :D

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/sailboats/k800-41003.html

colfar2

01-18-2012, 06:50 AM

Will definitely put a whole lot today when I get home

Schoonner

01-18-2012, 10:59 AM

Will definitely put a whole lot today when I get home

No, I mean here is a link for a lot of pictures.---> http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/sailboats/k800-41003.html

colfar2

01-19-2012, 12:19 AM

Oooooops$ sorry schooner bit slow here in Africa and thanks for the link

colfar2

01-19-2012, 12:45 AM

Schooner must say you really did your homework with your model good on you :D

Schoonner

01-19-2012, 12:46 AM

Schooner must say you really did your homework with your model good on you :D

Thanks =0)

colfar2

01-24-2012, 01:55 AM

yet another week has gone by with very little progress due to shitty weather ,family Commitments .standby at work all of which are really testing my patience but through all the hicups this week I managed to sort out a tent for over cockpit area That was a major problem every time it rained I had a whole lot of water on the covers that took time to get of before I could start any work :(:(

colfar2

01-26-2012, 12:58 AM

Morning all
Thought I was quite the photographer last night took some pics with my new blackberry
Cheers

colfar2

01-26-2012, 01:02 AM

More pics

colfar2

01-28-2012, 07:48 AM

Greetings
Well the weekend is here and got a bit of work done today bit of sandin and some cleaning . Hoping to do some fiberglasing tomorrow all dependant on weather
:mad:

Schoonner

01-28-2012, 09:34 PM

Greetings
Well the weekend is here and got a bit of work done today bit of sandin and some cleaning . Hoping to do some fiberglasing tomorrow all dependant on weather
:mad:

I could turn all your pictures right side up and post as many as I can in one post if you would like that. I just got Windows 7 again because the CD Key was found and it is easy there with Windows 7. :)