At it again (or still)

[lewisboats]

http://angelfire.com/ego/lewisboatworks/Stuff/One.JPG

http://angelfire.com/ego/lewisboatworks/Stuff/Two.JPG

http://angelfire.com/ego/lewisboatworks/Stuff/Three.JPG

Looks like he's still trying to make a buck on Martijn's talents. Only 47.95 (regularly 99.95!)

Oh...and it looks like there are a few of Monk's books available ;)

[Martijn_vE]

Sigh.......:(

[lewisboats]

I just sent Amazon an email detailing what I found...maybe they will dump his A$$. It might be satisfying if you did the same...

[apex1]

Thanks for the hint Steve!

I wonder about the 191 design professionals. Did he sell 191 versions? And what is a ,080 professional, thats only 8%, is the rest of that person unprofessional?

[lewisboats]

i bet you are joking but if not...191 Thousand and 80 professionals

[apex1]

Hmm, thats too much for a stolen product, is´nt it?
abd of course I was joking.......

[lewisboats]

Sorry...you never know when dealing with language barriers and how things get kind of twisted around.

This (almost) instant communication halfway around the world can make for some interesting faux pas

[apex1]

Sorry...you never know when dealing with language barriers and how things get kind of twisted around.

This (almost) instant communication halfway around the world can make for some interesting faux pas

You´re quite right! Sometimes it´s difficult to transport humor through the wire too. But in this case I could´nt resist. All the world uses the , to divide the full number from fractions except the US. So, in Europe we understand he has sold 191 and a fraction of ,080.:D even that is already too much.............

[lewisboats]

Way too much! I got used to the comma when I lived in Canada but I have been away so long that it looks a bit strange to me...so I am a little sensitive to the possible misinterpretation. Jokes on me I guess:eek:

[boat fan]

Thanks for the hint Steve!

I wonder about the 191 design professionals. Did he sell 191 versions? And what is a ,080 professional, thats only 8%, is the rest of that person unprofessional?



:D :D :D sooooooo...........how can he actually get away with this ?

[apex1]

Do´nt know. Would it help if many of us protest at Amazon?

[boat fan]

I just sent Amazon an email detailing what I found...maybe they will dump his A$$. It might be satisfying if you did the same...

Would like to ..but....

Could not find it on amazon Steven....have you got the actual link ...?

I don`t like parasites like this ..

I`m reluctant to send Amazon a warning about pirate products on their site without actually being able to show them so ......

Can you post me the actual link please ?

Would it help if many of us protest at Amazon?


I think yes Apex...Amazon should be concerned at keeping a " clean " reputation ......not a "pirate bazaar" :D :D :D ?

[lewisboats]

You have to log in to get to the contact us info. go to the help section (top right) and I clicked on Phishing emails (down the list on the left) then saw the contact us button over on the right

Oh...and the link...just to a search for Edwin Monk or look at the top of the first picture...do a search for the same string...How to build wooden boats etc.

[boat fan]

I got in touch with that pirate outfit suggesting they should stop making profit off other people`s efforts.....


This is their lame response :


Our customer support team personnel has replied to your support request #831498

Hi,

Please have a look at:

If I use a piece of software that has been obtained under the GNU GPL, am I allowed to modify the original code into a new program, then distribute and sell that new program commercially?

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/license...PLCommercially

This is an opensource product sold legally within the terms of the license agreement.

Make sure you secure your copy of 3D Boat Design and you can be designing the boat of your dreams in only 5 minutes time!

http://www.3dboatdesign.com/shop/

If there is any thing else we can help you with please let us know

Jack Fisher and the 3D Boat Design Team

http://www.3dboatdesign.com/shop/

We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions. If not, please do not send another email. Instead, reply to this email or login to your account for a complete archive of all your support request and responses.


I like the " Jack Fisher and the 3D Boat Design Team " bit

As if THEY were in any way to be credited with Freeship !!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

[hoytedow]

Thanks for the hint Steve!

I wonder about the 191 design professionals. Did he sell 191 versions? And what is a ,080 professional, thats only 8%, is the rest of that person unprofessional?

In U.S. 191,080 is one hundred ninety one thousand and 80.

191.(point)080 is how we do decimals here.

Never mind. Already been corrected by Lewisboats and I didn't see it.

[lewisboats]

Martijn went rounds with them before...they never could show what code they added to the program to let them start charging for it.

[Martijn_vE]

Martijn went rounds with them before...they never could show what code they added to the program to let them start charging for it.
I've got the code right here. Nothing has changed except for the name, startup logo and the fact that all references to the GPL license are stripped from the code.

Any of you guys interested?
Special sale this week only $25 :D

[Tim B]

Just to pick up on this discussion as a Software Engineer (both professional and Open-Source), this an issue that the community should be very aware of.

If you are developing software for distribution (free or proprietary) then the license agreement is a pretty important document. It is what gives you the legal right to prosecute for a breach of license, which may include unauthorised reselling, or, as in this case, outright theft.

The GPL is an interesting case of the license agreement:

It allows selling of verbatim and modified copies in source or object form. HOWEVER, it is very clear that VERBATIM means unmodified in any way. MODIFIED copies are covered by GPLv3 Section 5, which in essence says you may distribute a modified copy as long as it is clear that you have done so, and it is clear how you have modified it.

Modifying code to pass it off as your own is not only a despicable act in itself, but is to assume the Intellectual Property Rights to the code (which may have IPR from several developers). This is theft and is an offence (at least under UK Law).

I seriously hope that this gets sorted, because it is exactly what Open-Source software doesn't need. What hope is there for new developers if they see OS work being stolen for someone else's profit. It is not just down to the developers, but also the community to help prevent this.

Tim B.

[Andy]

I suggest taking this tosser to court. Some people are unbelievable.

[boat fan]

I suggest taking this tosser to court. Some people are unbelievable.

Yes !!!!

[Jenny Giles]

Modifying code to pass it off as your own is not only a despicable act in itself, but is to assume the Intellectual Property Rights to the code (which may have IPR from several developers). This is theft and is an offence (at least under UK Law).

I seriously hope that this gets sorted, because it is exactly what Open-Source software doesn't need. What hope is there for new developers if they see OS work being stolen for someone else's profit. It is not just down to the developers, but also the community to help prevent this.


I agree with your sentiments, Tim, but it is not always realistic to take the offenders to court.

Firstly, there is the financial cost to consider.

Secondly, it can take a lot of time and effort to bring actions against people who might are not always easy to track down. What chance of success is there if the miscreants are using servers in Uzbekistan?

[Martijn_vE]

I happen to know his name and address, but that doesn't solve anything.
The GPL licennse allows anyone to modify open-source code and sell it for "a reasonable" fee.

Anyone with a bit of common sense can see right through his actions.
But legally it's a totally different matter, and it comes roughly down to the following questions:

1. To what extents has the code been modified.
Well, in this particular case the mode has been modified (the startup screen has been modified), but no functionality has been added or modified.
My personal opinion is that the latter is an important criterion.

2. What is a"reasonable" fee.
5$ is reasonable. 500$ clearly not.
Inbetween those values there is a gray area.

And yes, the effort and costs of taking this to court are going to be considerably.
Especially if one bears in mind that the original software is supposed to be avaliable for free.
This means that , apart from being right, there's nothing to be gained from a trial.

[lewisboats]

SSSSSatifaction.......Ha!ha!ha!ha! (you have to imagine the vindictive tone there)

Seriously...It sure wouldn't be worth the money or the effort to go cross country borders unless you had more money than sense. If that is the case though...Martijn...Adopt me!

[Martijn_vE]

If that is the case though...Martijn...Adopt me!

You sure rank high on the list Steve.:D
But seriously, I think it's better to focus my time (and money) on improving DELFTship rather than on a program I stopped developing 3 years ago.

[lewisboats]

Too True. BTW...how much are the add-ons to DelftShip? Looking for the heeled info here but I think I need the add-on but I couldn't seem to find a pricing schedule

[Martijn_vE]

I'll send you the price list by P.M.
But bear in mind that most of the extensions are aimed at professional designers involved in designing (merchant) ships rather than boats.

[hoytedow]

Hello.

[alidesigner]

He is selling this though clickbank.com

They cliam to have strict polices and standards. You might have a better chance by complaining to them.

[lewisboats]

One more time...check out the thread...: http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/design-software/best-marine-design-software-hull-modeling-2010-a-31058-4.html


And there is even a Norwich in New York...same State our irlandes1 listed as home.