How can I make a gas engine run on WVO?

[confused]

I have been wonderin' how I can run a gasoline engine on wvo for a LOOOONNNGG time now. 1. It could save money. 2. It wouldn't make nasty smelling exhaust. 3. I was thinking about putting a 13 inch 50 lb flywheel on it to give it more torque. But, my only problem is, 'ow am I supposed to convert it to run on wvo?!

[confused]

I had several ideas that wouldn't work, but if someone could tell me 'ow to run a weedeater engine on wvo, that would be 'elpful. I know that hot-bulb engines are 2 stroke, and that the weedeater engine is 2 stroke, but what changes in the engine do I 'ave to make?

[apex1]

I have been wonderin' how I can run a gasoline engine on wvo ?!

NOT!...:(

You need a Diesel engine to convert to wvo!

Regards
Richard

[confused]

wat?! how come I can't make it run on wvo? what's keeping it from? If it has a cylinder, a crankshaft, a sparkplug, and all that other diddlecrap, then why not? I could start it on gas, then when it's hot, I could put in the wvo, then I could mix the wvo with alittle gas. Or I could fiddle with it, so when the fuel enters, it vaporizes, then when the piston turns once more, it ignites.

[robherc]

Sorry, I have to ask:

What's "WVO"?

[confused]

waste vegatable oil

[confused]

the stuff resturaunts throw out. they pay you to haul it away. It is the stuff they fry food in.

[robherc]

Hmmmm...I really don't see that burning FAST enough in a gasoline engine....it's a SLOOOOWW burning fuel. I'd guess that's why Richard told you you'd have to use a diesel engine; they're made to run at lower RPM speeds where they can actually burn the veg. oil. Also, with a gasoline engine, the "octane" level of the WVO could be too low, and cause a dieseling (compression combustion) reaction in the motor, which is one of the fastest ways to destroy a gasoline engine. In a diesel engine, this reaction is planned for & intentional, so it doesn't cause problems.

[confused]

I was planning on putting a 50 lb flywheel on it to give it a lower rpm. I guess that wasn't a good idea to run it on wvo.

[mydauphin]

You need higher compression.. And WVO is not best, better to convert to Biodiesel. You could get small engine with supercharger to help compression then run on a 50/50 mix gas with biodiesel. But honestly easier to go 90/10 regular biodiesel/diesel in a low tech mechanical diesel like Detroit Diesel. Let me know your results. I ran Ford Powerstroke on Biodiesel and wvo, had problem with fuel consistency. Went back to regular Diesel after cost of Bio went up. But truck actually ran best with 50/50 than any combination

[apex1]

You could get small engine with supercharger to help compression then run on a 50/50 mix gas with biodiesel.

We should not recommend such unreliable, dangerous, and ephemeral adventures to a very keen 13 year old boy experimenting with engines hat easily can be blown in parts!:!:
Not only my 0,02 €. I would take that for serious.
Regards
Richard

[robherc]

Very good point Richard, I hadn't recognized his name yet.

@confused:
Don't take Richard's comment as a slight, but DO listen to him on this one. With proper adult supervision and assistance, you should be able to convert a diesel motor for your purposes, but leave adults to risk their lives trying to convert gasoline engines, they VERY WELL may blow up and kill you if something, ANYTHING goes wrong.

[marshmat]

The weed whacker is probably a spark ignition 2-stroke with compression ratio of 7 to 9, using a carburetor for fuel delivery. If so, it will be designed to run on a fuel with specific gravity of approx. 0.71 to 0.77, heating value of 40 to 50 MJ/kg, certain requirements for boiling point, vapour pressure, etc. That is to say, gasoline or equivalent. If you feed it veggie oil, it will run very poorly or die.

No amount of mechanical tweaking that I would consider safe or smart will make a weed whacker run on veggie oil. As a general rule, converting an engine to run on a lighter fuel is usually possible, but converting it to run on a heavier fuel is extremely difficult.

If you could find a supercharger to fit your weed whacker, add heated fuel injection, and tweak a few internals, you could maybe get it to run. But more likely, you'd blow the head off or run a rod through the block. If you want to run WVO, what you need is a small, simple diesel. An old mechanical one, ideally, but you can use a more recent electronic one if you know how to reprogram ECUs.

Torque and power are determined by the design of the engine. A flywheel will let you play with time constants- ie, it would make it take longer to respond to a change in throttle or load- but will not increase torque or power, nor will it let you get the same power at lower RPM.

As Richard and Rob point out, safety is key. I should note that the experimental engine test cells in the campus lab are surrounded by 10 inches of reinforced concrete block wall, and the double wire-reinforced viewing windows are mounted in beefy steel frames, for exactly the reason Rob gives above.

[confused]

wow! so it might blow up, or shoot a rod! dang! I guess I need to think of safety...

[confused]

Tommorows my birthday. today, the steam engine came in the mail!

[apex1]

wow! so it might blow up, or shoot a rod! d---! I guess I need to think of safety...

Wise guy...................

[confused]

OK. I would like to know what all a weed eater engine can run on, at least without it blowing up or getting ruined. I was just curious.

[apex1]

OK. I would like to know what all a weed eater engine can run on, at least without it blowing up or getting ruined. I was just curious.
On gas Mike. 2 or 4 stroke run on gas, but I´m shure you know that.
Find yourself a small Diesel of about 100 to 200 cubic (ccm) they will work on Mc Donalds crap if filtered and preheated to about 50°C. Maybe you must add some amount of regular Dieseloil to get it running. Only trial and error gives the answer how much.
Regards
Regards

[confused]

Alright. And, I know that this is a BOAT designs forum, but do you think that a six hp gaso engine could pull a small airplane if it had a 3ft prop? (the airplane has a 16 ft span, it is 10ft long, and has a bamboo frame, and the frame is not covered and is 3ft tall at the front of the airplane, the only things that this airplane sucks up are; bamboo poles, two 10in tires, 1 small wooden seat back, and a cloth seat that is stretched between the frame, and the 6hp with a 3ft prop, and all the control wires and stuff, it is 2ft wide, NON covered frame, so It is just THE frame (which is also the body) with wings, engine&prop, and non retractable landing gear). Stands three feet, five in. at the top of the frame. I have been wanting to ask someone that for awhile. You might not know about that stuff, so ya don't have to answer. I estimate it to way 50lbs and under. I remember adding up the weight once.
Thanks-
Info hog

[robherc]

OK. I would like to know what all a weed eater engine can run on, at least without it blowing up or getting ruined. I was just curious.
With a little experimentation, you might be able to get the weed eater engine to run on Ethanol (E85 from the gas station), but it would probably need a different ratio of 2-cycle oil mixed in, and the fuel line might eventually become brittle & break, or start leaking. Other than that, I'd look for an engine designed for the fuel you're wanting to use.

[apex1]

Alright. And, I know that this is a BOAT designs forum, but do you think that a six hp gaso engine could pull a small airplane if it had a 3ft prop? (the airplane has a 16 ft span, it is 10ft long, and has a bamboo frame, and the frame is not covered and is 3ft tall at the front of the airplane, the only things that this airplane sucks up are; bamboo poles, two 10in tires, 1 small wooden seat back, and a cloth seat that is stretched between the frame, and the 6hp with a 3ft prop, and all the control wires and stuff, it is 2ft wide, NON covered frame, so It is just THE frame (which is also the body) with wings, engine&prop, and non retractable landing gear). Stands three feet, five in. at the top of the frame. I have been wanting to ask someone that for awhile. You might not know about that stuff, so ya don't have to answer. I estimate it to way 50lbs and under. I remember adding up the weight once.
Thanks-
Info hog
Yeah a 6 hp easily propels a UL plane of proper design.:)

[marshmat]

I've seen ultralights that size with less than 6 hp. They flew OK. But they were designed by folks with engineering degrees, a good grasp of math, and a decade or so of working for experienced experts.

Ok, so W. & O. Wright got a powered plane to fly, and they were just bike mechanics. Yes, but they first reviewed exactly what had gone wrong with dozens of previous attempts, built a wind tunnel to check their ideas, and crashed some obscene number of prototypes into the ground before they got one to work.

The point being.... engineering, whatever the field, is hard work, tedious work, and requires determination, effort, and a lot of research on what's been tried before. If you want to stray outside of what's commercially available and well proven, odds are you're going to break a few things, waste a few dollars, and make a few false starts. That's what experimentation is like- most of it doesn't work. If you're OK with that- then maybe in a few years you might find yourself in an engineering school :)

[apex1]

I've seen ultralights that size with less than 6 hp. They flew OK. But they were designed by folks with engineering degrees, a good grasp of math, and a decade or so of working for experienced experts.
Keywords!
Ok, so W. & O. Wright got a powered plane to fly, and they were just bike mechanics. Yes, but they first reviewed exactly what had gone wrong with dozens of previous attempts, built a wind tunnel to check their ideas, and crashed some obscene number of prototypes into the ground before they got one to work.
Dont forget those which were successful! Karl Jatho made the first motorflight in history at 18. August 1903 in Hannover Germany!
The point being.... engineering, whatever the field, is hard work, tedious work, and requires determination, effort, and a lot of research on what's been tried before. If you want to stray outside of what's commercially available and well proven, odds are you're going to break a few things, waste a few dollars, and make a few false starts. That's what experimentation is like- most of it doesn't work. If you're OK with that- then maybe in a few years you might find yourself in an engineering school :)

That was my idea too, that guy will not give up until he has found a way no one else has choosen! Right so, there are already too many of them believing Coca Cola were a divine drink and Mc Donald provided food!
Regards
Richard
Btw ....what I fly .... just 45 Hp:

[mydauphin]

When I answered Confused I didn't realized he was 13 years old. Being young and inexperience is not a bad thing, but you haven't learn yet the dangers of gasoline and flying pieces of steel.
When I was a young my dad used to clean engines parts with gasoline. One day he started a gas engines and didn't realize that the bucket was 15 feet away. The whole place almost ended in a cinder.Thankfully no one got hurt. If you ever work with gasoline do it in safe place. And be far enough away that if it blows via fire or mechanical explosion you will not end up missing parts of your body.

Start simple, like a chainsaw, lawnmower engine. Work on remote control planes.

Real planes are not a matter your knowledge or age but are better left to real professionals. May be one day you can become one. My nephew, 18, just soloed and is his getting his pilot license. He is also studying airplane mechanics.

Play, but remember you need professional training for some things and don't be afraid to ask for help or play it safe.

Remember, There are Bold pilots and OLD Pilots but there are no OLD BOLD Pilots.

[confused]

I got my steam engine today. I used sewing machine oil to lube it, it works great! I need an attachment for the inlet valve to fit the airtank hose though. I can get it to run on my breath for awhile, but I run out of air and it isn't enough pressure. Today is also my birthday. I didn't know you had an airplane apex! cool!
BTW, I know lots about airplanes, and I tested my span on a foil sim, and it could lift like 190 lbs at 15mph, and at 20, like 240lbs. I did the math, and it should work if I built it. I am also very interested in airplanes, and I know where to get the prop and pulleys and all the other crap I need.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/arrowpropul.php

[robherc]

What project is the steam (pneumatic, it sounds like) engine for confused?

[apex1]

I got my steam engine today. I used sewing machine oil to lube it, it works great! I need an attachment for the inlet valve to fit the airtank hose though. I can get it to run on my breath for awhile, but I run out of air and it isn't enough pressure. Today is also my birthday. I didn't know you had an airplane apex! cool!
BTW, I know lots about airplanes, and I tested my span on a foil sim, and it could lift like 190 lbs at 15mph, and at 20, like 240lbs. I did the math, and it should work if I built it. I am also very interested in airplanes, and I know where to get the prop and pulleys and all the other crap I need.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/arrowpropul.php

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MIKE ! ! ! ! ! !

I´ll reply later in deep!

[confused]

thanks! Ya know, I'll probably build an airplane if I stay out here in Nevada, where there are no nearby water sources. I could fly it out in the desert.
Here are the bamboo poles I would use. They are the pefect size for my airplane/ultralight! I got the ideas for my airplane from alberto santos dumont, he made the demoiselle out of bamboo poles and brass wire.

[apex1]

What project is the steam (pneumatic, it sounds like) engine for confused?

It´s like this one ROB:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Live-Steam-Marine-Engine-Fully-Machined-kit-2AM_W0QQitemZ130286756695QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item130286756695&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14

As I evaluate his projects this will be just the very first link in a long, long chain of future developments. But I´m shure this forum will assist further.

Regards
Richard

[confused]

It is that one exactly, I havn't painted it yet.

[robherc]

Hmmm...max safe working pressure 60 PSI...inlet threading 3/8x40. I bet with a 5 gallon air tank @ 100psi, a regulator set to 55psi, and a 1/4NPT to 3/8x40 adapter, he could power his boat project for a few minutes using this engine...with the benefit of being able to mount it at ANY ANGLE! ;)
(and it'd be a LOT safer than trying to home-cook a supercharged weed-eater engine on WVO conversion)
...biggest problem would be limited fuel from the air tank, so make sure you don't get too far from land & end up stranded...a paddle would be a GREAT backup plan...just in case. :cool:

[apex1]

Hmmm...max safe working pressure 60 PSI...inlet threading 3/8x40. I bet with a 5 gallon air tank @ 100psi, a regulator set to 55psi, and a 1/4NPT to 3/8x40 adapter, he could power his boat project for a few minutes using this engine...with the benefit of being able to mount it at ANY ANGLE! ;)
(and it'd be a LOT safer than trying to home-cook a supercharged weed-eater engine on WVO conversion)
...biggest problem would be limited fuel from the air tank, so make sure you don't get too far from land & end up stranded...a paddle would be a GREAT backup plan...just in case. :cool:

Nice input, but our young engineer is already some steps further towards a "steam to el. to prop" design" or maybe airplane instead. Fits better to Nevada. Plenty of empty over there. And look here:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/designing-boat-age-12-a-10068-11.html

[robherc]

True...I think I may have had him confused with our youn engineer in Ohio...the one who built the wooden box-boat to take out on Lake Erie...too many young engineers in here who're getting to do the creative things I only WISHED I could talk my parents into when I was younger!

[confused]

I had blueberry cobbler for my b-day. It was good! (It is good, I'm eating some (the rest) right now)

[apex1]

I had blueberry cobbler for my b-day. It was good! (It is good, I'm eating some (the rest) right now)

So, if you´re fed now, you can tellme wich one of the thousand possible plains it will be then.
this?
http://flashpages.prodigy.net/tojooes/LittleToot_files/littletoot.htm
that?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/kitspages/volksplanes.php
or:
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/
or even
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/kitspages/honeyBee.php
some prices:
http://www.helmuts-ul-seiten.de/verkauf1.htm
and my Kiebitz:
http://www.kiebitzflieger.de/

The Pegasus is a easy built, easy fly thingy............... in some five years maybe.

But dreaming is for free and it holds the world together.
Let´s have a picture of your steam engine if possible!
Kindest regards
Richard

[confused]

It is planes, not "plains", and I am going to custom build my airplane. by meself.. in me garage.. with me own two hands.. and the sweat of me brow.. and the cost of me money...
I'll post a picture of my steam engine soon as possible, probably sometime tomrrow.

[Frosty]

What a strange thread this is. Airplanes, triple expansion steam engines, weed eaters , E85 ???

E85 is only 85%--15% ethenol and will do no damage to an engine.

You cant make a 2 stroke run on waste cooking oil.

If you diluted it with 80% petrol it might run but run poor and get hot with poor power so whats the point.

Here comes the kid,--gonna re invent everything, we old codgers dont know nuffin.

He's gonna invent sex next week. Sigh--I was the same, If only we had hereditary intelligence.

I believe that the Wright brothers first engine plane was 6HP, not sure what help that will be but!! And 'no' is was'nt there.

[confused]

I see you changed your avatar...

[Frosty]

Good lad,--glad you are paying attention.

If you build a pane out of bamboo and garbage bin hinges and toilet lids for flaps you will not be able to fly it, not only because it probably wont but even in Nevada you will need a certificate to show it is capable of keeping altitude and not crashing into someones house.

If you dont do this you will be an expert on prison life, ---for a young person in America that will be eyebrow raising experience im sure.

Don't you have any older people around you that say things like,--"eh lad I wish you would learn from my mistakes"

[PAR]

The Wright brothers custom built, aluminum block engine was 12 HP. It was recently redone, by Ford motor company as part of the effort to reproduce the original Wright Flyer, the one that made the first powered, manned flights. They used the only drawing available and had to fabricate quite a bit as the plans were less then complete, but use the engineering solutions typical of the era. This (inspired) reproduction produced about 20 HP, suggesting that Ford had better balance and likely closer tolerances then the Wright flyer engine.

Just like boats, planes place people in an unnatural environment, from an engineering point of view. Flying along at 10,000' or sailing along many miles off shore has inherent dangers involved to the majority of designs lean toward the side of safety for the crews. This requires a fair bit more engineering skill then you currently have, but I suspect you'll keep your nose to the grind stone and get the education you need and prove to all that you can do these things.

I was once much like you, wishing and dreaming of flying and sailing machines of all sorts. I fortunately had an aptitude for the skill sets necessary to get through engineering courses. I do remember looking back and wincing, if for a moment about the wondrous ideas I had, before much of my education was completed.

Get your studies under you. Abstract algebraic problems are your friend and you should fell comfortable with them, a little trig, drafting skills, material studies and general engineering practices will set you on the path to big successes. Keep your energy up, your faith in yourself (one of the most important things), learn to be dogmatic in tracking down issues and finding solutions (this is what an engineer really does). Never forget your dreams and ideas, as some day you'll have the abilities and skill to carry them off.

[confused]

I ain't goin' to build my airplane out of trash, I am going to wait 'till I'm 18 and get my pilot's license. Then I am going to build a high quality, but cheap airplane. Well, I am going to own a 40' boat, and run a shipping service on the columbia river, and I'm gonna fly as a hobby. Also, as a second hobby, I will build boats.
looky here, I found an engine I might be able to use. No machining required. http://cgi.ebay.com/Live-Steam-Engine-Marine-Twin-FULLY-MACHINED-Kit_W0QQitemZ270344501416QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item270344501416&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

[robherc]

E85 is only 85%--15% ethenol and will do no damage to an engine.
If you meant 85% Ethanol, and 15% petrol, you're right...if you meant otherwise, trust me, it's what I just said (call me an "Ethanol Nut"). 99% of the time, no, it won't do any damage to an engine BUT if you have any natural-latex (rubber) fuel lines running TO your engine, it will make them brittle, and it can eat through them enough that they'll leak even before they crack.


....Other than that, we're mostly agreed ;)

[robherc]

Confused;

Yep, I was wondering if you'd seen the 2-piston version yet (I saw it from the link Richard posted). If you use a 2-piston engine with each piston the same size, and with the same stroke-length, you should expect to see about 1.75 to 1.9 times the horsepower and torque output from it, and it'll use about 2x the compressed air (or steam). That will make the engine viable for more powerful projects, but you'll want to be sure to have enough fuel for it. :cool:

[apex1]

It is planes, not "plains", and I am going to custom build my airplane. by meself.. in me garage.. with me own two hands.. and the sweat of me brow.. and the cost of me money...
I'll post a picture of my steam engine soon as possible, probably sometime tomrrow.

Yaahh, planes, plains and plans, the latter two you have enough. (and thanks for correcting me:D ).
Custom build yourself? That means YOUR design? No Mike, sorry, thats impossible. It is not difficult to "design" something that looks like a boat and carries a person (although this has nothing to do with Boatdesign), but building a airplane to your own sketches is not possible. (apart from FAA regulations)
It is complicated enough to diy to a proven (and licensed) design because one has to follow the plan extremely exact and has to use all the material and fixtures etc. mandatory, very accurate. The average "garage workshop" and average skills are usually not sufficient to make a PLANE you can get approval for.

Wright Flyer, the one that made the first powered, manned flights.


And Paul, Karl Jatho made the first manned motorflights in history 18.08.1903 in Germany. He did it sitting upright, he used a (especially for this purpose prepared) runway for powered flights. As such he can be regarded as the initiator of the world’s first airport too !;)
Regards
Richard

[robherc]

Wow, I bet THAT thing wouldn't get FAA clearance today! (of course, the Wright Flyer most likely would not either) :P

[confused]

Never heard of expiremental airplanes? that's what mines going to be. I actually copied the design from the demoiselle. And, frosty, what are ya talkin' about? I have NOT invented anything during my whole life and I don't expect to. and the reason I ask you for advice is because you are older, therefore more experienced than me, and probably smarter than me.

[apex1]

Never heard of expiremental airplanes? that's what mines going to be. I actually copied the design from the demoiselle. And, frosty, what are ya talkin' about? I have NOT invented anything during my whole life and I don't expect to. and the reason I ask you for advice is because you are older, therefore more experienced than me, and probably smarter than me.

Probably............... you have PM.

Regards
Richard

[confused]

I might be back today, but right now, I am watching a james bond movie, "a view to a kill." I'll ask my mom to take a picture of the steam engine, and I might have it posted today. I need batteries for my camera that I got for my birthday, so I can't take pictures.

[Jimbo1490]

Now he's playing with steam:eek:

Please be careful so you can celebrate the next birthday:rolleyes:

Jimbo

[Jimbo1490]

And Paul, Karl Jatho made the first manned motorflights in history 18.08.1903 in Germany. He did it sitting upright, he used a (especially for this purpose prepared) runway for powered flights. As such he can be regarded as the initiator of the world’s first airport too !;)
Regards
Richard

Please let's not forget this fellow, either:

http://gustavewhitehead.org/

Jimbo

[Frosty]

Chinese did it with a pot noodle and a kite 1630 and at 1700 --30 minutes later they did it again.

[confused]

Please let's not forget these fellows, either:

http://www.flyingmachines.org/
I got my steam engine running on a bicycle pump. Takes a lil' elbow grease to keep it running though.
Makes a loud hissing noise when I run it because the nozzle on the pump is to big for the inlet pipe.
pLEASE let's not really forget this guy:http://www.flyingmachines.org/ritch.html

[apex1]

Please let's not forget this fellow, either:
http://gustavewhitehead.org/
Jimbo


Right there have been people saying "Gustav Weisskopf" was the first, but they did never procure proper evidence. Other than Jatho.

To Frosty and Mike:
Manned Motorflight means a vehicle heavier than air and not driven by gas (hot air is a gas too), propelled by a engine wich is part of the apparatus.

Regards
Richard

and.. if we like to have a quiz? Who invented the Telephone? the light bulb? WRONG...

[confused]

LETS SEE> Telephone: samuel morse LIGHT BULB: Tom edison.
It's which, not wich.
Get rid of your tv.
you'll thank me when you don't have it
when digital transition happens.
Not kidding around.
MIKE

[robherc]

ummmm....no. You fell for the trap there, bud ;)

[apex1]

ummmm....no. You fell for the trap there, bud ;)

10 points Rob............................;)
And if he corrects me once again I´ll beg some friend over there to go out and kick his A....:idea:

And Mike.......... long before your parents met each other I told my children that the TV is the lantern that lights the idiots night!
that one between the ears....
Regards
Richard

[confused]

true! I hope we get rid of our tv soon, becuase I watched this one show, and I realized, why is the government so worried about the quality of our tv? Why? lets see... they used this weapon during the war of 9/11 or around there, it emitted some sort of signal, and ALL of the isrealies in the building or whatever it was came out with their hands up, and they surrendered without firing a shot! well, that show I mentioned said that the digitial transition will control your mind, either that, or it will make you surrender to the government like those israelies!
There are prison camps in america. I will post a link, about the location of those prison camps and why they have them.

[apex1]

true! I hope we get rid of our tv soon, becuase I watched this one show, and I realized, why is the government so worried about the quality of our tv? Why? lets see... they used this weapon during the war of 9/11 or around there, it emitted some sort of signal, and ALL of the isrealies in the building or whatever it was came out with their hands up, and they surrendered without firing a shot! well, that show I mentioned said that the digitial transition will control your mind, either that, or it will make you surrender to the government like those israelies!
There are prison camps in america. I will post a link, about the location of those prison camps and why they have them.


Nahh, please..................... have some mercy. And do not make this another drivel thread. please.

[confused]

http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentration_camp-locations.htm
Prison camps are for people who are "quarintined," or they refused to get microchips, aka the mark of the beast. There are prison camps where I live. Click on the link, scroll down, and it will tell you where they are.
Watch the video.
If you don't believe me, you'll see man. You'll see.
Mike

Well this thread failed it's purpose anyway.

[apex1]

http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentration_camp-locations.htm
Prison camps are for people who are "quarintined," or they refused to get microchips, aka the mark of the beast. There are prison camps where I live. Click on the link, scroll down, and it will tell you where they are.
Watch the video.
If you don't believe me, you'll see man. You'll see.
Mike


Sorry Mike, my friend, I know that since long, that was one of the reasons I told you I´ll never again visit the Un united States of half of north America.
Democracy is quite another thing.
And I know why I go with almost all your phantasies till the end. Be what you are, searching for the different solution, do´nt believe the rubbish they tell you on TV, and stand upright if it comes to inhumane treatments, do not accept that.
You might not reinvent the wheel, but if you are willing to think different, as you have proven here, it may happen that we learn from you tomorrow. At least our children.
Regards
R.

[confused]

Sorry Mike, my friend, I know that since long, that was one of the reasons I told you I´ll never again visit the Un united States of half of north America.
Democracy is quite another thing.
And I know why I go with almost all your phantasies till the end. Be what you are, searching for the different solution, do´nt believe the rubbish they tell you on TV, and stand upright if it comes to inhumane treatments, do not accept that.
You might not reinvent the wheel, but if you are willing to think different, as you have proven here, it may happen that we learn from you tomorrow. At least our children.
Regards
R.

What do ya mean, "Reinvent the wheel?"
I get thrown, I don't stay "throwed" for long.
If it comes to inhumane treatment, I will do
whatever it takes to get away from
America.
MIKE

[robherc]

OK , confused, now I'm really going to have to set into you for a second.
Please do note the "Location: Germany" at the top, right-hand corner of every one of Richard's posts...then QUIT CORRECTING A GERMAN for grammatical errors in ENGLISH, it's not his first (and may not even be his second) language! If we were having this conversation in German, i'm QUITE sure that your grammar would be FAR worse!

[confused]

right. I see. sorry 'bout that apex.
I don't get the world.
How can I have more torque than
a 1hp engine?
HP is MADE OF TORQUE.
I don't have 1hp, or do I?
What I mean is if I took
a 1hp engine, and used it
to power my bike, it would
SUCK. I can power my bike
with ease.
The world is confusing.
My bike is not a changeable gear bike either.

mike

[apex1]

What do ya mean, "Reinvent the wheel?"
I get thrown, I don't stay "throwed" for long.
If it comes to inhumane treatment, I will do
whatever it takes to get away from
America.
MIKE

last time you tried to correct me:o

[apex1]

right. I see. sorry 'bout that apex.
I don't get the world.
How can I have more torque than
a 1hp engine?
HP is MADE OF TORQUE.
I don't have 1hp, or do I?
What I mean is if I took
a 1hp engine, and used it
to power my bike, it would
SUCK. I can power my bike
with ease.
The world is confusing.
My bike is not a changeable gear bike either.
mike
Sorry Michael, did not see that post.
Has nothing to do with reinventing the wheel... just try... I totally agree with you, not to follow the old path (ahh we did it alltimes like that).

You cannot have more torque than the engine can provide, nor more power in hp or kw, that is a written law! A law of nature.......
You can transmit the given power in different ways, which can be a solution?
More torque at less power (and vice versa).
But your engine (the birthday gift?) has about 200 to 400 w that is almost less than half a hp max.
I am willing to design a affordable boiler for you, if you are willing to make the boaring engineering yourself!
Means, I grant you access to a proper CAD program, you study that, get firm with it, and follow my advice!
Then, beg steel or borrow the crap to do a (safe) boiler and solder it yourself!
It is not so difficult as a layman thinks it is.
OK?

[confused]

I have a soldering iron. Everything should work out. I am willing to do the "boaring engineering myself," I guess as long as I have a cad.
I need 2 more tin cans though, and I need your advice most of all.
What type of solder wire should I use?
what's the best way I can safely cut a hole thru the boiler for the smoke stack?

[apex1]

I have a soldering iron. Everything should work out. I am willing to do the "boaring engineering myself," I guess as long as I have a cad.
I need 2 more tin cans though, and I need your advice most of all.
What type of solder wire should I use?
what's the best way I can safely cut a hole thru the boiler for the smoke stack?

Ahh. yavas avas, the Turks say. slowly, slowly dear friend. First we start to learn the CAD stuff. That takes at least 4 weeks (you´re a bright one, otherwise 8 month). then we do our first attempt to destroy the hardware! And be shure we will........
It is not so really sort of, say correct, to grant you access to the software, cause you are neither student, nor a University, but (if my fellow members agree to make a sort of state of crisis) I´ll give you the software through PM.
I want at least one of our members to agree or disagree, here in the open.
Then, my young fellow, the harder side of the road appears.:D
Stand it.
Regards
Richard
btw: telephone and light bulb?:idea:

Regards
Richard

[apex1]

apex1 is right you need a Diesel engine to convert to wvo!

He did not know that I was right, before your post popped up... ähh.. I´m shure.

[robherc]

It is not so really sort of, say correct, to grant you access to the software, cause you are neither student, nor a University, but (if my fellow members agree to make a sort of state of crisis) I´ll give you the software through PM.
I want at least one of our members to agree or disagree, here in the open.
Then, my young fellow, the harder side of the road appears.:D

I'd say he looks like YOUR engineering student to me...that qualifies it enough IMHO. :cool:

[apex1]

I'd say he looks like YOUR engineering student to me...that qualifies it enough IMHO. :cool:

OK... got it............
even if the 0,02$ is´nt worth talking:D
just my 0,02€
love it or leave it.
and good night ......it´s 4 o clock here...

[confused]

I also need a presure gauge. My dad has one on a can of freon gas, but he said that the can ain't empty yet so I'll just buy one for the heck of it.
I think I might mix some charcoal with wood in the boiler, then when the fire's going, I just use wood since it burns slower.

[confused]

4:00? a.m or p.m? probably a.m where he lives. When he said that it's 4 o' clock where he lives, it was about 7:00 p.m where I live. big time differance.
The latest I've stayed up is about 2:00 a.m. Ha! good night! more like good very early morning!

[confused]

yes. That's why I'm going to use it.

[apex1]

yes. That's why I'm going to use it.

Its easier to ignite small branches of wood than charcoal, save the money (Daddy´s). Just use several pages of newspaper. The draft in your chimney has to be high so the wood always ignites easily. Find out if you have access to some pitcoal (lays around often in the backyard of your fuel oil suppliers if they sold it in the past, they give it for free).
I have to design the boiler to the fuel given, and pitcoal is the far better (and lighter).
Do you have friendly blacksmith next door? The most important man for you, from now on.
Regards
Richard

[confused]

I know how to make a high draft in the chimney, all I need is to put the exhaust pipe through the chimney so it's pointing upward, and the exshaust steam will suck it out.

[apex1]

I know how to make a high draft in the chimney, all I need is to put the exhaust pipe through the chimney so it's pointing upward, and the exshaust steam will suck it out.

Not wrong, but the draft has to be high to get your fire running, the steam exhaust does just add to it at higher speeds (higher amounts of burning fuel).
But another issue, if you are planning to use the launch in sweetwater ONLY, everything is ok. If you move towards the coast, we have to design a condenser engine plant! That makes all the stuff much more difficult. And nothing is with exhaust steam.
If you gave up the Mc Donalds fuel idea, lets move to your new thread.
R.

[confused]

o.k, but let me get this straight. I am ONLY going to use my boat in freshwater canals. If I get the house I think that we are going to get, we will have a canal behind our house, and I could use my boat in that after it rains, It's more like a ditch though.

[thudpucker]

During WWII my dad used to cut his gas with Kerosine. They couldnt get gas.
So the oppisite might work althoug it's not likely to be pretty and will be pretty smelly for certain.
Cut your WVO with gas. Try a little bit of that in your weed eater.
When you see the smoke, you'll have your answer.
Dont run it for more than a few seconds though. The Diesel, cut with Gas wont lube the lower end very well at all.

There was a Diesel, (Hall-Scott) that started on Gas, warmed up, and then they used the diesel. It wasnt much fun to get going or maintain, but it ran OK after it was on the diesel and running up to temp.

The long and short of it is; it wont work. It was a good idea, but wont work.

[marshmat]

Interesting to note, on the same theme as thudpucker is going here... cetane number and octane number tend to be inversely correlated; ie. a fuel that works well in a diesel engine will be an absolute disaster in a spark-ignition engine, and vice versa.

[Frosty]

Vw did it 40 years ago, it was more a spark assisted diesel. Did'nt catch on.

From my own opinion the compression ratio would have to be high but not high enough to cause detonation. A spark assist would cause the detonation . However the temperature of the engine would be critical keeping the combustion chamber just below detonation.

A petrol fuel injection would be a good base engine. The early Bosch fuel injection on Mercedes was an in line pump like a diesel.

A more modern system would need delivery pressure boosting to handle the viscosity of the fuel, not to mention a very early injection timing.

On the other hand a CI injection system such as the K tronic or the J tronic mighyt do well --IF the fuel delivery pressure could be boosted.

Interesting experiment.

Old low comp cars could run of parrafin if it was started on petrol and the parrafin heated first,--usually by wrapping the fuel delivery pipe around the exhaust. Ive seen fuel heaters on Ebay.

War time stuff,-- necessity is the mother of inventions.


Sometimes I wish I lived in a breakers yard.

[thudpucker]

Right on, both of you.
The worst problem with SVO is the viscosity is right up there with Tar or Crude. It also has to be filtered pretty fine or the 'chunks' leftover from the Food operation will plug anything.
Also from one minute to the next the viscosity (thickness) of that stuff changes.

Veggie oil is called Lipids by Chemists. That means the oil comes in a little capsule similar to Fish Oil tablets.
That Capsule has to be "Washed" out, leaving real burnable Diesel oil or it wont work in a diesel engine.

I told the young guy wrong when I suggested trying it in his weed eater. A single cylinder Briggs Four stroke would be a better test platform.

But when he sees the awsome volume of dark blue/grey smoke he's gonna produce, he'll quit soon enough.

[powerabout]

why dont we just stop frying food?

[thudpucker]

LOL, good one!
A better way is "Algae Diesel" but in the end, powerboats statment is the right one. "...we are not..."
We answerd the kid's question as best we could. Without our R&D department in attendence we can go no further with this one.

[mark775]

Re: Jatho...And Hiram Maxim, and others. If the guy's two brother's and two best friends decades later claim Jatho made a sustained 60 meter flight with non-airfoil wings, even tho, read elsewhere, it was 8 meters, (these can best be described as a "hop", using speed and a bump in the field to glide a ways in a Zanonia seed with an engine), and even tho there are no extant photos not "preserved" so as to be rendered unobservable, I believe them! The Wrights made a 40 meter "flight", too but the one claimed as first "controlled", or "sustained" flight was 250 meters. Fact of the matter is that these guys were all braver and smarter than me - especially Maxim and I applaud them.
Confused kid, are you really not a kid, at all? If so, why would you disrespectfully question the spelling of an adult? When your grandiose dreams and cocksure nature are tempered by education and battles of life won and lost then you have a right to (I hope respectfully) critique others. Not until you acheive age and enlarged Skene's gland (see if he catches that one) can you elevate to arrogant and "grumpier".

[Rangerspeedboat]

I dont think that WVO will run in a gas engine, however, if filtered it will run in a diesel with no mods. See here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEX1YFXYTdI

[Frosty]

Maybe it could run on hot air?, just plug in into Marks mouth, tee hee

[mongo75]

How did you even think that oil would burn in a gas engine???? I got a F-350 7.3 diesel truck. I have run diesel, JP8, B100 (100% biodiesel), used engine oil (not recommended) tranny fluid, two stroke oil, and wvo (filtered to 1 micron) at about 1 gallon to 45 gallons. In order to safely run wvo in a diesel, you need to heat it prior to it hitting the injectors. AND you need to start the engine and shut the engine off on diesel, otherwise in short time you'll cause excessive coking of the pistons and on the injectors, which means you won't be running anymore. Some do run straight wvo in older Mercedes because the bosch injector pumps and older injectors can handle running wvo, but those vehicles are the exception to the rule. THere is no way a spark will ignite oil in a low compression gas engine. Oil burners are compression engines that bring the cylinder air temp up to about 400* before even injecting fuel, so it ignites instantly. Gas engines can not raise the cyl air temp that high.