3D hull and equipment models from the internet

[archnav.de]

As an enclosure you find some internet links towards some 3D boat equipment models.

Propeller1: http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=Propeller&category=&subcategory=&ss=prop

Propeller2:http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=prop4&category=&subcategory=&ss=Prop

Anchor:http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=Anker_1&category=&subcategory=&ss=Anchor

Harken block oo3: http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=harken%20block%20003&category=&subcategory=&ss=boat

Reling foundation: http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=reling%20foundation%20sailingboat&category=&subcategory=&ss=boat

Bollard: http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=poller_doppelt%208&category=&subcategory=&ss=Boat

Lifeboat enclosed:http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=lifeboat%20-%20enclosed%20motorlifeboat%20for%20cargo%20ship_fassmer_fsm-gmr-6[1].5_detailed&category=&subcategory=&ss=Boat
Up to now the 3dview is not working. The rest is ok.

[yipster]

fine new VRML player and a good range of download formats.

[archnav.de]

The main task of this thread is to have in the end a collection of 3D-models for everyone available.
So please post new links or attach files.

[archnav.de]

First you have to register under: http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/register.php

then you can download the following models:


RIB: http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/details.php?id=218

small boat http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/details.php?id=757

twisted rope: http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/details.php?id=546

simple boat: http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/details.php?id=1143&spgo=1

Dolphin: http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/details.php?id=927&spgo=1

MS FRONTIER EXPRESS: http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/details.php?id=1203

tunnel hull : http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/details.php?id=239

[duluthboats]

Thanks Bernd,

Hey, nice looking propeller. :D

Maybe I'll add some more one of these days.

Gary :D

[archnav.de]

Nobody with new links and 3D-models?

[yipster]

didnt get around to it yet, but made a note i will contribute some drawings soon

[SailDesign]

archnav.de says: "RIB: http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/details.php?id=218"

Heehee - that's my RIB. Old stock, so to speak, but it still floats. :)

Steve

[archnav.de]

Sail Design
Fine, I don't know who has created the models. Thank you, do you have other models for the public?

[Willallison]

I wish I had something to contribute - the moment I do, you'll be the 1st to know.
Great effort in hat you've done so far - lets hope some others will follow suit...

[henrikb]

My contribution....

http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/details.php?id=1541

[archnav.de]

Is there anybody else with 3D-models?

[dougfrolich]

I just posted an Antal Winch, Most of my files are in Rhino 3.0 or SolidWorks 4.0. I do not know if they will work yet. This is a great Idea to share models! I will Post a generic 2 spreader mast and boom, anchor, propeller, and stand up block later this eve.

Thanks for the link archnav.de

Doug

[Andy]

Excellent thread - using these models as 'plug-in' parts really makes modelling a lot easier and quicker - keep 'em coming! Anyone got any complete boat models or hulls they want to post? I wonder if this thread shouldn't be in the software forum though...

andy

[archnav.de]

As a next step we should try to press Vetus http://www.vetus.nl/ to come up with 3d-models as they promised, but they never did. Please post them. Read my conversation.
Later on I posted them often, but I got no answer.




Dear Mr. Klehn,

We are working on that. We try to have most of our programme available on our web site in september.
Do you have specific items you need now? Maybe I can already help you.

Kind regards,

R. van der Hoeven
R&D manager
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: B.Klehn [mailto:b.klehn@archnav.de]
Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2003 18:37
Aan: Mail Groep Research
Onderwerp: 3D CAD-Models from your Equpimemt


Do you have 3D CAD models form your products for naval architects just to place it in the designs?


Best regards


Bernd Klehn

archnav.de
Lise-Meitner-Str. 1-7
D24223 Raisdorf
Germany

E-mail: b.klehn@archnav.de
Web: www.archnav.de

[henrikb]

I'll be posting a complete hull with mast and sails as soon as I get to spend some time on my home computer....

[archnav.de]

Who is helping to press Vetus http://www.vetus.nl/ to come up with 3d-models as they promised?

[yipster]

after beeing asked for the partnumber i wrote vetus R&D more than a year ago twice. "not now but maybe later" they reply'd on my quest for ( produktion of ) a duopropshaft for pleasure boats. guess those things take time :rolleyes:

i'm checking java applets that work instantly showing objects in 3d without dirextX or direct3d or having to download players..

[archnav.de]

Some marine models from Southco:

Hinges:

Adjustable Friction Hinges:
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=E6-10-101-20&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de

Positioning Advantage Hinges:
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=G6-0-1&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=E6-10-416-50&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de

Latches:

http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=M3-50&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de

Flexible Draw Latches:
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=37-10-086-20&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=F7-51&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de

Flush-pull Latches:
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=M1-25-32-48&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=M1-25-61-18&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=M1-61-8&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de

Over Center Draw Latches:
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=A7-10-301-20&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de

Push to close Latches:
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=M1-2A-13-1&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=M1-2F-2-25&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de

Slide Latches:
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=A3-40-525-12&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de


Vise Action Compression Latches:
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=E3-1010-001&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de


Lift Handele Actuators:
http://www.southco.com/file1/partstream/modelViewDL.asp?model=M3-40-110-25&lid=b.klehn@archnav.de

[archnav.de]

New model:
Sailing boat hull from Patrick Gourronc:
http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=mauk&category=Miscellaneous&subcategory=3D%20Clip%20Art

[archnav.de]

Davit from Doug (he send me a Rhino-file. I converted the file into IGES and uploaded the file):
http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=davit&category=&subcategory=&ss=Davit

Stand up Block from Doug (he send me a Rhino-file. I converted the file into IGES and uploaded the file):
http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=stand%20up%20block-1&category=&subcategory=&ss=Block

[archnav.de]

Small boat from Patrick Gourronc:
http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=hatoup&category=&subcategory=&ss=

vedette - Boat from Patrick Gourronc:
http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=vedette&category=&subcategory=&ss=

[archnav.de]

Daan Coolegem
Hinge for flush teakdecks with hatches with round cornors:
http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=scharnierdubbeleknoop2&category=&subcategory=&ss=

[archnav.de]

dougfrolich
he has now published his Antal ST Winch under
http://www.3dmodelsharing.com/details.php?id=1542

[archnav.de]

Here you can download Hendrik Borg's boat as an e-drawing:

http://w1.211.telia.com/~u21114031/archive.htm

As an attachment you find a Rhino file about a hull from him.
Which was already published under "Some first attempts...."
in this forum.

Futher on the same as a STEP AP214 file.

[archnav.de]

Trimaran (Patrick Gourronc)

Vendor Name: Axemble

http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=trimaran&category=&subcategory=&ss=

[archnav.de]

Here you can download our first yacht 3D-model from 2000 in vrml format.

http://www.archnav.de/yacht.wrl

Display the backfaces also.

[archnav.de]

Some new hulls:
The laser was published by DaveB under http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3589

[archnav.de]

Is that a wing boat from a nasa engineer?

http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=part5&category=&subcategory=&ss=

[vperez]

Hi guys, may be somebody likes this 3d models. If any interest i´ll explain.

Best regards Víctor

[archnav.de]

Victor,
please upload the hull files as an attachment.

Best regards

Bernd

[vperez]

Hello Bernd, i thoght i had do it. I´ll try.

[archnav.de]

Hello Bernd, i thoght i had do it. I´ll try.


Victor you have uploaded the .jpg (only pictures) files not the CAD-data.

Best regards

Bernd

[archnav.de]

small catamaran for marine operations:

http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=boat+isep&category=&subcategory=&ss=

[vperez]

Sorry, but here are the IGS file. From a multichine design i made a rounded one whith the same area in the sections (I tried).

Regards Víctor.

[vperez]

Sorry again here is the IGES.

[archnav.de]

Ships wheel by Gary (Duluth Boat Works)

http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=ships+wheel&category=&subcategory=&ss=ships%20wheel

[archnav.de]

To view STEP, Parasolid(.x_t), Acis (.sat) and Pro/E files you can use the free Hoops viewers from Tech Soft AMERICA.

http://www.hoops3d.com/downloads/partviewer/partviewers.htm

See a sreenshot from Hendrik Borg's boat as a STEP-file.

Further on you can use the free Tanslation Service from the internet between the formats STEP, Parasolid and Acis. Login as anonymous user.

http://www.steptools.com/

[arch3d]

anyone could be post a link to a 3d model of a rowing race boat plz? ;)

[Davor]

Find atached my program with 6 examples. It is programmed in Fortran, VRML and Visual Basic.

Look at my answer in:

Boat Design Forums > Design > Software

Lines plan to 3D hull form in shipconstructor.

rgds

Davor

[duluthboats]

http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/search.asp?ss=22.8

Gary :D

[archnav.de]

Hey Gary,
I tested your new wheel link, but is doesn't work.

I think that's the right link:

http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=wheel2&category=&subcategory=&ss=

[archnav.de]

As an enclosure you find the Marshall Trailer Sailer from Doug as a .sat file.

If you are using the Hoops Acis Viewer go to view-rendering options-and switch Backplane Culling off. Otherwiese some surfaces will be missing.

[archnav.de]

I posted to Vetus the following:

Dear Sir, Madam,

as an enclosure you find an edited web site from your company "Maintenance-free marine batteries Vetus den Ouden N_V" . Under Capacity 55 you find a link towards a CAD-view and Download centre.

Clicking on 55 in the capacity table will open a link towards 3D ContentCental and you can view a 3D-model of a battery. Doing it the first time be patience, be course a 3D-viewer must be downloaded towards your computer.

As a next step you can download the 3D-Model in the format you like ( STEP, Acis; Parasolid, Catia, Pro/E, SolidWorks and so on).

For engineers and designers it would be great, if the could offer such service for your products.

[duluthboats]

Vintage nav light.
http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/modelViewDL.asp?model=navlight&category=Miscellaneous&subcategory=Various%20Components

Gary

[archnav.de]

Some hulls as .igs files from different sources:

[archnav.de]

Hamann Wassertechnik

"Super Mini"

The 'SUPER MINI' is a specially designed sewage treatment system for yachts having lengths from 11 m (36 ft) up to 30 m (100 ft) with max. 12 persons on board.

http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3DContentCentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=sewage+treatment+unit+%2D+super+mini+24+v+dc+%3B+1%5F+208%2D230+v%5F50%2C60+hz%5Fhamann%5Fhw%2Dsupermini%2D12&category=&subcategory=&ss=sewage

[archnav.de]

Submarine from 3D ContentCentral

http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3dcontentcentral/userlibrary/model.asp?model=submarine&category=&subcategory=&ss=

[dincerd]

Anyone Uses 3d Studio Max For Interior Designing? And Anyone Knows How Can I Find 3d Furniture Dwg's?? I Need Furniture Dwg's As Soon As Possible!

Help Me :)

[archnav.de]

Free 3d Studio Max (3DS) and AutoCAD (dxf) 3d-models form furniture you can find under

http://www.3dcafe.com/asp/househld.asp

[archnav.de]

Here you find a concept how 3D-models and documents of equipment could be spread via the internet in a simple way. To learn more open the file

[Robbi]

I can't get the plugin installed in Netscape 7.2.

When I try to install it, the license agreement comes up and
after I accept it nothing more happens. I could also not download
the RIB model to my computer. Must try to fix the problem.

Otherwise this issue is very interesting. It would be nice to see products
from Vetus modeled in 3D. Also other manufacturers would then
probably follow their footsteps. I believe that similar technicues are
already used in the mechanical sector concerning screws, bolts, washers,
etc.

Keep up the good work!

[archnav.de]

Has anyone problems to open or to download the Sauer&Sohn documents involved in the .pdf-file?

I had made today some tests with the Sauer&Sohn people. They were not able to open the links involved in the .pdf-files.

Up to this experience, I was quite sure, that it is a simple and secure concept.

Damned Microsoft ( Micky Mouse) software.

Please give me any feedback, if you had also some problems to download or to open the files

[dougfrolich]

I have just down the links in the pdf and had no problem, but I use Adobe 6.0 Professional, that may make some difference. Wouldn't it be great if all vender catalouges were like this??!! Thanks Bernd

[SailDesign]

No problems at all - Acrobat Reader 6.0

Steve

[Cian Groves]

Sorry for asking a question that may have already been dicussed, but why is there not a 3d cad model exchange within this forum?
Instead of using external exchange websites, not dedicated to marine models.

Cheers,
Cian

[Jeff]

The major thing that the forum here is lacking is a viewer for 3D-cad files. The solidworks site has a nice browser plugin which allows you to view, rotate, and zoom 3D models in real-time which is difficult to duplicate.

[Cian Groves]

Hi Jeff,

Is it really necessary though to be able to 3d view the item over net.
Could we not just include a screen shot or render of the piece of equipment which could be viewed and have the download file of the item seperate.

Cheers,
Cian

[duluthboats]

Another advantage to the SW site is the many formats it will work with.

Gary :D

[Cian Groves]

Hi Gary,

I don't know what everyone is using in regards to software.
But as we are wanting a file containing either surfaces or solids (polysurfaces) than the 2 common file formats would be iges and step which I would imagine most of us would be capable of importing.

I know what I'm suggesting is already out on the web, I just thought that a predominately marine based 3d model web exchange would be a great asset to this web forum and it's members.

Cheers,
Cian

[archnav.de]

Hi Cian, Jeff, Gary,

I think we can install a simple way to distribute 3d-models and documents direct via boatdesign.net.

All we need is a special gallery called "Documents and 3D-Models". We could make a jpg from the models or the documents and attach the necessary files.
From my point of view a 3d-viewer is nice to have but not essential.

For AutoCAD .sat (Version4.0) and for a lot of other CAD-systems .x_t should also be a valid file extension.

But be aware, the main problem is, to update the documents and models. So overall I prefer the distribution via the websites and .pdf-files of the suppliers.

Regards

Bernd

[Cian Groves]

Hi Archnav,
I did forget about autocad (I don't use it for 3d modelling, only 2d detailing) so .sat files would need to be included for autocad users. The .x_t files (parasolid file type) I haven't used much either as most people have asked for .step & .iges/.igs from me (just my personal experience).
There are however various file converters on the web which can convert between the various file formats for free.
I do also agree with you on gettting models that are correct as per manufactures specifications, so there is risk using a model that you haven't built yourself (downloaded from the web). But many marine suppliers aren't willing to hand out their models and so a user based model library could be an option.
Updating a model could be a problem, but you have supplied various models in your previous threads, I imagine they will be an as is where is basis and you won't be updating them.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers,
Cian

[archnav.de]

Hi Cian, Gary, Jeff, all

I have install a first example, how to distribute 3D Models and Documents via the boatdesign.net gallery.

Look at:

http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2555/

From my point of view only 3 items are missing:

1. Management of attachments, similar to forums (the data are now on the archnav-server)

2. .sat and .x_t should also be valid file extensions ( see the above comments)

3. An extra gallery for "Documents, Drawings and 3D-Models"


Best regards, your further comments are welcome

Bernd

[Jeff]

Thanks Bernd, Cian, Gary,

I think this is a good idea, and after looking into the linkage between drawing file and thumbnail and working with it a bit this morning on a test server, I think it will actually be easier than I thought to implement. If no unforeseen problems develop, I just need to review all the scripts for potential errors - my goal is to have the addition in place by early next week.

Thanks again, as always, for the excellent ideas.

[Cian Groves]

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for looking at this, I hope all members get behind it and I look forward to contributing.

Cheers,
Cian

[duluthboats]

:) :) :)

[henrikb]

I think I have seen it in a thread somewhere, can't find it now... :confused:
Anyone knows where to find a 3d of a human body or similar? Rhino or compatible.

[archnav.de]

Hey Hendirk,

for human in 3DS and 3dxf format go to:

http://www.3dcafe.com/asp/anatomy.asp

and for some human in normal cad-formats go to:

http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/3dcontentcentral/userlibrary/category.asp?model=todd&category=Miscellaneous&subcategory=Humans

Cheers

Bernd

[Cian Groves]

Hi Hendrik,
all according to what you wish the figure for (ergonomics or rendering), but I have found poser as a good bit of software for figures. There is plenty of info on the web for reference, it's quite inexpensive & easy to use. The models can be exported as obj files with textures attached out of poser straight into rhino.
If you need an example just give me a few details and I'll see what I can do (e.g male/female, youth/adult, standing/seated etc).

Cheers,
Cian

[archnav.de]

Hi Jeff,

thank you very much to give us the possibility to upload 3D models, documents and drawings via Boat Design Gallery. I hope a lot of users will test the new approach.

From my point of view it is not necessary to differ between 3D CAD and 2D CAD. You need just to look at the thumbnail.



Cheers

Bernd

[archnav.de]

Hi Jeff,

please tell me how did you manage to produce the rendering form the harken block 003? I did not deliver any image, was it done automatically?

Is only one file type per item possible ?


Cheers

Bernd

[Jeff]

please tell me how did you manage to produce the rendering from the harken block 003? I did not deliver any image, was it done automatically?No I'm afraid not - I do not know how to automatically generate thumbnails from the cad files on the server yet so I simply created it manually :)
Is only one file type per item possible ?Currently yes - only one format per upload - an obvious limitation...

[Cian Groves]

Hi Guys,
A link to tecma marine toilets 2d & 3d (iges) for thoses of you that may need them.

http://www.tecma.net/nautica/silence/index.html

Cheers,
Cian

[archnav.de]

Hi Chain,

The direct link to the download page is:

http://www.tecma.net/nautica/downloads.html

But never the less these .igs surface files are much too large and not very useful as a part of a complete 3D ship model.

At least they should published the models as solids in .stp, .sat or .x_t.

The other 3D online possibilities are very impressive (3D-View, CAD-Tree, Bill of Matrials, Annotates).


Cheers

Bernd

[Cian Groves]

Hi Bernd,
Thanks for correcting the link.
As for model file type being iges, I don't see a problem. A iges file will contain surfaces of the model, and a stp, sat or x_t will also contain the same surfaces but with them joined to make a solid. File sizes can be different due to compression of each file type, but data in them is the same.
In the end a solid is but a multiple amount of surfaces joined to form a watertight body.


Cheers,
Cian

[archnav.de]

Hi Chain,
in the newest development of iges solids are also involved, but a lot of CAD-systems are not able to import them. 3.7MB for the ceramic bowl of the toilet as .igs surfaces is much too large and the presentation even in Rhino is not correct and so you can't use it. Originally the bowl is a solid. Go to http://www.tecma.net/nautica/files/3d/silence_plus/silence_plus.html and i think not larger then 0.2MB. So it would be easy to save it as a solid in .stp-format.

There are large differences between the geometrical objects point, curve, surface, solid.

In our models we use normally a combination of surfaces and solids. Surfaces for the hull and solids for the rest.


Cheers

Bernd

[PerCorell]

Hi

I find it very interesting with 3D models --- but if I shuld deal seriously with it, it must be somthing not just to display not just to show a fancy picture it must be somthing that reflect in the manufactoring equipment , and there I am critic.

Once some 15 years ago I myself develobed the applications to take into AutoCAD to draw in another way than AutoCAD's meshes was made, to be able to overcome the restricted numbers of faces you can make in a polygon mesh in AutoCAD, so to be able to unfold the panels --- to be able to make design tools so I could make a true 3D interpalation between two different boats and generate maby 10 different "inbetweens" and point to the one I wanted to unfold and build.

The result was "Cyber-Boat" as you se at ;

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-Boat/

But is this enough ----- no a boat is not just panels made with computers ontop a tradisional rigid framework as how made 200 years ago, the framework is the real challance so beside the few other develobments and innovations it ended up with a brand new structural idear please check that at the new Tsunami-Longboat group or at the free download 5Meter - Longboat files at the old Cyber-Boat group.

Old group ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-Boat/

Tsunami-Longboat group ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tsunami-Longboat/

There are more Yahoo Cyber-Boat groups with free plans and various designe, the next proberly be a 2.02 meter true neat pram , one I build several of one that carry 450 Kg. and weight round 22 Kg. you can find it among the pictures in the group.

Best regards
Per Corell
http://home20.inet.tele.dk/h-3d/http://home20.inet.tele.dk/h-3d/Animation-longboat.gif

[atlantico]

I'm looking for a resource for outboard engine CAD files for design drawings. In particular, HP from 150-250. I wish the manufacturers would have a download link for designers and builders. If you bug them enough they might give you a CD, but I need these now.

[Davor]

Look at this web page:

http://www.parallelgraphics.com

rgds

Davor

[Cian Groves]

Hi Bernd,

I also have Rhino, after opening one of the files cleaning it up a bit I get as per attached image. I have cleaned it up so it can be made into a solid. I saved it as a stp file within Rhino, file size 3.9mb compared to 3.7mb for iges.
If I was to reconstruct the complete model (as there is many individual surfaces) I am sure I could make the file sizes smaller for both file types.
To test file type sizes constuct a couple of primative objects in rhino (sphere, box etc) and save them as an iges & also a stp, see which one saves the smallest.

Cheers,
Cian

[archnav.de]

Hey Chain,

after opening one of the files cleaning it up a bit this should be absolutely not necessary and If I was to reconstruct the complete model (as there is many individual surfaces) I am sure I could make the file sizes smaller for both file types.
All this could be avoided, if it was saved as solids(.igs, .stp, .sat or .x_t).

So far as I have looked into their presentation, I think they have SolidWorks. This software has a hell of nice converters (in- and output). So they could present us the smaller and absolutely correct file easily.

Cheers

Bernd

[Cian Groves]

Hi Bernd,
I agree it would be nice if we could be supplied with better cad files, but I am just making the most of what has been supplied.

Cheers,
Cian

[archnav.de]

Hi Cain,
It would be nice if you could upload some 3D-models from your CAD-store towards 3D CAD Blocks and Drawing Files. Otherwise we will run into some problems. The idea is nothing, if there is no action.


Cheers

Bernd

[archnav.de]

Hi all,

nobody else with 3D CAD Blocks and Drawing Files, or Documents for the new gallery?

This can't be.

Cheers

Bernd

[wind]

Hi, I put a traveler in the 3D CAD Blocks and Drawing Files gallery, if you need some *.3dm file only ask for it a hull (maxsurf), a block, a righting moment curve (hydromax) any thing, bye and good wind´s.
For the traveler I use an already drawn block.

[archnav.de]

I think I have to push the 3D-models idea again. We need other 3D.models under 3D CAD Blocks and Drawing Files http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/3054

The Rhino people can pack the .3dm, ACIS 4.0, STEP and iges file into one .zip-file.

Jeff, why is this gallery only visible for registered users?

Cheers

Bernd

[Jeff]

The 3D CAD Blocks and Drawing Files gallery is now visible to unregistered guests as well.

[PerCorell]

Hi
Maby I am slow maby my glasses need to be polished, but I can not find any "Drawing gallery" , could someone please point me a link ?

P.C.

[archnav.de]

Here is the link for Drawings and CAD-blocks.

http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/3054

[Baldur]

I am in the process of creating some solid models of old classic hulls found on the free plans at:
http://www.svensons.com/boat/
These are hull skins only. (parasolid or iges format) I will post them when I'm finished. ;)

[Jeff]

Fantastic!!

[Baldur]

This is the kind of stuff we need to share among boat designers.
The sharing of ideas encourages creativity...
:D

[archnav.de]

Baldur
I'm getting no answer from http://www.svensons.com/boat/

Jeff
Your comment fantastic!! Is related to the website or to Baldurs approach or what else?

Cheers

Bernd

[Jeff]

I'm getting no answer from http://www.svensons.com/boat/
It's loading for me as I type this.

Your comment fantastic!!
In response to Baldur's offer to post the hull models when he's finished.

[archnav.de]

As an attachment you find a update regarding 3D-CAD interfaces.

If you have the models in the three formats Parasolid (.x_t), ACIS (.sat) and STEP (.stp) available you can act in most CAD-Systems like native files. With .igs you get normally a hell of problems.

[Baldur]

Sorry
Here they are in proper format......

20 ft dory hull

[archnav.de]

Dear Baldur,
fine, as a last step, pack the files altogether in one .zip file and upload to file towards http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/3054

Cheers

Bernd

[archnav.de]

Here an older but remarkable report about CAD-Kernels


http://cadence.advanstar.com/1998/1298/supgreen.html

[duluthboats]

Bernd,
:D
Your determination and patients will some day reap rewards. The correct format for file sharing is important but many of us have never given it much attention. Thank you for trying to inform us.

[archnav.de]

For larger ships you can download 2D drawings and 3D models from MAN by using the following link http://www.manbw.com/article_004544.html .

There is also a special service at their extranet https://extranet.manbw.de

The “3D Engine Viewer“ is a software tool by MAN B&W Diesel to support reliable engine room planning. It provides CAD models in individual configuration. To use this complete service you have to register.

[Baldur]

Original post by: John Bell (wooden boat forum)

It's been asked here before about where to find CAD files of various outboards. Well, I finally found some on the web at the European Mercury site.

http://www.marinepower.com/download/dosearch

Select "Technical Drawings" then click "launch". There are 14 pages of drawings in PDF and DXF format of just outboards. Note: You have to go to page 5 before you hit the DXF files. Here is a link to the dxf of a 3.3 HP outboard.

There are also drawings of I/O's and other cool motor stuff.

Enjoy!

[yipster]

With .igs you get normally a hell of problems
cad person model (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9178) but keep having trouble with autocad files, i get differnt version conflicts on LT2000 and 14. Stp and Iges now also in max6 is another extension that saves in differnt files. whats compatable etc, anymore explanation?

[archnav.de]

Dear Joop (Yipster),
3D Studio-file are similar to 3d-DXF files The files consists out of a lot of small flat triangel surfaces. So you can't produce out of that file neither an iges (surface, solid), .sat, .x_t or .stp-file. If we export a CAD Model towards 3D-Studio we first convert the solids and surfaces into triangle-surfaces and then save this file as .dxf and import the file into 3D-Studio. Today it is possible to do the conversion into meshes from different file formats inside 3D- Studio. But you never can produce a .sat, .x_t or .stp file out of a 3D-Studio file. These files consist of points, curves, edges, surfaces ( freeform) and solids. In contrast to this, the 3D-Studio file consits only out of meshes. So you can't alter 3DStudio files with CAD-systems or save them as .iges, .sat, .x_t or .stp file only as .dxf or .3ds.
So please publish your models as .dxf and .3ds files. Most CAD-Systems can import these flies. But after doing so you never have the chance to save the hole model as .sat, x_t or .spt only as .dxf. Otherwise the imported 3D-Studio parts will missing.

Best regrads

Bernd

[Baldur]

I have converted the person CAD to a solid model (.x_t )

[Baldur]

here is the .sat file:

They are not smooth, but they work for dimensioning purposes..

NOTE: You may need to scale to correct size..

[archnav.de]

Hey Baldur,
The . x_t Man is not a solid model. It is a triangel 3D-dxf surface that you can't alter with CAD-Systems. The .sat file doesn't run under my different CAD-Systems.

Cheers

Bernd

[yipster]

sorry guy's, i didnt start checking and converting the 3dman (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9178) to different cad formats yet. dxf i can import in max, 3ds and max export to dfx but than max wont read these dfx, anyway, newer software versions do seem to get more compatible. i can animate the 3d man drinking a martini in his faforite T shirt in max but for working with more cad systems having him do that on his yacht i better study a bit more...

[Baldur]

The stats on my CAD program (UG) show that the MAN.X_T model is comprised of 56 solids and no surfaces.
I first coverted it to STL then to surfaces then created solids from the surfaces. Some software will try to covert solid faces to nurbs surfaces during translation.
I will try to open it a a few different CAD systems and see if there is a traslation error.

Converting CAD files from one format to another is what I do for work.

Thanks.

[yipster]

"convert solid faces to nurbs surfaces" sounds most interesting but also means there is much more to learn here :mad:

[Baldur]

You are correct Bernd,
There is something wrong with the X_T file.
It is a solid in UG and MC, but Solidworks brings it in as surfaces?
:confused:
I will work on it some more when I get a chance.

[archnav.de]

Baldur,
The process to work via .stl sounds strange.
Normally a solid consists on well defined surfaces and edges. You lose this definition , if you convert the file into 3dxf or .stl. So if we want to switch a CAD-model from one CAD-system to another we never leave the exchange triangle between .step, .sat and .x_t. This allows us to work with the models in most CAD-System like native files. Acis (.sat) or Parasolid (.x_t) are the kernels of most CAD-Systems for the rest you can work with .stp (Standard Exchange Protocol).

For small files (up to 5MB) there is a free translation service under http://www.steptools.com/strepo/login.cgi?URL=/strepo/translate%2Ecgi%3F
Login as anonymous to switch the data between ACIS, Parasolid and STEP.
For a long run it would be great for the CAD-community, if there would be the same service via internet for larger files and new versions of the Kernels and STEP-files.

Cheers

Bernd

[yipster]

together with above reply from archnav i got the cad digest (http://www.caddigest.com/subjects/index.htm) newsletter in my e-mail mentioning "CAD Interoperability Not Here Yet, Users Say - in spite of companies' efforts on standardization and vendors' claims on solving CAD interoperability, there is no ideal solution to this problem, based on Kubotek research, Jeffrey Rowe, Advanced Manufacturing, October 2005"

thanks for the link and will try whats possible...

[archnav.de]

Hey Yister,
Please give me the direct link towards the article.

Below you found our analyses in relation to the shipbuilding sector.

Cheers

Bernd

[yipster]

http://www.advancedmanufacturing.com/SeptOct05/colDesignInsight.htm
i only glimsed at it and still have to start conversing

[yipster]

3d dxf man

[yipster]

hope this works, for me it does. not beeing very proficient in dxf i found it hard manipulating him in different postures and when anyone likes its little effort for me to make a few more positions in max and to convert to dxf

[stewi]

I guess, Acad Lite can't export in IGES. I opened and exported with ACAD 2004. I think it did convert over 3000 surfaces, thought my computer would crash, but here it is.
Your guy in Solid Works looks like that:

[SailDesign]

Hey, Yipster - that's the same guy I use! I had to reshape his head a little so he didn't look so wierd, but he is useful - and he doesn't eat much...

[yipster]

found the guy in a "man.max" search once as shareware.
i use this guy daily now and find him very usefull.
much better than the wooden drawing puppet i had before.
never saw the need to get him clothed or chance his head.
here the optimized files i found

[archnav.de]

Here you can discover the different between a 3d dxf or 3ds file and a 3D CAD file . The 3D-CAD file you can alter in all aspects in most CAD-systems and you can make 2D-drawings out of the files, related to the edges. In a 3d dxf file you will always see the triangles.

I have downloaded the file form 3Dcontentcentral

[dougfrolich]

My Honda OB in 3d

[spank]

That outboard model comes through as jumbled lines for me....Is it working for anyone else? I would love to get a 3d outboard model to use on some of my center console designs. So far the only ones I have been able to find are of old 50's vintage evinrude 3 hp motors that look absolutely silly scaled to fit 25 foot fishing boats...

[dougfrolich]

Spank,

Right click after you save it and choose a program- I use Rhino and SolidWorks. It should open fine. Let me know if that doen't work.

[archnav.de]

Hey Doug,

It would be great as always, if you can upload the model of the Honda Outboard also to the Gallery called CAD-Blocks. Please convert the file first also via SolidWorks into .sat (4.0) and x_t (12.0) and pack them into one .zip file.
So that that all users from boatdesign.net can find your model and can use the model easily.

Cheers

Bernd

[spank]

Thanks Doug. I was originally trying to import it into VX...which is usually excellent at dealing with these things, but not in this case for some reason. IN any case, Rhino worked fine. Much appreciated.

[archnav.de]

Dear colleges,

Urgently 3D Models are needed under 3D-CAD-Blocks. Please upload your models.

Cheers

Bernd

[bhnautika]

Archnav.de Maybe there should be a wish list of required drawings needed by members. I have constructed a number “generic” drawing’s of things like vents, stanchions, pulpit tubing, deck hardware, tillers etc, these are relatively simple drawing’s to keep their file size down. Also not everybody wants or needs 3D models how about 2 ¾ D and 2D as well?

[duluthboats]

Hi Bernd, almost 25,000 views of this thread but not that many models in gallery. I guess I will draw something.

Gary :D

[archnav.de]

Hey bhnautika,
just pack the different formats, model types (3D and 2D) and other information (.pdf) of one item into one .zip file and upload them beside a thumbnail towards boatdesign.net. Select the models, drawings and information out of your database from which you think, that they could be useful for the boat design community.

Cheers

Bernd

[RANCHI OTTO]

Help...!

I need a 3D of a duoprop Volvo Penta stern drive....

Thanks!

[yipster]

not a volvo not even a duoprop, just one of the props on file quikly mirrored.
can do and in most file sizes but your probably allready served plus sun is comming out, food burning, so help...!

[RANCHI OTTO]

Thanks Yip

[solrac]

may I help a bit.
here a list of cad & 3d drawing sites with lots of blocks:

http://www.caddepot.com/
http://forums.cadalyst.com/
http://www.cadopolis.com/shareware/shareware_listing.asp?TheCategory=CatAll&TheSubcategory=SubBlocks&TheKeywords=
http://www.cadcells.com/
http://cben.net/
http://www.accustudio.com/marketplace/freeware.htm
http://www.activedwg.com/html/Downloads.htm

also, a couple architecture & engineering forums where you can ask anything you need:

http://www.itspanish.org//modules.php?name=Forums
http://www.arquinauta.com/
http://www.hispacad.com/foro/

good luck

[RANCHI OTTO]

SOLRAC.....THANKS a lot !

[RANCHI OTTO]

Where are you ? 34'..... to complicate....

[solrac]

Where are you ? 34'..... to complicate....
complicate???
just google earth it...
34'54"35"47S - 56'07"48"98W is the pool center coordinates at Yatch Club Uruguayo, Puerto del Buceo, Montevideo, Uruguay...:D

[RANCHI OTTO]

I'm happy, thank you very much...at last I know where I am!!:)

45°38' 35.61"N 13° 46' 45.52"E (Mental Hospital in Trieste):D

[solrac]

:D :D :D
no joke, it's real...
also:
30°55' 13.07"S 56° 08' 57.99"W (is my home...)

[RANCHI OTTO]

I know Solrac...I'm only envious!

[solrac]

I know Solrac...I'm only envious!

jeeeeesuschrist... you live in front of the basilica.... in one of the beautiest cities of the northern italy...
we're here at the world's ass... living on an underdeveloped country... envious? please...

[RANCHI OTTO]

I'm envious of the Yacht Club....!

[pashbe1]

What formats and how can I convert to rhino? Does anyone have a water surface for rhino (is there such a thing?) that I can float my model on?

p.s. The creativity and generosity on this site is inspirational. Also check out www.instructables.com for more things to expand your creativity with.

[pashbe1]

I have harken, lewmar and some anchor dwgs from the manufacturers in dwg format. I noticed nobody seems real interested in 2d but I'll upload them if they can be useful. Things like winches are easily revolved into 3d. I uploaded a lewmar file already but wanted to make sure anybody was interested.

[yipster]

i was reading the 3d models forum a few weeks back that read like a dead horse. togetehr with the searching i find most rouch models are faster drawn, here some props with a nose cone done in 5 min before i even looked for a sample in the volvo catalog (http://www.volvo.com/NR/rdonlyres/2D2F5550-D247-4F3D-BE18-B8D3E71BEAA6/0/Prop_guide_2005_2006.pdf) where i saw volvo duoprops come in various set-ups. offcourse factory drawings with the cups right and all i too keep myself posted for.

[archnav.de]

I know it is very hard to find an effective way to distribute 3D-Models and other documents via internet. But we have no give up. Under http://www.archnav.de/linksammlung/links_fs_12.html you find our solution. There is a list of all equipment suppliers from the shipbuilding industry. To some of them there are related (brochures with 3D-CAD-Models) in .pdf format. There you can download all related 3D-Models and documents.

Try this links:

http://www.archnav.de/BOLL_2_04_5_engl_rev1_.pdf
http://www.archnav.de/Boll_6.46-GB.pdf
http://www.archnav.de/BOLL_6_61_engl_01_rev1_.pdf
http://www.archnav.de/Hamann_sewage_rev1_.pdf
http://www.archnav.de/Sauer_Marine_compressors_rev1_.pdf
http://www.archnav.de/RWO_SKIT_S_HFO_rev1_.pdf
http://www.archnav.de/RWO%20sewage%20treatment%20plants%20TYPE%20%20WWT_rev1_.pdf

It is working in the same way as yipster show us with the volvo catalogue. The only new thing is, that there are involved 3D-models and other documents via .zip-files.

[yipster]

nice site and your right archnav, did a course at cadcollege (http://www.cadcollege.nl/boeken/symbolen/Sym_download.htm) were emphasis was put on having pallets and using cad libraries
dutch acad and inventor instruction movies and cad library under the link above ;)

[archnav.de]

There is an new way to distribute, view and download 3D-Models via the Internet. All you need is the latest Abrobat reader Version 8.1 or for downloading direct with right mouseclick 3D-PDF 8.1.

Here are some examples from our webside:

http://www.archnav.de/Lewmar_Delta_Anchors_Test_.pdf
http://www.archnav.de/Atlas_rev2_.pdf
http://www.archnav.de/Volvo_Penta_genset_D12_HE_434F-1_rev1_.pdf
Cheers

Bernd

[yipster]

swinging that engine around feels good archnav, my understanding is you have bought the pdf v8.1 builder?

bunch of fairly good ship models at http://www.3dworldclub.com/preview.aspx?ModelCode=3208#
http://64.78.2.164/th/2/3/3208.jpg

[archnav.de]

From my point of view a catalogue like that from

http://www.archnav.de/Lewmar_Delta_Anchors_Test_.pdf

would be the optimum for boats designer. There you could watch the anchor in 3D, make the size selection and download the anchor you need for your ship in the format you need for your CAD-System.

The only problem is that the equipment suppliers are not willing to do so, if there is not enough pressure from the boat designers.

Cheer

Bernd

Yipster,
Have you already install the Acrobat Reader 8.1 and the models are running without any problem?

[yipster]

Bernd, yes, acrobat 8.1 and works like a dream, compliments!

[archnav.de]

If we agree, that this is the solution we are looking for, then we should develop a strategy to get the boat equipment suppliers on the road to do so.

Yipster, do you have any connections towards Vetus or others in Holland?

Cheers

Bernd

[yipster]

If we agree, that this is the solution we are looking for, then we should develop a strategy to get the boat equipment suppliers on the road to do so.

Yipster, do you have any connections towards Vetus or others in Holland?

Cheers

Bernd
since about everyone uses acrobat i'm glad to see it working but have to make one free test pdf 8.1 to see what is all possible

do think 3d support should be actually in windows and wrote microsoft years back about these things as it still does not even carry a virus scanner

i more than agree on using pallets and libraries, boat equipment too when possible ( long as experts stick the more serious drawings together ;-)

have a good day and i second your quest

[archnav.de]

The Acrobat Reader 8.1 is of course free for anyone, but to create a 3D-PDF file you have to use the expensive Acrobat 3D software. You can download a 30day trial version from the Adobe side. If you have done so, we should further communicate on this topic.

Cheers

Bernd

[yipster]

my first pdf ever and in 3d, well sort of a test, used a concept and like to see if some vaque obscure pics together with all the balony with errors is visible, i know, its messy, i'm inpatient
3d acrobat pdf v8.1 has a little learning curve, even in the viewer, having a hard time to pan or find back the model, maybe its becouse i rush things, anyway, later further ah, and must say i was more impressed, mayby still am with vrml in 92 and 97

[archnav.de]

So never the less, your 3D-pdf file is a very good starting point, with all the different information, documents, links and models. To make it perfect is only a question of time.

One little tip, it is better to use the second bottom from left to turn the model. Zooming could be done with the wheelhouse. In this way your first model works very well. Further on you could define previews during the creation of the file.

In the other cases there must be something beside the model, so that the centre of the 3D-box is fare way from the model. Something like a large plane or so.


Cheers

Bernd


I hope others will also join the discussion.

[archnav.de]

Hey Yipster,

it is much simpler to discover your models then I thought.
Open the assembly tree completly, zoom a part with a right click selection and then turn and zoom it. Enjoy it.

Cheers

Bernd

[archnav.de]

http://www.archnav.de/PCM-Manholes-5015-H_rev1_Binder1_.pdf

http://www.archnav.de/PCM-Manholes-5016-H_rev1_Binder1_.pdf

[bhnautika]

Bernd I have looked at some of the information on adobe acrobat 3D from their web site and on the face of it looks promising for a conversion/delivery system. I think the take up rate for small uses may be slow due to the cost and in the end you still end up with a iges or step file and how your own native cad handles that file type. Also this system will work for supplier data but might be a problem for peer to peer if your cad is not supported.

[archnav.de]

bhnautika,
Thank you very much joining the discussion. The first and most important item is, that there is available, with the free new Acorabat Reader 8.1, a CAD-Viewer on all computers. The viewer is working great in all aspects.

Have you installed already Acrobat reader 8.1?

Cheers

Bernd

[yipster]

i come to like the acad type of dimension tool in the pdf 3d viewer witch enables full scale 3d sizing

[archnav.de]

i come to like the acad type of dimension tool in the pdf 3d viewer witch enables full scale 3d sizing

Yipster
What did you mean by acad type of dimension tool?

Cheers

Bernd

[yipster]

much more seems possible but i like the 3d dim tool in peticular
here a sample screenschot in meters

[yipster]

so i can even size your bolts and nuts :D

[archnav.de]

But this is up to now only available in the expensive Acrobat 3D.

Have you explored how to navigate with the assembly tree? Zoom to a part, turn around with the part in the middle?

Cheers

Bernd

[bhnautika]

Bernd I downloaded Acrobat 8.1 and seems to work as advertised. I think it has great potential as a marketing tool. Giving people the ability to interact with 3d models.
The Step file that was zipped, how was that done? Was it done with acrobat 3d or the normal way.

[archnav.de]

bnautika,

Normally we try to work always via step AP214, when we dealing with CAD-files and try to make them such as robust that there are no difficulties to work with in different CAD-Systems. Beside the Step file we produce an ACIS 4.0 file for AutoCAD and other ACIS based software. The second large geometric kernel is Parasolid (UG, SolidWorks, Microstation, SolidEdge). So that is why we involve in .zip files these three files and other documents.

In respect with PDF for us the marketing aspect is not so important, but the distribution of documents, drawings and 3D-Models via a certificated und secured file.


The basefor the new 3D-PDF file is the PRC-Format.
For the long run the PRC-file, a kind of compressed STEP AP214 file, could play an important rule in the distribution of CAD-Models. We will wait and see.

Cheers

Bernd

[bhnautika]

Bernd I tried opening the step file using rhino and solid works. Solid works wouldn’t open it , RhinoV2 did . If you don’t mind me asking what size was the models file in its native file format.

[archnav.de]

bnautika,
Please tell me the name of the file you tried to open, so that we have the same example.

Cheers

Bernd

[bhnautika]

Bernd the file was PCM-H-457_rev1_.stp

[archnav.de]

The file name could be:

PCM-5015-H-457_rev1_.stp
PCM-5016-H-457_rev1_.stp
or
PCM-5017-H-457_rev1_.stp

[bhnautika]

Sorry bernd PCM-5015-H –457_rev1_.stp
PCM-5016-H –457_rev1_.stp
Both would not open in solidworks but did in rhinoV2

[SamS]

Have you guys tried the free eDrawings 3D viewer from SolidWorks? You can find more information and download here http://www.solidwork.com/pages/products/edrawings/eDrawings.html

The eDrawings publisher can be used to create a few different file types, an edrw file which requires the end user to have already installed the eDrawing viewer software or you can create a self executing edrawing file so that the user does not need to download and install anything. If you require the eDrawings professional version allows the ability to enable or disable the users ability to the measure and can also password enable to viewer file to protect your designs. There is also the ability to create an html file so that you can add to your web site and of course plenty of tools to markup and red line the edrawing file so that two users can collaborate on a design. Can also of course do all the "normal" pan, zoom, rotate, hide exterior components so as to see interior, set individual components to transparent so user can see through them but still see the transparent components shape. Can also create dynamic section views by dragging a plan through the design and the plan will section as the user drags.

I think the one benefit of the Adobe 3D program is the ability to format as a brochure and easily add text, this might be accomplished with edrawings as well by embedding into a word doc but I have never tried.

Maybe give it a try, just be sure to download the correct software per your CAD program. Oh yeah, it can also view native dxf and dwg files as well.

Sam

[archnav.de]

Sorry bernd PCM-5015-H –457_rev1_.stp
PCM-5016-H –457_rev1_.stp
Both would not open in solidworks but did in rhinoV2

I have no problems with SolidWorks 2005, but some with Rhino 4.0. (Wrong solids in 5015)
The problems with Rhino are quite normal; because Rhino is more surfaces based and in this sense extremely good, but have some problems with solids. So Rhino is great for surfaces and iges-files.

For equipment exchange, we are looking more forward for solids, assembly structure and other information. There is STEP AP214 the best.


Cheers

Bernd

[archnav.de]

Have you guys tried the free eDrawings 3D viewer from SolidWorks?

Sam

Our strategy is quite clear, for documents incl. their certification PDF is the international standard and available on all computers. For 3D-Models STEP-AP214, Acis or Parasolid are the best for the exchange between CAD-Systems.

So the first step was, that we decided to involve in PDF-documents via a link and a .zip-file 3D-models in the above mentioned formats.

Since Acrobat 8.1 there is involved a very good 3-D viewer and the new possibility of the PRC format.
Now everyone has enough instruments to explore documents und 3D-models via PDF-files. There is no need for other possibilities, because to work with the models you need always in the end our own CAD-system.


Cheers

Bernd

[bhnautika]

Bernd I finally got your file into solidworks by filtering it through RhinoV2, exporting it as a IGES file for SW surfaces. There seems be two types of uses that we are talking about, the high end, needing as much information as possible for construction and manufacture or the other end that just want simple models to show layouts and for rendering. Also the difference between the need for solids over surfaces.

[bhnautika]

SamS Yes have used edrawings 3d fantastic on something’s not so good on others, trimmed nurbs don’t always make it.

[archnav.de]

Bernd I finally got your file into solidworks by filtering it through RhinoV2, exporting it as a IGES file for SW surfaces. There seems be two types of uses that we are talking about, the high end, needing as much information as possible for construction and manufacture or the other end that just want simple models to show layouts and for rendering. Also the difference between the need for solids over surfaces.

At the end there should be one model for the different uses. From my point of view is that a STEP AP214 file, involving surfaces, solids, assembly structure and so on.

In my case I have produced the .stp file with SolidWorks 2005 so I'm completly astonished, that you can't open it. This was never reported up to now. But never the less, in the case of SolidWorks you can try the .x_t file, because Parasolid is the Kernel of that CAD-system.

[archnav.de]

Here is an other 3D-Equipment catalogue for steering gears


http://www.archnav.de/HATLAPA_steering_gear-type_teleram_rev3__.pdf

Cheers

Bernd

[imrankhaled]

does any one has a 3d model of 750 bhp marine engine please mail me at imrankhaled@yahoo.com