Nordhavn

[whoosh]

the old thread was over 400 days old so one can not reply
I just discovered Nordhavn
And I am bloody impressed, like really seriously impressed
I,m studying the 40 right now All I can say is the designer created one hell of a HANSOME craft
I am pretty committed right now but I would love to build something along those lines
http://www.nauticexpo.com/scripts/IDPHeader.php?s=20561&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nordhavn.com%2F40%2Foverview.php4&IDVisite=101810&MotCle=&RefCat=&IDProduit=103646&IDProdSource=&SourceType=Produit
ERIC YOU DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

[Tanton]

900 Miles from North Pole.
http://wwww.bravingit.com

[whoosh]

By what Stuart? By the hughe amount of money some companies (must) spend for marketing? Money paid by the customer of course!

not at all, its very hansome does the job, I would just copy the concept
Hard to make a good looking 40, but look at their big boats, you could do a lot worse than modelling yours on those
Resale is all, if you design build an ugly boat, then she will realise an ugly resale price
I f I were you, I would PAY to have a class act design your boat, like xarax, or------, nope I seriously would!

[apex1]

not at all, its very hansome does the job, I would just copy the concept
Hard to make a good looking 40, but look at their big boats, you could do a lot worse than modelling yours on those
Resale is all, if you design build an ugly boat, then she will realise an ugly resale price
I f I were you, I would PAY to have a class act design your boat, like xarax, or------, nope I seriously would!

Stu you really do´nt know anything about MY boat, nor do you know who is my NA in that case. So how do you judge?
And resale is absolutely nothing when I do me a boat! Thats not even on the list.
How nice or attractive a boat is cannot be valued by just one person only, you know. And imho Nordhavn´s are amongst the most ugly boats on the market.:D

The sketch btw, I sent you long ago was a George Buehler design, not mine!

Regards
Richard

[whoosh]

Yes Stuart I know. Having xarax as a designer............well, sound advice.

i deleted my comments, in this thread you should too, it was supposed to be abt Nordhavn

[whoosh]

clearly you can see where the word trawler yacht fits, if you look at the real Atlantic and Icelandic fishing trawlers, this one is similar, in that the further the heel the bigger the water plane

[Mastadon]

I feel ya whoosh, I find Nordhavn to be the most eye pleasing of trawlers. Would love to find a design similar to that 76' in the photo you posted. However, wouldn't an alloy hull be more suited to a 'go anywhere' trawler instead of fiberglass?

[whoosh]

I feel ya whoosh, I find Nordhavn to be the most eye pleasing of trawlers. Would love to find a design similar to that 76' in the photo you posted. However, wouldn't an alloy hull be more suited to a 'go anywhere' trawler instead of fiberglass?

well my specialisation is Al al, But I can see how this works for them, they just build the hull ultra thick, and they use a very good NA
In fact I was told by a man who has had 5 boats done in China, that you have to be careful or else they just keep adding glass and cloth, ok for the trawler, but his are faster type power
Also production al al is not so cost effective, each one a new one so to speak?
cheers
I looked for used ones for sale and they really hold the price, few brands do, a real investment, that is important for owners and the company, I would strive for that if I were to have my time again

[FAST FRED]

"Also production al al is not so cost effective, each one a new one so to speak?"


Sorta depends , with GRP cookies being marked up 50% and more for importers, sales dept and huge advertising budgets (HOW many magazines at $10,000 a page?) , A custom aluminum boat begins to look cheap.


The only difficulty is a resale time when the million dollars of Hype gets the GRP cookies more lookieloos.

But you only need ONE customer , not a string of them.

FF

[whoosh]

very true Fred indeedy

Plus I have no (front office) flash gals to pay

[apex1]

Sorta depends , with GRP cookies being marked up 50% and more for importers, sales dept and huge advertising budgets (HOW many magazines at $10,000 a page?) , A custom aluminum boat begins to look cheap.
FF

Yes, dàccord!

Stu lookup these to find some inspiration:


http://www.kastenmarine.com/voyager52.htm
http://www.kastenmarine.com/ocean_runner.htm

find some more sensible vessels than the plastic crap.
Richard

[Paul Kotzebue]

Does anyone know if any of the Nordhavn models are CE certified Category A?

[whoosh]

to RICHARD
Kaasten I know of, nice, in fact two guys that used work for me, whom I consider the very top class of metal builders(not my doing) built a schooner of his Bos And Carr from NZ

Paul if any were sold into Eu they would have been that class I,ll find out
Stu

[apex1]

Does anyone know if any of the Nordhavn models are CE certified Category A?

No, they are´nt.

[Paul Kotzebue]

Thanks for the update.

The Nordhavn's look real shippy and have a great PR campaign behind them. I wonder why they won't (or can't) meet the only real safety standard for small (under 24m) offshore yachts ......

A few years ago I was working at Jack Sarin's office on Bainbridge Island. Jack designed a 72 ft boat along the lines of the larger Nordhavns, but beamier. We tank tested the hull to optimize the bulb. The structure was designed to meet the ABS rules for motor yachts, and the hull to meet MCA stability standards. I don't think the boat was ever built, which is a shame because it was a nice design.

I've never heard of a Nordhavn meeting any classification society or safety standards.

[apex1]

I've never heard of a Nordhavn meeting any classification society or safety standards.

They do´nt need! They afford the best marketing (for the most ugliest boats imho).
And they sell it where it belongs: the US market.....................

Each and every of the NA´s around here, and each and every of the professional boatbuilders could tell you, that a custom made Passagemaker of the same spec.s would cost about 50% of those "yoghurt cups" and they would be built to class standards! look:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/metal-boat-building/offer-true-go-anywhere-trawler-build-side-side-28678.html
Regards
Richard

[whoosh]

maybe Most think they are hansome
if I had that sort of money I would be asking for cert this cert that
i guess Nordhaven have their own quality control over there
but you get people buying yachts because the curtains are pretty,
I myself like them, especially the range and cost of motoring
underwater shapes are good They look safe and probably are safe
i Know how hard it is to break into the USA market
boatbuilding is not all just boatbuilding!

[apex1]

just the recently posted poilteness of whoooooosh....


i cant rememebr all i say, or where, I am really polite to you, try it:))
works well


\Par you have sleep prob, and when you are up late, you drink my boy, still, there ya go , 4pm to 6pm is wine o, clock for me, off pc by 1800 at the very latest

ad zilch GUTS? you have not even the guts to show your name as we all do
chickenshit? youa re the full elephant shit, the ult B/S
so take that
We all have names gallerys posts, we are proud of what we do, have done
and yes I admire ole Brent, even tho he wont turn tahat damn record over

No, not always, often not
I have learnt a lot of tolerance here over the years, But some members, take great delight in belittling others, can never admit to being wrong , can never ever learn, they deem it beneath them to learn from certain people they consider to be less(educated) in the formal sense
ROA,Mike used thsi term to me, I have not a clue as to its meanang, , if you look back, there are a 100 such examples, that only NA people are familiar with
When NA, s talk to people in here like myself, they need to speak in more layman like terms
they need to show patience , as do most One or two do not, they always try to be superior
So if I have offended some, there is a reason,
I talk to many from here in private It pays, that is the only way one can KNOW people
if you see some underlying frustration with a certain member, there is a good reason
cheers Stu

here one was seeking for assistance, the polite reply:

can you post pics of the entry, in other words, from side and bow on, out of the water please
with that attitude you will not get far, therte are wonderful boats out there
yours is just average, just average
And it is really hard to break into the market
So call back in 15 years tell us how you did, and good luck:))
and after being critisized for that:
yes its tough and thats why I posted this, dont get me wrong fer chriss sakes, why say hey great, when its not? I am not at all trying knock this man , really
and to the coward that posted neg feed, shame, think before you do thsi
negative feedback is only whooshs right!
No, not always, often not
I have learnt a lot of tolerance here over the years,
if you see some underlying frustration with a certain member, there is a good reason
cheers Stu

But some see clear:

thanks Sasha M and swabbie i think he is a sour old school boat builder and to call it average when he knows nothing about the boat. And i quote
(I am not at all trying knock this man really) what dose that mean ?
(why say hey great, when its not?) who said that?

It is all just politeness you know whoosh?
Best regards
Richard

[taniwha]

Norhaven are CE certified by International Marine Certification Institute see: http://imci.org/index.php?pageId=17&item=875&op=lp

[ABoatGuy]

Thanks for the update.

The Nordhavn's look real shippy and have a great PR campaign behind them. I wonder why they won't (or can't) meet the only real safety standard for small (under 24m) offshore yachts ......

I've never heard of a Nordhavn meeting any classification society or safety standards.

See attached from IMCI.org - listing of Nordhavn's CE certified (all Cat A) by IMCI. These are type certificates. Larger boats are certified B+G individually and are certified by HPi in the UK.

As for classification societies, most will only class a boat over 24m, which eliminates all Nordhavn's but the 86. See attached from ABS (eagle.org). This is the listing for one of the 86's. I am told two others are in progress with ABS.

So, just to clear things up, yes they can be CE Certified CAT A and yes, they have been classed when possible.

[Paul Kotzebue]

Thanks for the data. I appreciate the clarification.