Small Motor sailer

[dskira]

I realy enjoy motorsailer, because I thing you have the best of the two world, whan properly designed.
The only thing I find difficult, is on a very small one the pilot house is small, stuffy, and can be clostrophobic at time. The lack of deck space is also difficult, when you have good weather, in the very small one you ave no comfortable space outside due to the proeminent superstructures.
What do you think, perhaps somebody will have different idea or experiences about that.
Cheers
Daniel

[hoytedow]

It sounds like a good boat to get where you are going, which is the point anyway. Think of it like an automobile, which can be claustrophobic, and lacking in deck space. Thank God for rest stops, which are lacking on the waterways.

[dskira]

It sounds like a good boat to get where you are going, which is the point anyway. Think of it like an automobile, which can be claustrophobic, and lacking in deck space. Thank God for rest stops, which are lacking on the waterways.

You get a good point about the traveling. In bad weather you are nice an toasty.
What do you think will be the smallest possible, with a full headroom pilothouse?
I should ask also this question to Guillermo, he is the one who has a vaste knoweldge on motorsailer.
Don't take it badly, I do not mean you don't have knoweldge.
Cheers
Daniel

[hoytedow]

Guillermo would be the better choice, since all my knowledge is small open boats only.

[apex1]

You get a good point about the traveling. In bad weather you are nice an toasty.
What do you think will be the smallest possible, with a full headroom pilothouse?
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Sure not the smallest, but maybe the best looking are the Fisher 32 and her siblings. here a 32
http://209.51.145.59/ad_img/3/6/1/2/4/0_2.jpg
and a 30
http://www.motor-sailers-online.co.uk/kyle%20rhea%20-%20ken%20meenaghan/bigimage_kyle%20rhea.jpg

owners club (http://www.fisherowners.co.uk/)
for sale (http://boatpoint.ninemsn.com.au/boats-for-sale/details.aspx?R=2421595)
sold (http://www.quaysbrokerage.com.au/ed.php?de=36124)

Regards
Richard

[dskira]

Sure not the smallest, but maybe the best looking are the Fisher 32 and her siblings.
http://209.51.145.59/ad_img/3/6/1/2/4/0_2.jpg


owners club (http://www.fisherowners.co.uk/)
for sale (http://boatpoint.ninemsn.com.au/boats-for-sale/details.aspx?R=2421595)
sold (http://www.quaysbrokerage.com.au/ed.php?de=36124)

Regards
Richard
I agree with you for the Fisher, no doubt about that. We have some around here and the size seams to be right at 32', and they looks very purposeful and well built.
I started this comment because during the summer I went on a very small home made motorsailer, and the rain started, we went inside the pilothouse and it was to suffy. I went outside, finding I was better off under the rain than inside.
Sometime the superstructures take all the space, living a 12" or less side deck and a ridiculus foredeck.
Cheers
Daniel

[apex1]

I agree with you for the Fisher, no doubt about that. We have some around here and the size seams to be right at 32', and they looks very purposeful and well built.
Daniel

They made them with a flush deck for commercial fishing, so I guess they are well built.
Richard

here they are in full again:

[dskira]

They made them with a flush deck for commercial fishing, so I guess they are well built.
Richard

I didn't know that, at the matter of fact I thought they didn't build them anymore. well I was wrong. Glad for them they still in business.
Flush deck must be interresting.
Cheers
Daniel

[apex1]

I´m not sure if they build them again, but the original builder was out of business several years ago.
Richard

[souljour2000]

As I learn that completely watertight pilot house, aft cabin , or other watertight superstructure can add huge amounts of bouyancy to a knockdown or turtle situation...I am more and more enamored of these types of boats...At anchor and with good windows that can be also opened..there should be many ways to get a good breezeflow thru the cabin in question. However, here in South Florida I think that biminis are unquestionably the way to go...it's just too damn hot unless you have an air conditioner like PAR said.

[dskira]

A good contestant to be built of steel
Cheers
Daniel

http://www.motor-sailers-online.co.uk/kyle%20rhea%20-%20ken%20meenaghan/bigimage_kyle%20rhea.jpg

[FAST FRED]

Sea Gypsy is our version of a 90/90.

33.3LOA 28LWL 17,000 disp,,4.3 draft, 737 SQ Ft in working sails 7,000lb ballast.Full keel.

Cutter rig , as used on Myth of Malham.Fully battened main , Sweedish main, (big trisail) as storm main

200G fuel OR water ( choice in 35 gal increments), Volvo MD3B , 6.5K at .75 GPH . 19x13 wide 2 blade locks behind deadwood

Central heat with thermosyphon water radiators (no electric used ), double gymboled stove athwart ships , cold plate refrigeration (2 hours every 3rd day) and Concordia bunks in great aft cabin.Sleeps 4 feeds 8.

Hull design is Maurice Griffiths , construction in Airex with Fire Retardant resin (before the pox) and 4 compartment water tight subdivision. USCG approved construction for charter , over 6 .

FF

[quilbilly]

Here is mine, pretty small, 27 foot by 8.5 feet wide. It is trailerable. The picture is from our recent trip to Glacier Bay- Todd Miller

[dskira]

Here is mine, pretty small, 27 foot by 8.5 feet wide. It is trailerable. The picture is from our recent trip to Glacier Bay- Todd Miller

It is a nice boat. You seams well dress, must have been cold. Some kind of heating inside?
Cheers
Daniel

[alan white]

Sea Gypsy is our version of a 90/90.

33.3LOA 28LWL 17,000 disp,,4.3 draft, 737 SQ Ft in working sails 7,000lb ballast.Full keel.

Cutter rig , as used on Myth of Malham.Fully battened main , Sweedish main, (big trisail) as storm main

200G fuel OR water ( choice in 35 gal increments), Volvo MD3B , 6.5K at .75 GPH . 19x13 wide 2 blade locks behind deadwood

Central heat with thermosyphon water radiators (no electric used ), double gymboled stove athwart ships , cold plate refrigeration (2 hours every 3rd day) and Concordia bunks in great aft cabin.Sleeps 4 feeds 8.

Hull design is Maurice Griffiths , construction in Airex with Fire Retardant resin (before the pox) and 4 compartment water tight subdivision. USCG approved construction for charter , over 6 .

FF

Nice boat, Fred. Good photo too.

[FAST FRED]

Thanks ,

I will post a later photo as we added a large rub rail that adds to the looks , but really adds to reducing the effort docking or locking.

Yes,
I was unhappy about the weight 3 or 4 lbs a running ft of material, as well as the required aluminum buried in the rub rail , but in service the ability to come alongside a pier or piling , (with so much tymblehome ), has been worth it.

No more fenders and fender board drills.

FF

[peter radclyffe]

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy195/helpME7/img024.jpg
heres a 26ft mfv/yacht hull i designed & built which was featured in Designs for Wooden Boatbuilding 1990 by iain oughtred

[RHP]

Gents I've become totally smitten by the Fjord 33 MS (example below). She carries a standard 613 sqft of sail however is a portly 15,000lbs displacement making her heavy (but a lot lighter than the 25,000lbs Fisher 34). She still errs on the sail side of the motorsailor description with relatively fine lines. She'd be a wonderful cruiser round the Baltics, Scandanavia, Greenland etc.. and at 33' she's a very realistic size, not too big, not too small. Being from the early 70's they're also reasonably priced compared to todays modern offerings. She's also darn good looking and business like. There are a few for sale on Yachtworld.com. If only I could give the wife and kids the slip....

(Note the pic shows a non standard tall rig + bowsprit)