Classic Sailing Boat Plans wanted. [Archive]

classicboat

10-07-2009, 05:34 AM

Hello All, I'm looking for plans of some nice 18m long (about 60ft) sailing bout constructed in years 1930-1955. I want the hull made of wood.

Well I don't want boat but I want to get or buy plans for it. Could You give me some clues, where can I found some good classic boats for sea sailing ?

And also Hello from Poland!

boat fan

10-07-2009, 07:48 AM

http://www.classic-yacht-design.com/1intro/bateaux.html

Designer Nigel Irens :

http://fusionschooner.blogspot.com/

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nigelirens.com%2F&ei=84DMSqbRKpKQsgOd2r2KAQ&usg=AFQjCNGMQDkIcFIRgyy9SEtQOrd6w8OaNw&sig2=BBLf48cQ9Fi1TFbwm-3c9Q

Michael Kasten :
http://www.kastenmarine.com/sail.htm

Daniel Skira :

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=6&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skirayachtdesign.com%2F&ei=h4HMSt6HMYyysgP3svyQAQ&usg=AFQjCNEFmxol17Hr7bt3M9snXvMJvkP-mA&sig2=62rUGjE7IGK1qgbZyJs6HA

gonzo

10-07-2009, 08:06 AM

http://library.mysticseaport.org/manuscripts/coll/spcoll038.cfm
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Sensible-Cruising-Designs/L-Francis-Herreshoff/e/9780877422983
http://www.amazon.com/American-Fishing-Schooners-1825-1935/dp/039303755X

apex1

10-07-2009, 11:52 AM

DO´nt forget:
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/

classicboat

10-07-2009, 11:55 AM

Well, thanx for help, I'm just looking aroud what they Got interesting. I will give some thinking, and write here if help needed :)

classicboat

10-07-2009, 12:10 PM

Well I'm hoping to get something more like J-Class look. I'm wondering to build this:

52' Fast Cruiser DORADE or 53' Auxiliary Cutter SONNY
http://www.sparkmanstephens.com/yachtdesign/sailyachts/classic_designs.php

Could You give me some more info's about this kind of look to 60-65ft long Yachts wyth hull made of wood.

apex1

10-07-2009, 12:38 PM

I doubt there are plans for such Yachts like Dorade on the market. Who should build them? These boats are so far beyond a Amateurs capability, no NA will just draw plans.!!??

classicboat

10-07-2009, 01:05 PM

PAR

10-07-2009, 01:06 PM

The plans you desire, for the exact boats you want, are available from the designers. They recently did a refreshed version of Dorade and I'm sure they'd welcome more interest from you. Contact S&S directly.

classicboat

10-07-2009, 01:36 PM

I wrote to them and waiting for the answer nad looking for another designs too. :)

Gilbert

10-09-2009, 01:25 AM

For years I heard stories about what a great racing boat Dorade was. All these reports were very flattering.
Then a few years ago I was reading an interview of Olin Stephens where he was asked why they didn't use the Dorade as basis for subsequent boats. He answered that Dorade was a heavy roller and they didn't want to repeat that feature in other boats. If you hang around long enough, sometimes you get the straight story.
If they have freshened up Dorade let's hope they left that feature out????

Crag Cay.

10-09-2009, 04:05 AM

That's good advice. It's sometimes heresy to say it, but not all 'classic' designs were that classic. Even 'working boat designs' that evolved over aeons, often did so in response to very particular needs that don't always translate well to a yacht. If you're not recovering heavy pots and dredges, why would you have the low freeboard of an oyster smack?

Also, some of the racing yacht designs were as 'revolutionary' in their day as some of the maligned race boats are today. My grandfather sailed these things professionally in the first half of the 20th century and was glad to see the back of many of them when paid off.

If it's the style and feel of them you like, then look for a designer who has captured this into a design which encompasses everything we know today. In the size you're looking for, I think I would give Ed Burnett a call. http://www.burnettyachtdesign.co.uk/index.html

classicboat

10-10-2009, 07:05 AM

I looked at Ed Burnett design's and it's not the line I wanted to build.

classicboat

10-10-2009, 07:16 PM

Well I still can't find any thing interesting. Maby some 12-14m sloop plans You could send me to some designer that has made ??

PAR

10-10-2009, 09:48 PM

This about the lamest excuse I've ever heard, Classicboat. Frankly, if you can't find something off the boards of S&S or one of the many design firms in the world, then you just are plain not looking. I can think of a few dozen design houses with wonderful, universal rule, CCA, meter boats, etc. all with the "classic" lines admired by everyone. If you're not finding them, you're not looking.

So what is the real reason you're not having success? The cost of plans?http://sparkman.securesites.net/yachtdesign/sailyachts/2721/Brooklin_56_SP_large.jpg
Introducing Anna, fresh off the boards at S&S and Stormy Weather's reincarnation.

http://www.sparkmanstephens.com/yachtdesign/sailyachts/7/dorade_photo.jpg
Yacht like this have plans, that are still available, so what is your excuse Classicboat?

apex1

10-11-2009, 05:58 AM

Well I don't know if there are some plans but I hope so, or I will find someone who will made the plans for me of this kind of boat. The price of boat that look's near the same, I foud about 195,000 pound's and it's about 300,000 or 400,000$ so the price is ok for that kind of boat for me.
I just started, to maiking preparation's for building bout. We'we got about 80ft long and 45ft wide place for building, and about 120,000$ for hull. Rest will come in some time. Now I need the blueprint's of boat that I wrote here.

Could You give me some more info's about this kind of look to 60-65ft long Yachts wyth hull made of wood.

whats that for a nonsense? who makes a 60-65 wooden classic for 300.000$? You have forgotten the "2" in front of that figure!
And Burnett or Sparman & Stephens are not that classic, you look for? But "Dorade" was?
I´ll tell you what, finish school and sort your dreams.............

classicboat

10-12-2009, 09:41 PM

Maby this S&S design is right for me. Well, I was seeing my boat builder, and 300,000$ for 60ft hull is all I need. I will pay about 300,000$ for only hull. And about the designers, I wrote to some designers but I didn't got my answer about plans and that's my exciuse.

I don't know what are the cost's of building boat's in US or UK, but las time we made a 13m long wooden-epoxy sloop we paid about 150,000$ for whole boat. My company, had sold about 30 bigger then 10m boat's in 6 year's and the most expensive was a bruceo class (steel hull).

And, if You want to pay 2,5mln us $ for 20m 60-70ft shooner, is Your's choice that You want to throw your's money away. My boat is my dream, that I'm starting to change to reality...

bertho

10-13-2009, 05:16 AM

hi classicyacht..
just a short one regarding cost.... for the hull only , 300.k usd , is ok..(don't forgot to look cost for ballast, lead is like gold price in some place.!!:mad: .) don't forgot than hull is around 25 to 30% of the whole boat, in terme of cost and time , but look like if you have already a boat!! :D
if we talk about proper standard quality boat of course...
when you start to look all internal finishing in time, and for rigging, custom casting, fitting, pumps, sail, engine, systems, electric, deck stuff and so and so,, it's look one small items each time , but you have thousand of them.. of scourse you can do simple, is enven more expensive!!! but best wish for your project, i'm the guy in the philippines building now a 50' schooner on nigel irens desing.. i like fast classic:cool: ..
here i save on the labour, what is almost 50% of the cost, and paid more for almost all other items!! excepted wood..
all the best..
bertho
www.fusionschooner.blogspot.com

apex1

10-13-2009, 06:12 AM

The price of boat that look's near the same, I foud about 195,000 pound's and it's about 300,000 or 400,000$ so the price is ok for that kind of boat for me.
and
Well, I was seeing my boat builder, and 300,000$ for 60ft hull is all I need. I will pay about 300,000$ for only hull.

Thats quite a bit of difference yes?

And nobody likes to pay 2,3 million $ for a 65´ boat. But when we are talking "classic wooden build", we are talking experts, shipwrights, boatbuilders! Not backyard or substandard building. And experts cost some money (when you can get them). Then we are in that ballpark, like it or not.
When we are talking "classic looks" you may be able to hammer the sampan together at 1 mio$.

I don't know what are the cost's of building boat's in US or UK, but las time we made a 13m long wooden-epoxy sloop we paid about 150,000$ for whole boat

Of course that was possible in Poland (is´nt any longer), but what has that to do with a all wooden classic boat like "Dorade" ?

classicboat

10-13-2009, 10:41 AM

Well the Dorade is bigger than 13m, but the company stay's the same. I'w got the chemicals, paints for free, i'm paying about 20% of market price of sails, the hull is made for good 200-300 year's old wood and for deck, I also pay 20-30% of market price.

The electronics, pumps and engine is already in my workshop. I'v got a lot of friend's in Yacht building companies in Poland, so usualy I got 50% off price. So I won't pay more than 600,000$ for whole boat.

The only problem is, that I can't deside what boat I would like to build, and that's why I'm waiting for suggestion's of good classic designs I could buy.

classicboat

10-13-2009, 10:51 AM

And of course, I want to spend next 10 year's buidling this boat... I want to sail around the world in 15 year's from now, and live on my boat all the time. I will sell all I'v got and spend the rest of my life wyth my wife on sea.

But I need 15+ year's till my children finish school and colege. Then I will be free to go around the world, for rest of my life :)

I'm not the milionare but I've got some money for my dream. That's why I asked here for help.

PAR

10-13-2009, 03:42 PM

The bottom line Classiboat, is you need to hire a designer or pay for one of the classics. The cost of the design is a small fraction of the total cost of the build, so short sheeting on this aspect isn't a wise investment.

You may wish to start here, http://www.boatdesign.net/Directory/Designers/