Yachts from Russia and China

[carlsson]

We are looking for information on motor and sail yachts from Russia and China.

Particularly yacht builders.

Anyone on this forum that might be able to assist?

[kistinie]

This history is famous for trimaran lovers like me
Now this sabotage history is not to be considered as a general case.

http://www.steamradio.com/pipermail/multihulls/2005-May/021550.html

Vietnam is constructing Corsair tri i think, and it seems ok

[carlsson]

Thank you.

This history is famous for trimaran lovers like me
Now this sabotage history is not to be considered as a general case.

http://www.steamradio.com/pipermail/multihulls/2005-May/021550.html

Vietnam is constructing Corsair tri i think, and it seems ok

[kistinie]

speaking, i think Occidentals will work more easily with Russian than with Chinese for such projects.
Now human are all exception individuals, so in practice any figure case is possible.

Anyway, another important point is that creativity is deeply contradicted and shut down by lack of freedom.
Making a boat need a lot of creativity ...

[carlsson]

How about quality?

speaking, i think Occidentals will work more easily with Russian than with Chinese for such projects.
Now human are all exception individuals, so in practice any figure case is possible.

Anyway, another important point is that creativity is deeply contradicted and shut down by lack of freedom.
Making a boat need a lot of creativity ...

[kistinie]

China is able to reach the highest quality standards in any technology.
China is a space nation.

[carlsson]

Thanks.

We are propably going for a project around 60-70 feet. Sail yacht.

China is able to reach the highest quality standards in any technology.
China is a space nation.

[apex1]

Thanks.

We are propably going for a project around 60-70 feet. Sail yacht.

Do´nt go to China with such a project. They are NOT on the highest level by now. There are some nice yachts around that have been done to acceptable basic standards under European, American or Australian supervision, but ask the Supervisors, it´s been a pain in the bu..t. In Russia are two yards working to good standard level under German management, one in Moskow, the other in St. Petersburg. You may give them a try.
If you just want to save some labour cost go to Turkey. The quality is very high, the cost still much below Europe. I have my yards in Turkey and I know why, but do´nt make sailing yachts. If you need further assistance here in Turkey let me know, you´re welcome.
Btw. Maltese Falcon was built completely in Turkey under Perini Navi Supervision.

Regards
Richard

[kistinie]

If not a serie but a single unit, China will not have the best advantages to offer.
One off is an invention, invention requires freedom.

With such a size project sailing boat, you will quickly find new friends to help you ;)

Good luck !

[Alik]

If You are looking to build 60-70 footer maybe Nikolaev and Kherson (both in Ukraine) are the places to look at. Yards there are known to build few boats every year, mostly in steel and also in wood, good quality of finishing, manufacturers of deck hardware/sailing rig are available locally.

I am not aware about sailing yachts of this quality/size built in Russia.

China does no seem to be proper place for building custom sailboat even with supervision.

[RHP]

Hey I'm only a passenger here but I would suggest that Poland, Turkey or Latvia would be more suitable markets to source yachts.

[Alik]

Latvia? Never seen 60-70' boat built there...

[Landlubber]

Carlsson,

Unfortunately China is certainly not to be recommended for a large custom boat unless you have had much experience working both with them and the yard in particular.

I work there for a living, have been to many yards, so I am not just speaking out my bum.

In time there will probably be a chance, not yet i am sorry. Try getting any chandlery to suit a private yacht and you will see just one of the problems, basically it all has to be imported to control quality and supply, so no savings there anyhow.

Finish quality can be achieved, but I personally guarantee that you need full time supervision by people that have worked there before and can handle the "Asian ********" that will be an everday feature of life whilst the build goes on.

[RHP]

Latvia? Never seen 60-70' boat built there...

There's a yard thats made one-off cruising yachts for years out of Riga (I didnt realise we had to hit the magic 60'-70' foot criteria so specifically) and another I heard making 35' trimarans. If you have such experience you can tackle a bigger job.

[Alik]

35 trimarans? Yes, very famous. You mean this ones?
http://catri27.blogspot.com/
:D

[carlsson]

Thanks.
Do they have a website?

If You are looking to build 60-70 footer maybe Nikolaev and Kherson (both in Ukraine) are the places to look at. Yards there are known to build few boats every year, mostly in steel and also in wood, good quality of finishing, manufacturers of deck hardware/sailing rig are available locally.

I am not aware about sailing yachts of this quality/size built in Russia.

China does no seem to be proper place for building custom sailboat even with supervision.

[apex1]

Thanks.
Do they have a website?

Do´nt even play with that idea.
My friend Sasha (M-Sasha on the Forum) is building motoryachts in the Ukraine (he actually is my competitor that bastard), they are not good on sailing vessels. Poland is a different issue, they are better on sailing-, than on motorboats. (and quite good)
But believe me, it is much easier to get a good quality yacht build in Turkey where all the skills, suppliers and equipment are around since ages. Just in the neighbourhood of one of my yards are more than 200 boatbuilders! Not all at the same level naturally.

Regards
Richard

[Alik]

carlsson, see this:
http://lagoonroyal.com/en/

apex1:
which yard in Ukraine is that?

[carlsson]

Thank you.

carlsson, see this:
http://lagoonroyal.com/en/

apex1:
which yard in Ukraine is that?

[szkutnik]

The biggest SV Royal Clipper (133,22m) is build in Poland, so we are the best!
I am slowly going to that size.

szkutnik www.yacht-building.pl

[apex1]

The biggest SV Royal Clipper (133,22m) is build in Poland, so we are the best!
I am slowly going to that size.
szkutnik www.yacht-building.pl

Thats nice to know that you are on that way szkutnik. But was it clever to mention the complete desaster of building the "Royal Clipper"?
And some of the polish boatyards are not bad, but they are a universe away from the best.

Alik
Sasha is building as a contractor and I do´nt know if there are agreements of nondisclosure. So if he likes to show us a internetsite he should take the chance of free advertisement. I will not do so.

Regards
Richard

[MarijoV]

Would you consider checking out some of our yards in Croatia? Some great sailing vessels of this size, with more than a few circumnavigations were built here...

[szkutnik]

Thats nice to know that you are on that way szkutnik. But was it clever to mention the complete desaster of building the "Royal Clipper"?
And some of the polish boatyards are not bad, but they are a universe away from the best.

Alik
Sasha is building as a contractor and I do´nt know if there are agreements of nondisclosure. So if he likes to show us a internetsite he should take the chance of free advertisement. I will not do so.

Regards
Richard

Apex1, where is your sense of humor? It was a joke.

Yes some of polish boatyards are universe away from german.

http://www.sunreef-yachts.com/
http://www.delphiayachts.pl/index.php?akcja=art_gallery&art_id=364
and many others ;)

best regards
Marek

[Alik]

apex1:
With all respect, there are different yards in Germany also. My friend is fighting with one very reputable yard in for his brand-new 65'(?) sailboat with list of 14 serious problems. For instance, he had to replace all portlights and deck hatches becasue the ones installed on the yard have just separated from the hull and deck. The delivery is not signed by him for 6 months and he is heading to court now (that is right way).

This is just sample - nobody is perfect.

[apex1]

Ahh... my sense of humor is´nt that bad, take it with a grain of salt. And yes naturally, even the top yards sometimes make serious mistakes. We all know that. I think to remember that I was pointing towards the good quality of some polish yards, was´nt I?

And szkutnik I agree those two yards shown are ages away from top standard. And this was not ironic, that was the plain truth. Go through their pictures, you´ll see what I mean.
Regards
Richard