Great Boat Design Software (3D Boat Design vs. Freeship)

[irlandes1]

Gone now everyone can be quite, I appoligize that I attempted to market a product here. It was clearly upsetting everyone. I will now leave your forum.

[keith66]

Why would anyone pay for Freeship?????????? As it happens i paid for Delftship but it was my choice & it was legit!

[apex1]

Another SPAMMER, trying to sell Freeship!

[mydauphin]

Is this thing any good ... it is $37

[irlandes1]

First let me say, I am not a spammer.

If you look at my blog you will see I am real and I am not hiding my identity like spammers do.

This is a good product, If you don't like it
You don't have to buy it.

Thanks and have a great day.

[wardd]

i guess a blog makes all the difference

where have i seen those hull shapes before?

[irlandes1]

Okay, I see some of you are just going to be unkind no matter what!

But, I do know spammers aren't going to take the time to reply to your nonesense.

I am really not sure why your trying to give me a hard time. My site is relevant as is the product I am offering.

If you don't like it move on!

I was just trying to find people who be interested in my site. Not get bullied by a bunch of people with nothing better to do.

[Knut Sand]

where have i seen those hull shapes before?

Høyh! That line got me curious..

Does he offer support? And btw the hull shapes seem to be something I've too have seen before, but in a freeware priogram...

So a Spammer....

And unless you have made the actual program, or a majority of it, yourself, athievingsonofabeach...:P

In the latter case, sorry for my meaning here, if you actually have done it...:p

[Knut Sand]

Click through to have a look at some excellent boat desin software. You can create in design (2D/ 3D) right on your computer. It can be used for any floating (or gadget) device. Have a look today.
Thanks

www.freecad.com

Payment after download can be made to my account no...XXXxxx ah, well contact me for details.....:P :P :P

Or was this idea copyrighted??:confused:

Ah, well, you can spend some hours inside that internet page, and you dont have to pay me anything...
btw1 That internet site is not my honour... Doesn't mean that I can harvest something does it, oh... was I spamming?
btw2 We actually have a area for discussing software.....

[Jeremy Harris]

Well, this post has been useful to me, as I was unaware of the Freeship software. Thanks for the suggestion, I've now downloaded what looks to be the same software as being advertised here (judging from the identical screenshots) for free.

For comparison, here's a Freeship screen shot (the free software):

http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/Freeship_2.png

and here's the "3D Boat Design" screenshot (the software you pay for):

http://www.3dboatdesign.com/images/screen/new.jpg

They look remarkably similar to me, so I have to conclude that this may be an attempt to unlawfully sell software that's been released under a GNU public domain license.

In case there are other people new to this, as I was, here is a link to a free download site for this software: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeship/

Thanks again for highlighting it.

Jeremy

[irlandes1]

First let me say,I never claimed to have created anything, I was simply marketing a product as an affiliate.
I did go back and check the vendors site, They do offer support and a money back guarantee.
The screen shots you have shown here are a little similar but were not the same!
But I have removed the post so you can all get back to those busy lives of yours.
The forum is safe from the dreaded spammer!

[Knut Sand]

The screen shots you have shown here are a little similar but were not the same!


Oh I've seen that one!...?
noooo, thats a totally different electron, not seen that before...

Edit:
Due to some neg points, given to me here, I'd rather edit this one...
The lower picture is probably different, at least the electrons are smaller. I also am humble and observe that the dreaded spammer "did go back and check the vendors site, They do offer support and a money back guarantee."

Zooo.... Freeship giving money back? Or was it the "other"? Well this thread dies of natural causes, thank God or someone... thanks to Keith for pointing out this for me/us. This program is probably "sold" or avertised in other forums too....
Edit end

[apex1]

First let me say,I never claimed to have created anything, I was simply marketing a product as an affiliate.
I did go back and check the vendors site, They do offer support and a money back guarantee.
The screen shots you have shown here are a little similar but were not the same!
But I have removed the post so you can all get back to those busy lives of yours.
The forum is safe from the dreaded spammer!

A very nice idea! Go where you belong! And btw. I wonder who gave you the reputation points????????????? For abusing GNU software for sure no one here would do that!
So what´s your real identity?

[lewisboats]

Oh...for heavens sake...let the thread die its undignified death and move on to something else. We all know what goes on here and the best thing is to ignore it to oblivion.

[irlandes1]

I am not abusing anything and need to get life? TOOL!

[Martijn_vE]

As the original developer of FREE!ship I can confirm that the two programs are completely identical.
I've had the opportunity to look at the "modified" source code of the "new" program. There are no features added (or removed for that matter). The only modifications made were:

The startup screen image has been replaced with a new image.
All references to the original program name have been removed from the sourcecode.
References to the GPL license have been removed.
etc.

He did the same to the manual, but he was smart enough to leave the original copyright notices in place.
In other words, the program has just been renamed in an attempt to hide its open-source nature. The guy has a reputation of doing this.
In addition to FREE!ship he also sells an open-source flight simulator. (see the remarkible simularities between http://www.flightgear.org/features and http://www.flightprosim.com/
Coincidently the latter has exactly the same look as the 3Dboatdesign website...........
It's not completely illegal but I think it's very immoral (to say the least!).
And yes, several screenshots o the website are ripped from the original FREE!ship website (which was copyrighted!).

Regarding support, he has no knowledge whatsoever of boats (or programming) so don't get your hopes up.
The good news is that all future updates will be for free!! I'm anxiously waiting for the first update :D

Considering the way "irlandes1" is defending this whole scam I wouldn't be surprised at all if he is in fact Andrew Casey from New Zealand, the guy behind 3Dboatdesign.com.
I think it would be very easy for Jeff to trace back the origins of the IP address connected to his posts.:)

[irlandes1]

To Martijn_vE ,

I assure you I am not Andrew Casey, My name is Mike and I live in NY.
I found this product on an affiliate marketing site.
It seemed like a good product to promote for extra income and it fit with the theme of my site!

And the only thing I was defending was myself, I don't like being referred to as a fraud or a scammer. I was placing a post for a product I believed to be of interest to the people on this forum.

I do not condone anyone stealing your work and calling it their own. I have removed this product from my website and I also have reported this experience to the site which I find my affiliate products.

I hope this will shed light on what I was doing and as for Mr. Casey, at least you know who he is and what he's doing with your product!

[Martijn_vE]

Thanks for clarifying that Mike.
I seem to have missed your original post, so sorry if I took you for someone else. You just had the "luck" to market the software in the wrong place (There are lots of FREE!ship users here...)

[apex1]

Well, clever to paddle back Mike! Freeship and Delftship are probably the best known programmes at this place (at least by the seniors), and most of us know that Martijn was / is the developer.

I still wonder how one gets a reputation of 21 points in just 6 posts with a negative echo???
And I smell a rat!
Regards
Richard

[irlandes1]

Well as far as that goes,

I don't know!

I was not even aware of the point system until you commented on it.

If it is that important to you bring it to the attention of whom ever can take the points away from me.

Otherwise get over it and grow up!

[apex1]

Well as far as that goes,

I don't know!

I was not even aware of the point system until you commented on it.

If it is that important to you bring it to the attention of whom ever can take the points away from me.

Otherwise get over it and grow up!

You´re quite a nice guy! And a smart one too, knowing how to use the rest of the forum tools, but naturally not that one.
Do as you promised, leave this place no one needs you here.

And it´s too late for me to grow up, i´m just getting older now (but still wiser).

[Martijn_vE]

"pitty points" maybe? :cool:

[Jeremy Harris]

Well, I for one am very grateful for this topic being aired, as I was unaware of the Freeship software. This has come along at just the right time for me (see the "Efficient electric boat" thread) as I was trying to optimise a small boat design.

I'm very pleased to say that I loaded Freeship this afternoon, spent a couple of hours getting to grips with it and managed to transfer my model design into it and do all the required calculations and optimisation very easily. The modified model is now sitting, waiting for the glue to harden, before I take some more pictures.

Thank you very much indeed, Martijn_vE, for developing this superb software and releasing it under the GNU licence, it's proving to be very useful to me indeed.

Jeremy

[apex1]

So, thanks Mike! At least one positive aspect was found at your thread. I guess we can leave the place now.

Regards
Richard

[Martijn_vE]

You're welcome Jeremy. Have fun with it!

[tsoe]

just saw your posts,
after colaboration with some designers for 11 projects for me it looks as if the use of software basically is different from project to project. Those who know what they want are mainly constructing, and then such software like delftship is very well.
Those who look for nice and fitting lines to their early idears better cope with allround-3d-programs as Lightwave (.com) ore Cinnema 4d (maxon.net) 'cause you can play a lot more with shapes colors and images before gettting "serious".
I'm doing my external Service with Lightwave. Even my simplest renderings with it got well enough to be on the first pages on several google servers (pictures - extra large "yacht" and below). With such a software you need no idear about engeneering but you can show what you got in your mind.

http://www.tsoe.com/neu/hafencity.htm
that's what i mean

[troy2000]

Well, I for one am very grateful for this topic being aired, as I was unaware of the Freeship software. This has come along at just the right time for me (see the "Efficient electric boat" thread) as I was trying to optimise a small boat design.

I'm very pleased to say that I loaded Freeship this afternoon, spent a couple of hours getting to grips with it and managed to transfer my model design into it and do all the required calculations and optimisation very easily. The modified model is now sitting, waiting for the glue to harden, before I take some more pictures.

Thank you very much indeed, Martijn_vE, for developing this superb software and releasing it under the GNU licence, it's proving to be very useful to me indeed.

Jeremy

I agree. I was looking for free or affordable software so I could get my feet wet in CAD design, so to speak; I've used paper and pencil for 45 years to do all my drafting.

When I found 3d Boat Design, I googled for reviews of it. I started smelling a rat when every review I checked out was wildly enthusiastic. My reaction was, "oh, come on. This is the internet, for Heaven's sake. Somebody out there must hate it, if it's for real...."

So I googled '3d boat design scam,' and eventually wound up here. I saved the 47 bucks it would have cost me, and downloaded the latest free version of Delftship. I wound up with what seems to be a very good program for my modest needs (if and when I figure out how to use it properly).

Troy